Maximise your Avios, air miles and hotel points

Part 1: The two new Lloyds Avios Rewards cards – my review

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For the first time, I have dedicated all three articles today to the same topic – the new Lloyds Avios credit cards.  They have a couple of unique features which need to be explained fully, and that means multiple posts!  The bottom line, though, is that these cards will – for a lot of people – be a ‘must have’.  Although not necessarily as a main card ….

This article will focus on a general overview.

Lloyds Bank unveiled an overhaul of its Avios-earning credit cards yesterday.  It is ‘goodbye’ to the old Duo credit cards, although the free version is still available via TSB.  You will remember that these came in two versions – free and with a £50 fee.  The difference was the Avios earnings rate and a 2-4-1 voucher (economy flights only) on the £50 card.

These two cards have been replaced by the Lloyds Bank Avios Rewards Credit Card (home page here) and the Lloyds Bank Premier Avios Rewards Credit Card (home page here).  Here is my review.

To cause extra confusion, Lloyds launched a third card yesterday – the Choice Card – which also offers Avios as a redemption option.  I will focus on the Choice Card tomorrow.  Do not apply for anything until you’ve read about all three cards!

Here is a quick summary of the changes on the new Avios cards compared to the old cards:

There is no longer a free Avios earning card from Lloyds.  The basic card has a £24 fee.  The ‘Premier’ card has a whopping £140 fee.

You can still get the free version of the ‘old’ Avios Duo cards by applying via TSB.  Here is the link.  For simplicity, I won’t discuss this card again in this article.  Everything I say refers only to the new Lloyds cards.

Both cards come as a double pack of an American Express and a Mastercard

The earnings rates are improved over the old cards.  The Premier card (£140) offers 1.5 miles per £1 on the Amex and 0.3 Avios per £1 on the Mastercard.  The basic card (£24) offers 1.25 miles per £1 on the Amex and 0.25 Avios per £1 on the Mastercard.

No foreign transaction fees.  This could be a game changer, and I will discuss it in more detail in a separate post.  Never before has a mainstream UK reward card, of any sort, offered to waive the 3% foreign exchange fee.

Double Avios points on the Amex card for the first six months.  This is instead of a sign-up bonus.  This is capped at £2,500 of spending per month.

Flight upgrade voucher when you spend £7,000 (£24 card) or £5,000 (£140 card).  Article 3 today looks at the terms and conditions attached to this voucher, and whether it is worth aiming for.

A 2-4-1 voucher when you spend £12,000 per year on the £140 card.  This is valid ONLY on Economy class bookings.  It is valid on British Airways, Flybe, Aer Lingus, Monarch, American Airlines, Air Malta and Aurigny, plus Eurostar.

0% on purchases for the first 13 months.  This means that, if you choose not to repay your balance in full, you will not incur any interest.  You will still need to make the minimum 1% monthly repayment, though.

So, should you get either of these cards?

You should read my other two posts today, to fully understand the ‘no foreign exchange fees’ and ‘flight upgrade voucher’ rules, before carrying on reading here.

Question 1:  Do I recommend the £24 card (Lloyds Avios Rewards)?

Yes, I do.

If you can answer ‘Yes’ to any of these questions then I think this card is worth adding to your wallet.

Do you spend over £800 per year on your credit card outside the UK?

If so, then get this card.  The foreign exchange fees on any other credit or debit card are 3%, whilst this card is 0%.  Spend over £800 and you are in ‘profit’ as your saving on FX fees has covered the £24 fee.

Do you spend over £2,000 per year outside the UK on a ‘no FX fees’ credit card?

If you already have a card with no foreign exchange fee, like the Post Office Mastercard, it may be worth switching as this card also earns Avios points.  The break-even point is around £2,000 of foreign spend.  Put that through the Post Office card and you earn 0 Avios.  Put that through the Lloyds Avios Rewards card and you get 2,500 Avios points which justifies the £24 fee.

Do you travel on your own?

