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News in brief:

British Airways says it is considering long-haul buy on board

I had been told, prior to last weeks big British Airways press event which we covered in depth, that Chairman and CEO Alex Cruz was being deliberately kept away from the media.

This or may not be true, but it isn’t hard to believe.  Clearly feeling full of confidence after Wednesday’s event, he gave an interview to The Sunday Times yesterday in which he declared he was interested in introducing buy on board in long-haul economy.

This was not a secret.  He has spoken about the possibility of adopting a different business model at Gatwick to combat Norwegian, and this would be a key part of any plan.  Saying it openly to a newspaper only four days after getting BA some decent press coverage for the first time in weeks was not a great idea, however.

It was quickly picked up by other media outlets and the Press Office was forced into action.  The Times article is behind a paywall but the Evening Standard version is here.  (The Press Office once called me on a Sunday afternoon whilst I was toy shopping to ask me change something in a HFP article!)

The same Times article also suggested that the amuse bouche and ‘flower in the loo’ could be returning to First Class.  Whilst this is good to hear, any impression that this would be funded by charging for food down the back is also not good PR.

PS.  I was also confused by this quote from the Times.  Speaking of buy on board in short-haul economy, Cruz said:

“It’s going great. Customers say to us: ‘Finally, I have good choices. No more chicken or beef’

… which makes no sense, because you would need to go back 10 years, perhaps 20 years, to find a time when short haul Economy passengers were offered a choice of two hot meat meals.  It is all very bizarre.

Interesting Economist / Accor promotion

We have seen a number of Economist promotions recently, including one with Avios which only closed on 31st March.  It offered 13,200 Avios for a one-year subscription.

This new deal is more intriguing.  It is organised in conjunction with Le Club AccorHotels.  The landing page is here.

You will earn up to 12,000 Le Club AccorHotels points with a two-year Economist subscription.

1 Accor points = 1 Avios point in Iberia Plus if you choose to convert them.  (Do NOT convert into British Airways Avios as the rate is 2:1.  Convert to Iberia and move them across to BA via ‘Combine My Avios’).

However …… 12,000 Accor points are also worth a €240 discount on an Accor hotel stay.  Given that a 2-year Economist subscription (print and digital) is £315, this is a very strong rebate if you were after the magazine in the first place.

If you are self employed and can offset the cost of the magazine as a business expense, it is even more interesting.

The deal runs until 31st May.  


Accor Live Limitless update – April 2024:

Earn bonus Accor points: Accor is not currently running a global promotion

New to Accor Live Limitless?  Read our review of Accor Live Limitless here and our article on points expiry rules here. Our analysis of what Accor Live Limitless points are worth is here.

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Comments (135)

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  • Stephanie says:

    So i still have not received my 13,200 avios for taking out an Economist subscription in January – i raised it with the accounts team last week. Has anyone else had issues getting them to pay out?

  • Melissa says:

    My instinct is that key changes – such as BoB – take a good few months to filter through. I’m more than hesitant to agree with Cruz about the success of BoB until passenger numbers and revenue from first quarter 2018 are compared with 2017 and 2016. At that point though, a reversal in the BoB mentality will take a further 12 months to filter through. I don’t think it is all doom and gloom. American amended their strategy. Their reputation is better than it was. These things can be reversed. In the short term though, with BoB short haul – the big thing lacking for me is interaction between cabin crew and passengers. They’re just there to sell me things at the moment. And to introduce BoB without water at least – or complimentary coffee/tea is just short sighted. Planes aren’t trains. Longhaul BoB? I’d be waiting to see first quarter 2018 results first…

  • Andrew says:

    For travelling economy, the whole BoB doesn’t worry me too much when I’m departing Heathrow – I know that I can stock up at M&S (for liquid-free landside) or Boots meal deals airside and get a few bottles of chilled drinks to keep things cool.

    It’s the potential BoB return international flight that makes me feel quite uncomfortable. Queueing to board with a rapidly cooling BK Flamer along with a 32oz bucket of Cola doesn’t feel aspirational – neither does stocking up on Toblerone and Snyder’s Pretzels from Hudson News for my transatlanic breakfast.

    • CV3V says:

      At certain Asian airports they do a second security screening at the gate, so the water etc you just bought for the flight has to get binned.

      • John says:

        This is at the request of the USA and Australia who don’t allow liquids in hand luggage. It doesn’t just happen at “certain Asian airports”.

        • Genghis says:

          A while since I’ve been but doesn’t BKK have at-gate security regardless of destination?

          • Lumma says:

            Years ago I was flying from Chiang Mai to Phuket via Bangkok and accidentally left my bottle of Sunscreen in my hand luggage. Got on the first flight with it no problem. At Bangkok I got stopped at the gate security and got it taken off me. We then boarded the plane, which was the same one we’d just gotten off!

          • Genghis says:

            I did Ko Samui to Chiang Mai via Bangkok so perhaps that’s what I experienced

          • James67 says:

            It used to be ahead of each concourse and then it was shifted to the back of immigration on main ramp down to the dragon or whatever it’s supposed to be. In fast track it’s opposite way around, security first then immigration. But don’t be surprised if it’s all change again soon, BKK is a great example of a good airport going backwards. When TG had their direct flights to USA the security for those was a real PITA, even got a grilling just to get into check in area.

        • CV3V says:

          unsure of the need for the quotes, it happens at certain asian airports is the term used rather than me listing them out. Don’t get the reference to USA or Australia as it happen at KLIA when flying to Dubai (as one example). As mentioned it occurs at the gate.

          • James67 says:

            Yes, happens on a380s to London as I recall but KLIA2 is central security point not gate. Not sure what is happening now with Aur Asia moving to tge main terminal, have they done so? My experience of Asian aurpirtsconsustent with your description but it does vary. Sone even have a basic machine screen to get in the terminal buildings.

