Will Airbus drop the A380?

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• Andrew says:

  15 Dec15 December 06:41

  A cancellation by BA wouldn’t be ironic. That’s not irony!

  • Worzel says:

    15 Dec15 December 07:00

    Fed up with Christmas preparations already Andrew?

  • Matt says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:07

    Alanis Morrissette would beg to differ…

    • Worzel says:

      15 Dec15 December 08:22

      Thank You…

      • Matt says:

        15 Dec15 December 10:41

        Sorry, that rather weak joke made more sense in response to Andrew’s comment. I’ll get my coat…

        • Worzel says:

          15 Dec15 December 12:49

          Keep your coat where it is Matt. My comment(8:22 am) would have been better understood had I posted- “Thank U”.

        • Matt says:

          16 Dec16 December 04:37

          Ah well, “You Live, You Learn”…

• Tariq says:

  15 Dec15 December 06:58

  Trying to push the airlines that have A380 in their medium/long term strategy to get distress orders in before the ‘discontinuation’?

  Wonder if they could re-design the A380 in composite to reduce fuel consumption… Sure to be more costly than $2.5bn though!

  • Will says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:04

    A more efficient design would really just mean new engines, with possibly some wing redesign. I read somewhere that they could get another 10% efficiency with a longer wing – but then it wouldn’t be able to get into any airports.

• TimS says:

  15 Dec15 December 07:13

  The 747-8 won’t survive as a cargo aircraft either. It is more efficient and larger than the 400 but not not by enough to justify significant orders.

  There is already excess capacity in the cargo market and belly capacity in aircraft like the 777 and the 787 reduces the need for widebody freighters except for oversized loads.

  • James67 says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:20

    I also understand LH is trying to sell their 748s.

• James67 says:

  15 Dec15 December 07:27

  Would be so sad too, nothing vomes close to flying experience on a380. Have bever flew it economy but I gather most economy passengers love it too. The problem is airlines increasingly want to cram people in like cattle such as AC 773ER and care little for economy class comfort, the appaling economy class on the 787 being another example. I am not sure if it is still the case but TG did something different. They swith a380s from longhaul where only one daily rotation was possible to medium haul flights between BKK and TYO/KIX so each aircraft could do almost double daily rotation at fares much the same as they can charge between BKK and Europe. Other airlines perhaps need to think outside the box. According to EK lifting the floor 1 or 2 inches is enough to add a further row of seats and combined with neo would transform theeconomics of a380. The niggest problem though is airlines are afraid they cannot fill it. It bothers me too that at airports like LHR with chronic capacity issues that airlines like Delta and United are able to pperate small aircraft like 757s to cities that have multiple daily services such as Huston and Newark. By doing so they are not fully realising the airports potemtial andultimately reducing passengers route options. Number of daily flights could be reduced by using large aircraft, at same time freeing up slots to introduce new destinations. I would be much in favour of LHR manipulating the market in this way where any longhaul city with more than two daily flights by an airline needs to be operated by a larger aircraft bit no restriction on aircraft type where the airline has a single daily rotation or less.

  • JQ says:

    15 Dec15 December 07:57

    Isn’t short-haul to Europe the biggest culprit here, since the same slot is used for an A380 with 500 pax as an A320 to CDG with 100 pax. Not sure what can be done about this though without decimating European airlines’ connectivity.

    • James67 says:

      15 Dec15 December 08:32

      My thinking is shorthaul is like a shuttle service so there is a place for frequency. However, on longhaul routes like Houston I see little point in offerung multiple daily rotations just a few hours apart using 757s. Economy passengers certainly do’t need it and rationale for business is weak too because in my experience you cannot even rely eith any confidence on disembarking LHR within an hor of schedules arrival times. Had much too many issues with stacking, weather, blocked gates and now even failed tugs for that. With such uncertainties i fail to see need for high frequencies on longhaul services.

  • Phillip says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:03

    I think that partly defeats the object – you either have fewer frequencies on larger aircraft or more frequencies on smaller aircraft. It’s all down to the demand for the route. I’m sure if any airline filled their smaller planes and still had demand, they would upsize in time.

  • Mark says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:07

    Don’t forget that frequency is an important factor in airlines being able to sell tickets on some routes. It’s one of a few reasons why BA is yet to operate a single A380 to New York. Lack of A380 gates is another reason, which also stops them from being used on other routes such as Cape Town where there might otherwise be a good business case.

    For what it’s worth I think BA will take all 12. One delivery has been brought forward from 2016 to end of 2015. Whether they will take any options is far less certain.

• Mark says:

  15 Dec15 December 08:41

  I suspect the issue with that argument is that most cities will invest in the airport infrastructure to serve their needs without necessarily have to go to much bigger aircraft, and everything else being equal most airlines would prefer the flexibility of a fleet that has more small and mid-sized aircraft to benefit from extra frequency and so that capacity can be tailored to maximise yield/profit. And if as a result the aircraft manufacturers are investing in those aircraft (light weight materials, latest engines etc), that is likely to make them even more comparatively attractive.

  The question is how many cities are or will find themselves in London’s position where airport expansion is politically/ commercially/ logistically very difficult.

  • Mark says:

    15 Dec15 December 08:42

    extra frequency….

  • Will says:

    15 Dec15 December 09:39

    None, it’s only in the UK where we have 1. Huge demand and 2. A Huge argument based around “you can’t do that” to every single option.

    Most countries with (1) understand if you want growth the sacrifice is building infrastructure, and most countries with attitude (2) don’t have much economic success. Strange little island this one

• pauldb says:

  15 Dec15 December 13:50

  I’m not sure technically this counts as general aviation news unless you’re the Saudi royal family. 🙂

• Andrew S says:

  15 Dec15 December 17:15

  Perhaps left of the field, but a few A380`s at marginal cost pricing – Ryan-International launch aircraft? 🙂

  • Choons says:

    15 Dec15 December 19:55

    don’t give them ideas, they could put in an upper deck, lower deck and middle deck.

    • Lady London says:

      15 Dec15 December 22:26

      and 1 toilet for 300 ! I still think Ryanair would do it

• Lady London says:

  15 Dec15 December 22:30

  I love the A380. If I had my way, all my flights would be A380. It’s the first aircraft I get off of feeling relatively clearheaded. They really seem to have got the airflow and the feeling of airiness right. Most of my trips on it have been very longhaul in Y. J somehow doesn’t feel such a big leap up on the A380’s I’ve been on – I’m quite happy with Y on it.

  IIRC AKL had to wait quite a long time for theirs – the gate investment to handle them must be huge. I’d be really really sad and disappointed if they don’t continue them.

  • CV says:

    16 Dec16 December 14:49

    Yup I really like the a380 and it would always be my preference, this despite being quite against it at its launch. But my first trip on one and I was nicely surprised at how quiet it was, I genuinely thought we couldn’t take off as it was so quiet going down the runway!

    The only negative I could think of is the vastness of the business class cabin on emirates.

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