The biggest issue with the 2-4-1 voucher on the British Airways Amex card is that it requires two people to travel.  For solo travellers, the voucher that comes with the Lloyds Avios Rewards card is better, as you can upgrade both legs of one flight.  You might find the Avios Rewards card a better choice than the BA Amex.

Are you a heavy Amex spender (up to £2,500 per month)?

If so, get this card, at least for the first year.  You get double Avios on your Amex spend for the first 6 months, on up to £2,500 per month.  That is 2.5 Avios per £1, which is 1 Avios per £1 more than the British Airways Premium Plus Amex.  The additional Avios will easily cover your £24 fee.

Question 2:  Do I recommend the £140 card (Lloyds Premier Avios Rewards)?

In general, ‘No’.

Let’s compare the £140 card to the £24 card:

  • Both cards offer the ‘no foreign exchange fees’ benefit, so there is no need to pay for the expensive card
  • The difference in earnings rate is minimal (1.5 vs 1.25 Avios per £1 on the Amex)
  • The Mastercard earnings rate is a joke on both cards – 0.3 per £1 and 0.25 per £1 – and you would be substantially better off using a cashback card or the Amazon Mastercard (1% back) instead
  • Both cards offer the ‘upgrade’ voucher, and the difference in spend required is only £2,000
  • I do not value the 2-4-1 voucher highly

The key, of course, is the last point.  I do not value a 2-4-1 voucher which is only valid on Economy redemptions. 

Long-haul Economy redemptions are generally a waste of Avios points, and short-haul redemptions mean that you do not save much from the voucher given the £12,000 of spend required.  My personal view is that you are better off with the BA Premium Plus 2-4-1 voucher which is valid in ALL travel classes.

Let’s compare the £140 Lloyds Premier Avios Rewards card to the £150 BA Premium Plus Amex:

  • The BA Premium Plus (BAPP) Amex does have a 3% FX fee, but you can escape that by getting the cheaper £24 Lloyds Avios Rewards card and using that just for foreign spend
  • The BAPP Amex has the same earnings rate
  • The BAPP Amex has a £10 higher fee
  • The BAPP Amex does not have the ‘upgrade’ voucher, but this is also available via the £24 Lloyds Avios Rewards card
  • The 2-4-1 voucher with the BAPP Amex is valid in ALL travel classes.  This offers a saving of up to 300,000 Avios (First Class return to Australia) and realistically 100,000+ Avios if used for a Club World return.

As you can see, the 2-4-1 voucher – and the ability to use it in premium classes – is the deal breaker.

What will you do Rob?

The ‘no foreign exchange fee’ benefit is a huge one for me, a game changer.  My gut feeling, at this point, is that I will apply for the £24 Lloyds Avios Rewards cards and use it purely for overseas spend.  (For the first six months, whilst it offers double Avios, I may put other spend through it as well).

I have no interest in the Lloyds Premier Avios Rewards card.  The £140 fee is not justified by the additional benefits, in my view.

I will retain my British Airways Premium Plus Amex and I will ensure that I continue to spend £10,000 on it each year to trigger the 2-4-1 voucher.  I will continue to use these for premium class redemptions.

Your comments

I know that there is a huge amount to take in across these three posts today.  It is also possible that there are some intricacies to these cards that I have not yet picked up on.  Please share your thoughts and questions below.


How to earn Avios from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (April 2024)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

Barclaycard Avios card

Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending £15,000 Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points. These points convert at 1:1 into Avios.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 20,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

40,000 bonus points and a huge range of valuable benefits – for a fee Read our full review

Run your own business?

We recommend Capital on Tap for limited companies. You earn 1 Avios per £1 which is impressive for a Visa card, along with a sign-up bonus worth 10,500 Avios.

Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

Huge 30,000 points bonus until 12th May 2024 Read our full review

You should also consider the British Airways Accelerating Business credit card. This is open to sole traders as well as limited companies and has a 30,000 Avios sign-up bonus.

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

There are also generous bonuses on the two American Express Business cards, with the points converting at 1:1 into Avios. These cards are open to sole traders as well as limited companies.