        • CV3V says:

          Also happens at Singapore (its in Asia too).

          Means buying water from duty free and getting it put in a secure bag. The old trick was just to put the water inside your carry on, but they clamped down on that a couple of years ago, thankfully.

          • Andy says:

            Yes…KLIA and Singapore both have security at the gates…Not sure why because it seems a much less efficient way of doing things…I think at KLIA there’s a very casual security check before proceeding into the departure lounge anyway?

  • Jonny says:

    Bit OT:
    Flying back from TLV with BA in a few weeks in Club (Boeing 787-9) and Avios availability has opened up for First Class. Worth the “upgrade” (if allowed on Avios booking)? c.11k Avios x3 ppl I think

    As an aside, am flying Monarch there so will am sure even BA Club will seem luxurious in comparison…!

    • Lev441 says:

      Although it’s a relatively short flight, if you are Avios rich i’d say go for it!

    • Genghis says:

      I flew back on a 788 in J a few weeks ago. Nice flight. I’d save the avios but each to their own. My tip for TLV: get to the airport 3 hours before. I was interviewed for about 15 mins leaving the country (asking about all of my Muslim country visits) and then had all of my luggage searched (about another hour). The Dan lounge is OK but nothing to write home about.

    • CV3V says:

      The First seat on the 789 is probably the best BA First class seat in the fleet, so if ever there was time to try it out….

      • Jonny says:

        Cheers, tempted to do it… Not sure if other passengers will appreciate a 3yo and 1yo running amok (that reminds me to stock up on Calpol…) but assume cabin is pretty empty (hence Avios availability)…

        • Anna says:

          They can complain about it in Waitrose afterwards!

        • CV3V says:

          I’d expect the First cabin to be full, especially on a 789 with less seats available. Done a few F flights on BA and all have been full.

  • Jonny says:

    Separate OT:
    My wife upgraded her Amex Gold to Platinum, after her card anniversary, but before receipt of the 10k bonus MRs. She has subsequently tried to claim these, but it has been rejected as she is no longer eligible, given she upgraded to Platinum.
    Anyone been in a similar situation? Strictly speaking I guess Amex are correct, though seems a bit harsh having met all the criteria to receive the bonus.
    And also a lesson to other to wait until he points come through…!

    • Yuff says:

      Handy to know, I might upgrade my wife once the 10k posts.

    • Lev441 says:

      She should have waited for the points… They post around 30 days after the renewal..
      You could possibly call up and may get an agent who may do it out of goodwill, but I think you’ve learnt a lesson.

    • Scottydogg says:

      When you say upgraded , did you get any American express sign up bonus for upgrading to Platinum ? I’m in a similar situation , we are thinking of up grading just to take advantage of the holiday insurance and Priority pass for an upcoming trip where we will be visiting 8 different airports , I plan to cancel after that pro rata

      • Jonny says:

        Yep got an upgrade bonus, after contacting customer support. There is also a link floating around for an upgrade but might be targeted, not sure

        • Scottydogg says:

          Could I be cheeky and ask you what bonus you got ? reading on the internet ive seen some people say 15,000 and some saying 20,000 ?

          • Jonny says:

            Was 15,000. Though I got offered nothing myself.

          • Ro says:

            I got offered 5k then asked if it could be increased at all (was hoping for 10k at least) and got offered 20k… so worth persisting!

  • h1tvd says:

    O/T but Accor related. I am going to book 2 nights with Accor and want to benefit from the triple avios promotion. I can’t see to find where I choose earning miles over accor points, I have looked all over the site……

  • Mark newstart says:

    O/T
    will I get the bonus points if I upgrade from Amex Gold to Platinum after I get the bonus from
    the gold?
    Also if I refer someone from a SPG Amex to a Amex Gold or Platinum with I get a bonus?
    know this is old hat to you guys and girls ….. just starting out …………..

    • Genghis says:

      1) Yes, provided the link that is being circulated is not targeted
      2) Not possible. You can only officially refer within family (i.e. Amex Gold->Gold/Plat, BAPP->BAPP/BA Blue, SPG->SPG) though @rams1981 I believe reported some success going from Amex Gold/Plat->SPG.

    • Scottydogg says:

      So there is a link circulating for upgrading from Gold to Platinum ? we are wanting to do this but wanted to hopefully get the sign up bonus for taking out the Platinum . How should I go about this ? any ideas ?

        • Optimus Prime says:

          Interesting… so by being referred to Amex Gold, spending 2k, upgrading to Plat and spending 1k one would get 22k+2k+20k+1k = 43k MR points as opposed to 37k when signing up with Amex Plan via referral?

          I just missed out on this 😛

          • Genghis says:

            I make it 45k, but yes 🙂
            For “internalised referrals” it might still be best to refer to Plat if you can spend £2k relatively quickly (as refer gets 18k vs 9k)

          • Optimus Prime says:

            Lol yes, 45k.

        • Simon says:

          When you upgrade to plat does the hotel status kick in instantly (i.e. as soon as I get approved I get automatic gold status without the card arriving)? Also, if you’ve been approved but your card hasn’t arrived does your spend on gold start counting towards the sign on bonus?

        • BA says:

          Does this link still provide the previous ‘benefit’ when upgrading from gold in the first year?

          • Genghis says:

            Probably too early to tell as the link has only been around a short time. I’m sure we’ll find out soon.

          • Scottydogg says:

            What is the ‘benefit’ you speak of ? 🙂

          • Genghis says:

            Read today’s comments. It’s been mentioned a few times.

  • Carl says:

    Thanks for flagging this. I was just about to book some BA long haul flights for the autumn, but will go with a different carrier in case they bring in this policy in the interim.

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