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Curve Card and its new ‘acceptable use’ policy

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card is an innovative new payment card which is currently in beta mode.  I reviewed the Curve card in detail here but, put simply:

branded as a MasterCard, it allows you to recharge transactions to an American Express card – great for places where Amex is not accepted

when used abroad, it only levies a 1% FX fee (compared to 3% on 99% of UK credit and debit cards) and recharges the amount to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard

when used in an ATM, it recharges the withdrawal to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard and treats that transaction as a purchase for the purpose of earning points and counting towards BA Amex 241 vouchers etc

Curve was launched with a caveat that all transactions would be subject to a ‘fair use’ policy which was undefined.

Curve prepaid MasterCard

A policy on ATM withdrawals has recently appeared on its website:

At Curve we want to be your gateway to everything money giving you more choice and saving you money. However there are certain services which are high risk for Curve and/or expensive for Curve to provide due to third party fees. For these services we have a monthly free usage limit which if passed will result in a small but fair fee to cover costs. This helps keep Curve free to use for the majority of our users.

ATM Withdrawals from credit cards

You can withdrawal up to £200 (or currency equivalent) for free using your American Express or other credit cards per calendar month after which there is a 2% charge. This limit does not apply to ATM debit card withdrawals. Furthermore any behaviour which Curve deems to be “cash recycling” whereby high volumes of cash are taken out of an ATM using a credit card and then used to repay the credit card in order to gain rewards on the funding card or Curve Rewards is not permitted. Such behaviour may result in your Curve account being blocked or cancelled. See Section 6 of Curve Terms and Conditions for further information.

Our platform uses third party systems to identify whether the Funding Source is a debit or credit card. If you believe your card has been incorrectly defined you should contact us where you will be required to provide evidence as such in order for your case to be investigated.

ATM domestic withdrawal frequency

ATM usage is free for up to 10 domestic (withdrawals in the same currency as your Funding Source) withdrawals per month after which time you may be charged £0.50 (or currency equivalent) per usage for each additional ATM withdrawal.

It is worth noting that this new policy should not apply to anyone who applied for a Curve card before last Friday.

The Curve terms and conditions state the following:

1.10 Amendments to this Agreement. We may at any time amend, delete or add to this Agreement, including the Fees and other amounts which apply to your Account (as set out in Schedule 1) (a “Change”) by giving notice of such Change by posting a revised version of this Agreement on the Curve website(s). A Change will be made unilaterally by us and you will be deemed to have accepted the Change after you have received notice of it. We will give you 2 months’ notice of any Change with the Change taking effect once the 2 month notice period has passed, except the 2 month notice period will not apply where a Change is required by law or relates to the addition of a new service, extra functionality to the existing Service or any other change which neither reduces your rights nor increases your responsibilities. In such instances, the Change will be made without prior notice to you and shall be effective immediately.

As this is clearly a change in the fees levied, it requires 2 months notice to be given if you applied before Friday.  I have not been charged for a cash withdrawal over the weekend so they appear to be working to this.

Let’s look at where this leaves you with Curve

Under the new rules, you can withdraw – for free – £2,400 per year from an ATM to be recharged to a credit card.  Let’s assume that you use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express.

£2,400 will cover 24% of the £10,000 of spend required each year to trigger your 2-4-1 voucher – that is a meaningful contribution

You will earn 3,600 Avios per year which you would not otherwise earn

You also have the other benefits of the card:

Being able to recharge purchases at establishments which do not accept American Express to an American Express

Being able to make overseas transactions for a 1% foreign exchange fee, compared with 3% charged by almost all other cards.  Even if you have a credit card with 0% foreign exchange fees (Post Office Platinum, Halifax Clarity) you may be better off paying Curve 1% and earning the rewards on the underlying card.

The 2% credit card ATM fee may be worth paying

It may even be worth paying Curve’s 2% fee to make additional ATM withdrawals – whilst being aware of the ‘recycling’ rule.

Again, lets use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express as an example.  Withdraw £100 on Curve and you earn 150 Avios for a £2 fee.  At 1.33p each that is not a great deal, of course.  However, it also moves you £100 closer to your next 2-4-1- voucher.  A lot of people will find an acceptable trade off.

Curve is still a ‘work in progress’ and I doubt we have seen the last of the changes to their model.  Given that the Travelex Supercard will be relaunching at the end of the year – presumably still with 0% FX fees, still allowing overseas transactions to be recharged to a Visa or MasterCard (not an Amex) and still with no annual fee – Curve needs to offer substantially more than Supercard to justify the £35 fee and the 1% FX margin.

Full details of how to apply are in my original article.


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Comments (399)

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  • Fahd says:

    Received an email from them today saying the online payments issue had been resolved, but I’m still not able to make two payments online (albeit one is to top up a prepaid debit card) – anyone else had more luck?

