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Which is better – the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade voucher or BA American Express 2-4-1?

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The received wisdom, prior to the 2015 Avios devaluation, was that the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher was the best thing since sliced bread whilst the Lloyds Avios Rewards credit card upgrade voucher left something to be desired.

The 2015 changes to Avios reward pricing meant that the relative value of the two vouchers changed.  It often takes time for long-held opinions to change, even when the underlying facts are now different.  Is the Lloyds Avios Rewards card still second fiddle to the BAPP Amex 241?

In support of the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher ….

Let’s summarise the deal with the BA Amex card. When you spend £10,000 on the Premium Plus BA American Express card, you get a 2-4-1 voucher valid for TWO years on an Avios redemption in ANY class.

The ‘catches’ are that:

you can only use it on a BA flight starting in the UK

you cannot use it on a one-way TO the UK (one-way FROM the UK is fine) and

you pay full taxes on both tickets

The voucher on the free BA card is less attractive.  This article (click) explains why you should NOT try to earn a 2-4-1 voucher on the free British Airways Amex card.

Here is a good point we forget – if you cancel your redemption, you get your voucher back; the voucher is valid for 2 years from the date of issue (you must fly the outbound leg by this date)

Here are some bad points we forget – you need be travelling with someone else to use it; the £10,000 of spend can only be accumulated via American Express which excludes many small retailers and online payment providers for council tax etc

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

In some ways, the 241 voucher became MORE valuable. As Club World to New York jumped from 80,000 Avios to 120,000 (peak) or 100,000 Avios (off-peak), the voucher is saving you more Avios!

In other ways, the voucher is LESS valuable.  If you can no longer earn enough Avios each year to use it in Club World or First, you may use it for a less attractive redemption (say, World Traveller Plus or Club Europe) where the value you are getting per Avios point is lower.

In general, the BA Amex has NOT got less valuable.  It is simply that the Lloyds card has got more valuable.

In support of the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade vouchers ….

Following the scrapping of the Premier card earlier this year, there is now only one version of the Lloyds Avios Rewards card.

It comes with a £24 annual fee and offers you a voucher to upgrade a return reward flight – or two one-way flights – by one class when you spend £7,000.

Let’s be clear about one thing.  It is NOT an ‘upgrade’ voucher, despite the name.  It is a voucher which lets you book a redemption flight for the miles of a cheaper class.  You do NOT need Avios availability in the cheaper class, just in the class you want to fly.

For example, if you want to fly Club World, you do NOT need to find reward space in World Traveller Plus to ‘upgrade’.  You only need reward space in Club World, for which you are charged the World Traveller Plus price.

Here are some good points we forget – spending on BOTH the Amex and the MasterCard cards count towards the vouchers; the Lloyds card have no foreign exchange fees so you can boost your spend on holiday with no worries about being overcharged; the upgrade voucher is great for solo travellers; you only need to spend £7,000 to trigger it

Here are some bad points we forget – the upgrade voucher is LOST if you cancel your reward flight (although you can make date changes); the MasterCard has a very poor earning rate on spend (0.25 Avios per £1); you CANNOT use the upgrade voucher to fly in First Class; the voucher is only valid for ONE year from the date of issue (you must book by this date but can fly later)

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

With the 2015 changes, the multiplier between flight classes changed:

World Traveller Plus was 1.5x economy, it became 2x economy 

Club World was 2x, it is now 3x

First Class was 3x, it now 4x 

The Lloyds upgrade voucher would previously have saved you 20,000 Avios if travelling to New York in Club World, whilst the BA Amex 241 would have saved you 80,000 Avios.  Remember that Club World was 80,000 Avios and World Traveller Plus was 60,000 Avios. Put crudely, before April 2015 the BA Amex 241 was 4 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Today, if travelling to New York in Club World, the Lloyds voucher saves you 40,000 Avios on a peak day and 48,000 Avios on an off-peak day .  The BA Amex 241 voucher will save you 120,000 Avios on a peak day and 100,000 Avios on an off peak day.  This has substantially increased what you can save.  Put crudely, after April 2015 the BA Amex 241 is now only 2-3 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Let’s compare a typical redemption

Sticking with our New York Club World redemption, let’s see how five redemption options compare using different credit card reward vouchers:

Two Club World seats, off-peak dates, flights to New York on British Airways:

No credit card – 200,000 Avios required

BA Amex (free version) – no fee, spend £20,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios, saving you 100,000 Avios

BA Premium Plus Amex – pay a £195 card fee and spend £10,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios – saving you 100,000 Avios

Lloyds Avios Rewards – pay a £24 card fee and spend £7,000 across either the Amex or MasterCard and one person travels for 52,000 Avios (the WTP cost).  The other pays the standard price of 100,000 Avios.  You save 48,000 Avios.

