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Curve Card and its new ‘acceptable use’ policy

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card is an innovative new payment card which is currently in beta mode.  I reviewed the Curve card in detail here but, put simply:

branded as a MasterCard, it allows you to recharge transactions to an American Express card – great for places where Amex is not accepted

when used abroad, it only levies a 1% FX fee (compared to 3% on 99% of UK credit and debit cards) and recharges the amount to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard

when used in an ATM, it recharges the withdrawal to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard and treats that transaction as a purchase for the purpose of earning points and counting towards BA Amex 241 vouchers etc

Curve was launched with a caveat that all transactions would be subject to a ‘fair use’ policy which was undefined.

Curve prepaid MasterCard

A policy on ATM withdrawals has recently appeared on its website:

At Curve we want to be your gateway to everything money giving you more choice and saving you money. However there are certain services which are high risk for Curve and/or expensive for Curve to provide due to third party fees. For these services we have a monthly free usage limit which if passed will result in a small but fair fee to cover costs. This helps keep Curve free to use for the majority of our users.

ATM Withdrawals from credit cards

You can withdrawal up to £200 (or currency equivalent) for free using your American Express or other credit cards per calendar month after which there is a 2% charge. This limit does not apply to ATM debit card withdrawals. Furthermore any behaviour which Curve deems to be “cash recycling” whereby high volumes of cash are taken out of an ATM using a credit card and then used to repay the credit card in order to gain rewards on the funding card or Curve Rewards is not permitted. Such behaviour may result in your Curve account being blocked or cancelled. See Section 6 of Curve Terms and Conditions for further information.

Our platform uses third party systems to identify whether the Funding Source is a debit or credit card. If you believe your card has been incorrectly defined you should contact us where you will be required to provide evidence as such in order for your case to be investigated.

ATM domestic withdrawal frequency

ATM usage is free for up to 10 domestic (withdrawals in the same currency as your Funding Source) withdrawals per month after which time you may be charged £0.50 (or currency equivalent) per usage for each additional ATM withdrawal.

It is worth noting that this new policy should not apply to anyone who applied for a Curve card before last Friday.

The Curve terms and conditions state the following:

1.10 Amendments to this Agreement. We may at any time amend, delete or add to this Agreement, including the Fees and other amounts which apply to your Account (as set out in Schedule 1) (a “Change”) by giving notice of such Change by posting a revised version of this Agreement on the Curve website(s). A Change will be made unilaterally by us and you will be deemed to have accepted the Change after you have received notice of it. We will give you 2 months’ notice of any Change with the Change taking effect once the 2 month notice period has passed, except the 2 month notice period will not apply where a Change is required by law or relates to the addition of a new service, extra functionality to the existing Service or any other change which neither reduces your rights nor increases your responsibilities. In such instances, the Change will be made without prior notice to you and shall be effective immediately.

As this is clearly a change in the fees levied, it requires 2 months notice to be given if you applied before Friday.  I have not been charged for a cash withdrawal over the weekend so they appear to be working to this.

Let’s look at where this leaves you with Curve

Under the new rules, you can withdraw – for free – £2,400 per year from an ATM to be recharged to a credit card.  Let’s assume that you use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express.

£2,400 will cover 24% of the £10,000 of spend required each year to trigger your 2-4-1 voucher – that is a meaningful contribution

You will earn 3,600 Avios per year which you would not otherwise earn

You also have the other benefits of the card:

Being able to recharge purchases at establishments which do not accept American Express to an American Express

Being able to make overseas transactions for a 1% foreign exchange fee, compared with 3% charged by almost all other cards.  Even if you have a credit card with 0% foreign exchange fees (Post Office Platinum, Halifax Clarity) you may be better off paying Curve 1% and earning the rewards on the underlying card.

The 2% credit card ATM fee may be worth paying

It may even be worth paying Curve’s 2% fee to make additional ATM withdrawals – whilst being aware of the ‘recycling’ rule.

Again, lets use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express as an example.  Withdraw £100 on Curve and you earn 150 Avios for a £2 fee.  At 1.33p each that is not a great deal, of course.  However, it also moves you £100 closer to your next 2-4-1- voucher.  A lot of people will find an acceptable trade off.

Curve is still a ‘work in progress’ and I doubt we have seen the last of the changes to their model.  Given that the Travelex Supercard will be relaunching at the end of the year – presumably still with 0% FX fees, still allowing overseas transactions to be recharged to a Visa or MasterCard (not an Amex) and still with no annual fee – Curve needs to offer substantially more than Supercard to justify the £35 fee and the 1% FX margin.

Full details of how to apply are in my original article.


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Comments (399)

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  • sprout7 says:

    “As this is clearly a change in the fees levied, it requires 2 months notice to be given if you applied before Friday”.