American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

Comments (63)

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  • BD says:

    I have just acquired the CapitalOne card for FX spend. I have the BAPP AMEX and a supplementary card on the Diamond Club Mastercard/AMEX duo, which we put day-to-day items on.

    For me this Lloyds card offers an interesting proposition.

    I am about 2K short of triggering the 2-4-1 on the BA AMEX. My plan was to trigger the voucher and then downgrade to the free AMEX. I had given thought to getting the Gold AMEX and then churning back to the BA AMEX after a year, once the 2-4-1 was used. However, the Lloyds Duo, if as good as they seem might be a better option.
    I think I will put day-to-day spend on for the first 6 months and then use it for FX after that.

    • Volker says:

      “…and a supplementary card on the Diamond Club Mastercard/AMEX duo…”

      I knew there was that legendary BMI/DC Mastercard which gives you 2.5 Avios per £, and I was at least lucky enough to sign up for the VISA/AMEX duo before it was too late. What I did not know is that they issued a Mastercard/AMEX duo. How many Avios per £ do you earn on each of them, BD, and when was this combination available?

      • BD says:

        Opps, Ive just had a look in my wallet, its a Visa, not a Mastercard! I think I got confused, as the bmi product was a mastercard for so long.
        Earn for the account is 2/£ on the AMEX and 1/£ on the Visa.

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  • BritBronco says:

    Not worth the effort of applying or paying the fee for me. I already have a Nationwide Select card and a Clarity Card for the ATM. Also have the BMI Amex for normal spending.
    Best upshot of this is that it might cause other Amex card issuers to review their FX fees.

    • Rob says:

      Exactly. Amex asked me about ways to improve the Gold card recently, and I told them that waiving the FX fee would be a game-changer. Would look more like a catch-up move if they did it now, but would still be valuable.

  • craig says:

    I see your argument comparing £140 card to £24 and then £140 card to BAPP, but if you compare the £140 card to the combined pair you would pay £174 in annual fees vs £140, need to accumulate 10,000 BAEC Avios + 7,000 Avios to get the 2-4-1 and upgrade (vs 12,000 avios) and these could not be used in tandem – the BAEC 2-4-1 needs to be redeemed through BA and the upgrade must be on a flight bought with standard avios. The £140 card would allow you to get ecomony flights and upgrade to club europe for 2 travellers one-way, plus free foreign spending whilst abroad. Also, trying to juggle 2 different spending targets across the BAPP and £24 card is much more hassle than just accumulating in 1 place, so I think the premium card will find its niche.

    • Rob says:

      I agree. The 241 voucher on the BA Amex is of most value to people who generate at least 100,000 Avios per year and can get 2 x Club World redemptions with that 100k. If you don’t generate that many Avios, and so use your 241 for economy redemptions, the Lloyds card may work just as well.

      Do not underestimate the power of the 2-year BAPP voucher, though. A voucher which is only valid for 1 year is very inflexible for routes which require you to book a long way in advance. With a 2-year voucher in my account, I can happily sit and wait for seats to open up at 355 days out for flights I want at peak periods.

      • craig says:

        Good point about the 2yr expiry.

        On the Lloyds book-then-upgrade point again, a pair of return flights to Istanbul out 05/04/14 Euro Traveller, returning 19/04/14 Club Europe would cost £ 1,110.10. Using the Lloyds premium card 2-4-1 plus upgrade would make that 20,000 Avios plus £85. That gives an Avio the price of 5.1p unless my sums are totally wrong! 🙂

        • Rob says:

          Except that Manage My Booking would probably offer you a cash upgrade from ET to CE for £125 anyway!

          And you can only upgrade reward tickets, and would need reward inventory to be available in BOTH economy and Club Europe. Very restrictive.

          • craig says:

            The £125 upgrade offer – does it often occur that if you buy an economy ticket you’ll be offered a cash upgrade for less than the difference you would’ve paid to go Club Europe in the first place?
            Does that work for long-haul? Might be a cheaper way for me to get tickets to Brazil that avoid the hell of 12hr flight in economy!