The British Airways Premium Plus option is STILL the best deal for a couple, I think.  It has never made sense for a solo traveller – the best options if you travel alone are in this article.

However, you are restricted to one BA Amex voucher per person per year.  A couple can have a Premium Plus card each, of course, but you are then looking at £20,000 of Amex spend per year to trigger both vouchers – this is not easy.

A more interesting scenario would be to get the Lloyds Avios Rewards card and use it ALONGSIDE your British Airways Premium Plus card.

Here are some good reasons why:

The fee on the Lloyds card is only £24 per year so your sunk cost is low

With no foreign exchange fee, it is a better card to use for your holiday spending than a British Airways Amex with its 3% fee

You can use it for bills such as council tax where you can often use a Visa or MasterCard but not an American Express

Between the second and third points above, triggering the upgrade voucher at £7,000 should not be too difficult.  It should not make a big difference to how long it takes to trigger the voucher on your BAPP Amex if you have close to £7,000 of annual overseas spend or spend at ‘non Amex’ retailers.

In conclusion

Don’t cancel your British Airways Premium Plus American Express.  The 2-4-1 voucher, for a couple, remains the best deal available on ANY loyalty credit or charge card.

The Lloyds Avios Rewards card has a decent claim for being added alongside it.  Whether you should do it depends on how many Avios holidays you book per year, how much money you spend on credit cards per year and whether you would prefer to push MasterCard or Visa spend towards a non-Avios card instead (eg Hilton, IHG – the best MasterCard and Visa cards are in my article here).


Want to earn more points from credit cards? – April 2024 update

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In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

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You can see our full directory of all UK cards which earn airline or hotel points here. Here are the best of the other deals currently available.

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

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The Platinum Card from American Express

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Earning miles and points from small business cards

If you are a sole trader or run a small company, you may also want to check out these offers:

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American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

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Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

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Comments (196)

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  • Genghis says:

    “The Lloyds upgrade voucher would previously have saved you 20,000 Avios if travelling to New York in Club World, whilst the BA Amex 241 would have saved you 80,000 Avios. Remember that Club World was 80,000 Avios and World Traveller Plus was 60,000 Avios. Put crudely, before April 2015 the BA Amex 241 was 4 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

    Today, if travelling to New York in Club World, the Lloyds voucher saves you 40,000 Avios on a peak day and 48,000 Avios on an off-peak day . The BA Amex 241 voucher will save you 120,000 Avios on a peak day and 100,000 Avios on an off peak day. This has substantially increased what you can save. Put crudely, after April 2015 the BA Amex 241 is now only 2-3 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.”

    Surely need to compare the prices for two people on the Lloyds voucher (and the therefore two vouchers) to properly compare to 241. Ie in this example, £14k Amex and non Amex spend for 2 vouchers for a 80k peak (96k off peak) saving and a £48 sunk cost vs &10k Amex spend on BAPP for 120k saving and up to a £195 cost (but lower of cancel)?

    • Rob says:

      Fair point, although the comparison was really about the number of points saved rather than the sunk costs to get there.

  • Roland says:

    Sorry mostly OT. To book an open jaw 2-4-1 redemption I’m aware that I need to call to book the return leg and have it added to the same ticket. But do I need to call for the outbound leg too or can I just book that online in the normal 2-4-1 way?

    • Yuff says:

      No, you can just book it online and when you are ready to book the return just call BA. You shouldn’t have to pay the booking fee as you can’t add the return online 😉

    • Stu N says:

      If you are booking outbound when seats are released you can do this online. Then you would call back later to book return when they are released.

      If you can see the outbound and return you want now then probably easier to call and book everything in one transaction – you would need to phone BA anyway to do an open jaw.

      They should waive the offline fee as you are doing something that can’t be done online but you might need to ask the agent to do so.

      • Roland says:

        Thanks very much both. Doing it T-355 so will do the outbound online and then later call for the return when it becomes available.

        • Genghis says:

          Remember to select to use 241 when booking outbound

          • the real harry1 says:

            just out of vague interest, what is the actual process of using a 241 online? – is there a dedicated website where you put in a unique reference?