  • Ben says:

    How does this work under S75 of the Consumer Credit Act and being jointly and severally liable when it comes to breach of contract (failed to arrive, good faulty, supplier goes into administration, etc)? As there are now technically 2 middlemen in Curve and the account it is paid from.

    If I buy an Expensive Branded Shiny Widget from Fruit Brand Inc and Fruit Brand Inc subsequently goes into administration who can I submit a claim to?

    (Just received my Curve today and am planning what purchases I can/should put on it.)

    • Ben says:

      Ignore me…
      o quote from their website:
      Similarly to PayPal [….] 3rd party purchases, using Curve is not a direct purchase from the user’s original card, so the purchases are not covered by Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.
      However Curve users are protected by MasterCard chargeback rights where refunds can be provided if goods are damaged, not as described, or the merchant has ceased trading.

      • Genghis says:

        I’d buy S75 applicable items if possible on Amex or an actual credit card. I’ve not used MasterCard chargeback but have tried to use the Visa equivalent and it was such hard work to put through a claim and then they rejected the claim in the end (when Malev airlines went bust). S75 claims with Amex, however, are really straight forward.

        • Ben says:

          Yeah – any time I can purchase on Amex I will. More thinking about where it isn’t accepted. A nice fall back, I guess.

  • Ian says:

    I tried 3 times to pay a £450 bill. each time declined. But didn’t realise my underlying card BAPP was being charged. It was listed as 3 pending transactions. Curve said that I would get a refund. Today the pending transactions are now ‘real transactions’ so taken from my BAPP account.

    The company I paid the £450 has not received any payment. Curve has not replied to my email today asking when I will get refunded. American Express said I have to wait a few days and if still no refund they will investigate on my behalf. It’s all got quite messy 🙁

  • Yuff says:

    Curve usage improving 🙂
    This card may have potential!!!!

  • An McE says:

    Excerpt of email from Curve. I’m pleased they’re sorting themselves out. Hopefully someone who reads HfP will take one of the advertised CS roles.

    “Unfortunately we’re having to introduce ATM withdrawal usage limits to Curve on credit cards to mitigate against ‘cash recycling’ following chatter in online forums planning to exploit Curve’s feature of free ATM withdrawals on credit cards.

    In 60 days we will implement a monthly limit of £200 on free credit card ATM withdrawals with Curve – this is across all cards rather than on a per credit card basis. Amounts above the £200 will be charged at 2% – still less than most credit card providers. Debit card withdrawals will continue to be free. We’re still committed to making sure you get as good a deal as possible with your Curve – you can find out more in our Fair Use policy here (link to FUP).”

  • Stuart says:

    Just asked to cancel. Had the card a week, 3 declined transactions and changes to terms and conditions not communicated directly, having to find out via a third party with as financial interest is clearly not acceptable.

  • Oscar says:

    To paraphrase my complaint to Curve, sent today and immediately escalated to their Head of Operations, Mr Tom Foster-Carter:

    “I disagree with Curve’s interpretation of when the new Fair Use Policy, which was updated on the 22nd of April 2016 (22/04/2016), begins to apply to my account. I paid for my Curve Card on 24 March 2016, thereby entering into a contract with Curve on that date. Curve announced changes to this pre-existing contract on 22 April, which I contend should apply to my account from 22 June 2016 onwards, given the two month notice period outlined in the terms and conditions that I signed up for.

    [Details on my employment] My jobs are cash-intensive occupations. The reason I paid GBP35 for a Curve card was to be able to access cash from cashpoints (both in the UK and abroad) quickly, easily and without paying additional fees. To quote an email I was sent by Curve on 11 March 2016:

    “Curve is one card to rule them all. Combine all your MasterCard, Visa and Amex cards into a single card and unlock multiple benefits: eliminate your existing cards roaming charges when you travel, view and label every transaction in one screen – in real time – and bypass domestic ATM fees whilst continuing to collect your reward points… plus more.”

    It is my view that the imposition of a GBP200 monthly cashpoint limit totally changes the nature of the product. The Curve product is no longer eliminating my existing cards’ roaming charges or bypassing ATM fees. I have a strong feeling that based on guidelines from the Financial Conduct Authority, the Financial Ombudsman Service will agree with my interpretation of the situation, rather than Curve’s.

    Please consider this an official complaint. I do not consider Curve’s offer to extend the cancellation period from 14 to 30 days to be a satisfactory solution to the problem. A satisfactory solution would be to remove the ATM limit until 22 June 2016. At that point I will consider whether the Curve card has delivered GBP35 of value.

    Please send through Curve’s final response on this matter, and then I will consider whether to make a complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service.”

  • Stephanie says:

    Just in case if someone was also wondering how long would it take to get your card…

    Applied on 26th Feb
    E-mail on 15th Apr – to be dispatch on 13th May
    E-mail on 20th Apr – dispatched
    Received on 29th Apr

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