          • Rob says:

            This Flyertalk thread discusses current prices – http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1117885-pro-active-upgrade-cost-tracking-thread-163.html. I also recently got one during on-line check-in (£69 to Germany) when there had been nothing in Manage My Booking.

            Rio has reportedly been offered at £199 to upgrade from WT to WTP, no reports on upgrade offers from WTP looking at the wiki.

  • thomas says:

    Off topic, but did anyone else get a random Amex Membership Rewards points adjustment today in the form of many bonus points ??

    • Scott says:

      Yes, I got this – no idea what it’s all about, but while it’s a +ve adjustment I’m not too unhappy about it!

      • Jamjaw says:

        I got this too – and looking through my statement seem not to have got any bonus points for the last week or so… So maybe it was for that…

    • Roger says:

      Could it be for missing bonus points for foreign spend?

      They have beeen having issues with zero bonus points being awarded, and they promised to make this up later.

    • Jacqui says:

      Have just checked my account and got 200 additional rewards points for a ‘bonus error adjustment’, so no idea what transactions it might relate to.

      • thomas says:

        They have made no errors in a long time so I have no idea where over 5500 bonus points came from. Thanks Amex !

        • Scott says:

          I got a couple of hundred this morning, and about another 1,800 a couple of hours later on my PRG card. Can’t see any errors, and I’ve had no foreign spend on this card, have only had it a few weeks. Very nice of them, and I can’t work it out, so I’m just going to stop worrying about it!

    • Brendan says:

      Nothing for me 🙁

      • StephenF says:

        Got 10 points as error adjustment.

        On another point my gold card is giving me (and wife who has own card) 584 avios when filling up the car (4x points on top of base points + Tesco clubcard points)!! Amazing.

    • John says:

      After complaining about my spends on several OW and *A airlines only earning single points, I got the following message from Amex:

      “A technical error has been identified regarding your MR points. You have not been earning the correct rate for certain travel industry spend between May and October 2013. The root cause of this issue has now been identified and corrective measures have been implemented.

      A further adjustment will be applied to your account in early November for any remaining bonus MR points you are entitled to, for spend in September and October.”

      Received 10000 MRs more than I should have – meaning triple / quadruple points on most things. That makes up for being denied the 20% bonus avios offer.

    • Boi says:

      I did, twice for that matter and have no idea what it is for. I think it is in the region of 2000 MR, if my memory serves me right.

  • Brendan says:

    Raffles do you see any additional value in the Lloyds 2-4-1 for those of us in N. Ireland? If it can be used with Aer Lingus then Dublin-San Francisco in J would save 100,000 avios with little taxes.

    • Rob says:

      Good point, my thinking is London-centric as usual. Assuming, of course, that avios.com can book you on long haul AI redemptions as opposed to short-haul.

      If this could be used on the Aer Lingus services then it is a decent option for people who don’t want to pay BA taxes. But then, if are happy to pay £140 for the card and can easily put £12,000 through an Amex in a year, then BA’s taxes are unlikely to be a high priority.

    • E14 says:

      I thought it was just Y redemptions for the 241 not J

      • Brendan says:

        Ah yes you are correct. Well at least a 50,000 saving might be possible then. Not really feasible to fly on BA in Y with taxes anyway

  • Tim says:

    Is this available to people on the existing lloyds duo programme?

  • Trevor says:

    Thanks, Jacqui, glad someone bit the bullet and attempted what we were all wondering and questioning – can existing Lloyds duo card holders apply? Of course the next step is to ensure that as ex members once cancelled, we can both apply and qualify for the initial 6 month bonus.

    • Trevor says:

      Oops, forgot to include an interesting post from Flytalk (see trackbacks below):

      “If you are an existing Lloyds Bank Credit Card customer looking to change to the Premier Avios Rewards Credit Card, you can’t do this at the present time, but you will be able to shortly.”

      So, how long is “shortly” and what will the conditions be…?

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