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Flybe to start Avios-earning services to Heathrow in March 2017?

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According to reports in The Scotsman, Flybe is about to announce flights to Heathrow from Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

This is not as crazy as you might think, because the cost to Flybe is limited.

We need to go back to the acquisition of bmi British Midland by British Airways in 2012.  As part of the competition remedies put in place at the time, BA had to make certain Heathrow landing and take-off slots available to allow competing services to launch to Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

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Virgin picked up these slots and launched its ill-fated Little Red services.  These were well-run flights (I reviewed one here) but hampered by the costs of wet-leasing aircraft and crew from Aer Lingus.  A lot of the passengers towards the end were Head for Points readers who were attracted by being able to status match their BA card to Virgin Flying Club if they took one Little Red flight ……

Little Red was closed last Autumn.  The Heathrow slots reverted to British Airways but had to be made available if a new competitor came forward who wanted to run flights from Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen.  And here comes Flybe …..

If the reports are accurate, the Flybe services will begin in March 2017.  The Little Red flights went from Terminal 2 at Heathrow and it is likely that the Flybe services will go there – which means that the excellent Plaza Premium departure lounge will be available for anyone with a Priority Pass.  Only Terminal 2 and Terminal 5 are set up to cater for domestic passengers.

Don’t forget that you will be able to earn and redeem Avios on these services as Flybe uses Avios as its loyalty programme.  Because Flybe awards Avios based on £ spent, it is likely that non-status BA passengers would earn more Avios on pricey peak time flights on Flybe than they would on BA …..  This article outlines how to earn and spend Avios on Flybe.

Can Flybe make a go of this where Virgin failed?

It is possible they don’t care.  Here’s why.

This is what the European Commission said when it ruled on the BA / bmi divestments originally:

As a general rule, the slots obtained by a prospective entrant must be operated on the city pair(s) for which they have been requested from IAG and cannot be used on another city pair unless the prospective entrant has operated them during at least six full consecutive IATA seasons (“the Utilisation Period”). The prospective entrant would be deemed to have grandfathering rights for the slots once appropriate use of the slots has been made on the city pairs at issue, for the Utilisation Period. Once the Utilisation Period has elapsed, the prospective entrant would be entitled to use the slots obtained on the basis of the Commitments exclusively to operate services on any route connecting London with any other part of Europe (including Aberdeen and Edinburgh), or on London-Moscow, London-Cairo and London-Riyadh.

Assuming that the above rules are still in place, if Flybe runs these services for three years it can close down the routes and retain the slots.  These slots could only be used for flights to Europe, Moscow, Cairo or Riyadh which is why Virgin did not bother to stick it out.

For Flybe, however, the attraction of being able to pick up some very valuable Heathrow slots  and being able to cherry pick which European cities it flies to (once the three years is up) may have been too good to resist.

Comments (58)

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  • Mark R says:

    Any competition to BA is welcome in my opinion so long as they use Jet aircraft and not props.

    • James67 says:

      Props are jets too! Presumably would be E190s though so that would be great great with 2+2 seating but then I much prefer the train EDB-KGX. It’ll be interesting to see if they lease something bigger.

      • Genghis says:

        I thought by definition a prop (turboprop) is a propeller not a jet engine driven aircraft? An E190 is therefore not a turboprop.

        • Dan says:

          Depends how “technical” you want to be! A turboprop (as opposed to an old piston engine) is actually a ‘jet’ engine on the inside and almost identical to a conventional jet engine. The only difference is rather than the energy being thrown out of the back as thrust it’s instead used to turn the propeller on the front.

        • James67 says:

          I just meant E190s would most likely be used, not that they were turboorops.

        • Alex W says:

          A turboprop is basically a propeller driven by a jet engine as opposed to a piston engine. Longer haul airliners are turbofan.

    • Aeronaut says:

      Props or otherwise, the competition is welcome.

  • Dave says:

    Not once have Flybe credited miles to my account in 6 flights, you raise a claim and they say that its already been credited

    actually come to think of it so does every one world partner you try credit to BAEC

  • Lewis Watson says:

    Does this mean less back services to Edinburgh. It’s already hard enough earning status and not living in london

  • Kinkell says:

    No probs getting my recent flight credited, all 200 avois. Pity it’s only ABZ and EDI. Could do with
    another INV to LHR. BAs current flight time from here is rubbish . Gets to LHR 1.30 pm. Has meant o/n stays in London for 2 long haul connections- no hardship as we can stay with family, -just inconvenient. All part of the holiday experience!

  • Dale says:

    Agree totally with issue about Flybe crediting Avios. They are useless

  • Kay says:

    OT – Avios upgrade voucher
    Is it possible to use this on Airberlin ? (ie TXL – AUH) when using avios search it only shows BA flights
    thanks

  • Concerto says:

    I think this 10 day window for crediting flights to Flybe is unacceptable. How on earth can that happen in a place with so many consumer regulations like Britain? I really hate that non event of an airline anyway, a real shame that out of all the airlines that were once in the UK this is the one that has to survive.

  • Philip says:

    It was 15 days up until recently, you don’t mean they reduced it further to 10 days?

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