    I applied for a card some time ago and got the e-mail stating its now been dispatched. Does the statement above mean that we have now BEEN given 2 months notice that the terms have been changed so we can continue to withdraw cash without being subject to the new terms for the 2 months. Or will we receive a formal notification at some point giving us 2 months notice from that date?

  • Ken says:

    I’m a bit annoyed at these changes but can hardly claim that it wasn’t expected. Their original plan was simply unsustainable insofar as permitting £2,000 cash withdrawals per day (stated in their email to me before I received the card). £200 per month is a bit restrictive so I guess my main usage of this card will now be for when a place doesn’t accept Amex.
    Incidentally, I’m currently in Uganda and have yet to find a single cash machine that will accept the Curve, including Barclays. So, in that respect, it’s currently useless. Would you believe also that my Supercard was cancelled three days before I left the UK due to a series of unidentified transactions. “New on in the post”, they tell me, but that’s not a lot of use when I have left before it arrives. As for my Santander Zero, likewise, no bank whatsoever will accept it.

    • BP says:

      I’ve used my Santander Zero all over the world. Supercard has been great too!

      • James S says:

        I’ve found Stanbic’s in Uganda are most reliable nowadays. Barclays UG charge extra fees nowadays.

  • Steve says:

    If I want to put a £14k transaction on the curve to put that spend onto Amex?

    Would I call Amex to pre-clear the large transaction to make sure it goes through or call Curve….. or call both.

    Any opinions please?

    • Bob says:

      Don’t know if it’s a general condition to all but mine says max 2000 per month?

    • James says:

      Neither I would have thought seen as the max monthly transaction for most people (I assume you are included in that) is £5,000?

      • Steve says:

        Wow, never noticed that £5000 – for business owners who this card is targeted at could do that many time over

        • Bob says:

          I seem to think the limit will rise with correct usage it’s hopefully just a starting point.

          • N1David says:

            It will rise with usage but according to the website it will max out at:
            £3500 max per transaction or per day
            £20,000 max per month
            £100,000 max per year
            which is not a lot of use to pay tax bills etc!

        • Yuff says:

          I thought it as £5000 per linked card?

    • Ken says:

      Curve don’t provide a telephone number to speak to them. The only number on the card is for reporting it lost or stolen – and nothing else, apparently.

      • N1David says:

        On the little “Need help?” card that comes with the Curve card it quotes 020 3322 2585 as a contact number.

    • Will says:

      I tried high value spends with the traveled supercard and it was travelex, not mbna, that refused to process it.

  • James says:

    As with anything in life, and as this thread seem to reflect, YMMV.

    Some people (like myself) don’t spend a vast amount overseas but get frustrated at the lack of acceptance of Amex in some places. Case in point above with the chap who used his card to spend at his golf club. I’ve been using mine for a few days now and not had any issues and it’s great to not have to think about whether that shop/website/pub accepts Amex. I’ve very happy with the card.

    • Lewis says:

      Exactly the same with me! Use it at lidl, local pubs, bars. Great to be able to hit my 2-4-1 voucher now because of it 🙂

  • Alan says:

    They put my order on hold after saying without an iOS device it was impossible to change funding source – they promised there would be no detriment to not getting the card at the start although if they keep this disparity between original and new applications this may not be the case. I’d challenge them on that although I’m also glad in a way as the black card (even with the wallet) is looking even poorer value now!

  • Will says:

    Off on Honeymoon to the US soon and have curve ready, applied ages ago. Do I realistically need to worry about the new £200 cash withdrawal limit overseas or not?
    Is there a single transaction limit? My alternative is just to use an Amex Platinum and some hotel bills will be over 2k for sure.

  • Colin MacKinnon says:

    Use Curve at your peril!

    Online transactions come up as “failed” – but still get processed off your Amex. So you end up owing Amex the cash.

    Think: it has failed, I will try again, and you get two charges on your Amex.

    It is a mess – and a 5k a month (and 2k a day) limit for a business means it is limited to incidentals like petrol and meals. How do I pay business rates/insurance/tax etc!

  • Nick M says:

    I registered mine yesterday… Experience so far – cash withdrawal worked without any issue. In store transaction declined and then worked when I retried… Only the successful transaction is showing in the Curve app, however my Amex statement is showing 3 pending transactions (in addition to the cash withdrawal)…

    On the assumption that two of these fall away it isn’t an issue with low amounts on a charge card but if it was a higher transactions on a credit or debit card this could cause serious issues. Although won’t be impressed if I then need to monitor my linked card statements carefully to check that everything falls off correctly

    • Lewis says:

      Had the same recently when contactless transactions fail. You won’t need to keep an eye on these sort as they never go through in my experience.

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