            (vague because I have no intention of spending towards a voucher that would only get used by us in Europe, waste of time)

            many years ago I got a free Lloyds flight under their old Avios scheme and ISTR that was a phone booking

          • Alan says:

            Nope it just appears as an option for you to select when making a normal redemption booking.

          • the real harry1 says:

            where exactly is it? I’m doing a dummy CE return BA booking for 2 people in September & I can’t see anything about 241… (sorry to be thick 🙂 )

            so I’m trying to dummy the BA 241, not Lloyds

          • Alan says:

            You need to have earned a 241 to try it out? I thought you didn’t have one? The BA system dynamically shows what vouchers you have – 241, GUV2, GUV1, etc. If you don’t have one then I’m not sure what there is to try and emulate? If there are 2 seats available for redemption then you’d be able to use them with a 241 voucher.

          • the real harry1 says:

            well I can’t see it, I’ve checked all the redemption screens twice and no mention of 241 for me

          • Genghis says:

            Do you have a 241, TRH1?

          • the real harry1 says:

            no – are you suggesting that it will only appear as an option if I get one?

          • pauldb says:

            yes

  • Polly says:

    Actually, you might end up not paying the full £195 at all. After you have banked the 241 voucher, dropped down to the free blue BACC card, and had your pro rata refund, the BAPP becomes even more valuable. We often get a 7- 8/12 pro rata refund, so even better value.

    Pauldb makes the good point of a couple having 2x Lloyds avios cards as its max cost is £48. Superb value if you get the avios from your Plat and BAPP bonus spend accumulations and referrals. It’s the earning of the total eg 100k avios required for the J flights. That can be the challenge for some. We would consider that option down the line for a NYC trip for instance. The mc aspect is great to use towards the £7k u/g voucher spend too. CTX probably accounts for a good part of it alone. Add in SKY etc…normal small shops, and yes you are there.

    That’s if Amex allow Lloyds to issue this card going forward. Very useful article.

    • Mycity says:

      Why not just cancel the BAPP card and apply again in 6 months and therefore get the bonus Avios for a new card, instead of dropping to a blue Amex?

      • Polly says:

        Mycity, because we like to keep the referral rotations to around 8-10 months between us. So at least we have the pro rata refund banked ASAP, then put the card in the drawer until it’s time to refer. In the meantime we are spending on the Plat. So timing is important in this plan. Believe me, we would refer sooner, but we don’t want to push things. Being cautious, really.

  • Chris says:

    Possibly a point to note is that the Lloyds card has no charges when using it abroad.

    • the real harry1 says:

      very good point! I can’t be bothered to read the article either so I’m dumbfounded Raffles forgot this card benefit, he must be losing it 🙂

  • Klaus-Peter Dudas says:

    Isn’t the Lloyds Mastercard rate 0.25 Avios per Pound? Or has this been enhanced lately?

  • totaltool says:

    Can you get the BAPP card with sign up bonus if you have recently (within last 6 months) had AMEX Gold and cancelled? I get mixed up with rules on AMEX cards issued directly by American express and those that are not

    • Polly says:

      Yes you can, two different card groups. Avios v MRs.

      • totaltool says:

        Thanks Polly related follow up. Can you get BAPP sign up bonus if you have free BA Blue as they are same family?

        • Genghis says:

          No

        • Polly says:

          No, you would have to have cancelled the blue BACC for at least six months before being eligible for the BAPP bonus. However, if you are referring a partner or friend from your free blue to a BAPP for them, they would get the spend bonus no problem. You would get 9k bonus avios.
          If it’s a first BAPP or BACC, do get Rob or someone to refer you, as we might as well benefit from the referral bonus avios. Hope that was what you asked!
          Also remember, if you are NOT chasing the 241, and have got the bonus banked in your BAEC, then do drop back down on line to the blue BACC to get your pro rata refund.

  • Polly says:

    Tangey,the old school maths error forgiven.

    BUT! You have raised a very valid point there, Point 3, about not ness starting your journey in the UK. The ex EU jump off could indeed be very useful. With a return leg ending in London…..and using an open jaw…..

    Rob, thoughts on that aspect???

    • pauldb says:

      You’d only be saving APD, not anything on fuel surcharges. So you can already make that saving by starting from INV I believe.

      • Rob says:

        Can you actually book ex-DUB on a Lloyds voucher and have it cover both segments?

  • Gin and Tonic Please says:

    OT: Just found an offer on my BAPP card for £50 off a spend of £200 at Melia hotels, valid until 26 Oct.

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