American Express USA bans card churning …. UK to follow?

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• needroos says:

  27 Mar27 March 20:40

  Sorry for the off topic Q: If I recall correctly some people were mentioning that you can now use CX Gold to use fast track security at T5. Is that only at T5 or can I use it at T4?

  • Polly says:

    27 Mar27 March 21:38

    Your BP has to be coded, they forgot to do mine in t4 the other day so was turned back from an empty track! Not nice, so make sure you ask at check in, worth a try. I was on QR.

  • CV says:

    27 Mar27 March 21:59

    I recently had a boarding pass which showed no status on it, but just showed my CX Gold card and went through fast track without comment, this was at T5.

    If using Fast Track at T5, use the south security and keep to the far right line, it is actually quite fast.

    • needroos says:

      27 Mar27 March 22:40

      Thanks for the feedback, will give it a go and report back…

    • Josh says:

      27 Mar27 March 22:47

      I’ve breezed straight through fast track – with a status-less companion – just by showing my CX Gold luggage tag. Ditto boarding, actually

    • Alan says:

      28 Mar28 March 11:33

      I’m not convinced the IT system at LHR even checks properly for Fast Track eligibility – I was guesting someone through last week but the system let us both through without an issue and I’d never said to anyone I was guesting them in!

      • Needroos says:

        28 Mar28 March 18:16

        No joy, QR did not give me an invite for Fast Track and neither did they accept the Gold Card CX at Fast Track entry either

        • Polly says:

          28 Mar28 March 20:04

          That’s what I mentioned above, weird sit… Annoying as fast track was v empty, chap wouldn’t let me though, said take it up with your airline, as if we could be bothered at that point. Think it depends who is guarding the gate, they love the power of refusing us!

        • SQUILLS says:

          28 Mar28 March 22:02

          I have often waggled my library card at Fast Track and they just wave e through 😉

• Graeme says:

  28 Mar28 March 09:23

  I think for those of us more casual collectors (ie. those mentioned above who don’t travel for work), the biggest loss will be the BA 2-4-1. I haven’t churned a card yet, so I suppose I’ll be disappointed to miss out on that.

  Still, I’ve got a lot out of this, on my own initially, and then through using the excellent advice/ideas on here. For all the travelling I’ve done in my life, I’ve never travelled in First Class – but thanks to HfP, I’ve got my first First Class experience coming up in June. Can’t wait (and also need advice on how to make the most of it!).

  • Rob says:

    28 Mar28 March 09:55

    Exactly. Most people forget what an incredibly valuable perk the Amex 241 is. THIS is the thing that needs protecting!

    • Martin says:

      28 Mar28 March 10:11

      You don’t need to be churning to get the 2-4-1, unless BA move from amex (ie to MBNA as they are touting for it) the 2-4-1 would be unaffected by Amex potentially stopping new card sign up bonuses

      • Graeme says:

        28 Mar28 March 14:34

        You don’t need to churn to get it, but you do need to churn to get it more than once!

        • Martin says:

          28 Mar28 March 15:08

          Not at all, spend 10k a year and you’ll get it every year

        • Polly says:

          28 Mar28 March 15:33

          Think they mean keep churning annually with a partner and get the bonus points plus your new 241

        • Trevor says:

          28 Mar28 March 15:51

          Yup, 2-4-1 fairly pointless if you don’t even have enough points for 1 cos there aren’t any bonuses available. You going to have to spend a lot more than £10k to get enough points to go anywhere more than an hour away, or be doing lots of flights which most people won’t be, certainly if they are footing the bill. So back to my original response, for the collector who doesn’t fly much except on redemptions, it woul dbe game over, and the 2-4-1 which I already find over-rated would prove useless.

        • Martin says:

          28 Mar28 March 15:57

          Fair point, my response was aimed at the thought that you need to churn to get the 2-4-1 which is not true but using it when you only fly a few times a year is another matter I suppose

        • Graeme says:

          29 Mar29 March 00:30

          No, I was under the impression that it was a one-off perk! Blow me down. I haven’t quite hit the £10k spend yet so hadn’t read into it fully, but I had assumed it was a one-off bonus.

          Educated yet again by HfP!

    • Alan says:

      28 Mar28 March 11:37

      It’s an OK perk in my view – obviously of little use for those without partners and restricted to BA-metal only. I’ve still found UuA to be potentially more valuable as thanks to the underlying WTP cash fare you still earn some TPs (with 20TP each way on domestic connections), it hardly costs hardly any Avios when you factor in your Silver or Gold tier bonus, and the cost is often not that much more than a straight redemption given the amount of taxes/fees involved.

  • CV says:

    28 Mar28 March 10:26

    Yup, those that have the 2-4-1 are better shielded from any reduction in points earning opportunities. When I first started collecting last year my target was to get 80,000 avios per year and combine with the 2-4-1 voucher for an annual trip in Biz class to NYC. However my forecast for points earning was a bit low! Having already earned and redeemed about 150,000 points just with Avios, and just as many in reserve, if earning opportunities were cut back then the 2-4-1 would still keep me in the game (subject to BA reward availability, which at the moment is very poor).

  • Polly says:

    28 Mar28 March 15:28

    Make sure you get to the lounge early, have a facial! Lot of fun! And really enjoy! ESP enjoy the fab champagne! Am jealous….

• olybeast says:

  28 Mar28 March 14:31

  This would be a game changer for points collecting in my opinion.

• Mr Bridge says:

  29 Mar29 March 05:49

  all companies that have offers that work on averages, or budgets
  as long as take ups fit the criteria the companies are all happy.
  they expect to win more hands than they lose

  • Mr Bridge says:

    29 Mar29 March 05:52

    with the dan brown books, tesco were probably given a budget by the publisher to promote the books, when thats spent you would expect the offer to drop pout

• Georgie says:

  29 Mar29 March 11:14

  The 2 4 1 is a bit of a red hearing on this thread. The game changer would be doing away with the sigh up bonus on churning. Not much use in a 2 4 1 if you have few miles. Plus you need to spend either £10,000 or £20,000 to get it each year. Hardly worth it if you only have enough miles for a reward saver to Europe

  • CV says:

    29 Mar29 March 15:19

    Between Amex spend, Tesco points and conversion bonuses it would still be possible to rack up enough points (say 80K avios) to allow a 2-4-1 redemption long haul. So the target is then to earn 80K instead of 160K for 2 pax to travel.

    But even if its not possible to earn so much in one year then remember the voucher is valid for a couple of years, and avios points don’t expire – so still a great perk for a longer term strategy. My issue with the 2-4-1 voucher is the complete lack of redemption availability with BA even looking many months ahead.

• Georgie says:

  30 Mar30 March 20:03

  Lol what conversion bonuses ? They are as rare as availability.

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