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Curve Card and its new ‘acceptable use’ policy

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card is an innovative new payment card which is currently in beta mode.  I reviewed the Curve card in detail here but, put simply:

branded as a MasterCard, it allows you to recharge transactions to an American Express card – great for places where Amex is not accepted

when used abroad, it only levies a 1% FX fee (compared to 3% on 99% of UK credit and debit cards) and recharges the amount to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard

when used in an ATM, it recharges the withdrawal to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard and treats that transaction as a purchase for the purpose of earning points and counting towards BA Amex 241 vouchers etc

Curve was launched with a caveat that all transactions would be subject to a ‘fair use’ policy which was undefined.

Curve prepaid MasterCard

A policy on ATM withdrawals has recently appeared on its website:

At Curve we want to be your gateway to everything money giving you more choice and saving you money. However there are certain services which are high risk for Curve and/or expensive for Curve to provide due to third party fees. For these services we have a monthly free usage limit which if passed will result in a small but fair fee to cover costs. This helps keep Curve free to use for the majority of our users.

ATM Withdrawals from credit cards

You can withdrawal up to £200 (or currency equivalent) for free using your American Express or other credit cards per calendar month after which there is a 2% charge. This limit does not apply to ATM debit card withdrawals. Furthermore any behaviour which Curve deems to be “cash recycling” whereby high volumes of cash are taken out of an ATM using a credit card and then used to repay the credit card in order to gain rewards on the funding card or Curve Rewards is not permitted. Such behaviour may result in your Curve account being blocked or cancelled. See Section 6 of Curve Terms and Conditions for further information.

Our platform uses third party systems to identify whether the Funding Source is a debit or credit card. If you believe your card has been incorrectly defined you should contact us where you will be required to provide evidence as such in order for your case to be investigated.

ATM domestic withdrawal frequency

ATM usage is free for up to 10 domestic (withdrawals in the same currency as your Funding Source) withdrawals per month after which time you may be charged £0.50 (or currency equivalent) per usage for each additional ATM withdrawal.

It is worth noting that this new policy should not apply to anyone who applied for a Curve card before last Friday.

The Curve terms and conditions state the following:

1.10 Amendments to this Agreement. We may at any time amend, delete or add to this Agreement, including the Fees and other amounts which apply to your Account (as set out in Schedule 1) (a “Change”) by giving notice of such Change by posting a revised version of this Agreement on the Curve website(s). A Change will be made unilaterally by us and you will be deemed to have accepted the Change after you have received notice of it. We will give you 2 months’ notice of any Change with the Change taking effect once the 2 month notice period has passed, except the 2 month notice period will not apply where a Change is required by law or relates to the addition of a new service, extra functionality to the existing Service or any other change which neither reduces your rights nor increases your responsibilities. In such instances, the Change will be made without prior notice to you and shall be effective immediately.

As this is clearly a change in the fees levied, it requires 2 months notice to be given if you applied before Friday.  I have not been charged for a cash withdrawal over the weekend so they appear to be working to this.

Let’s look at where this leaves you with Curve

Under the new rules, you can withdraw – for free – £2,400 per year from an ATM to be recharged to a credit card.  Let’s assume that you use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express.

£2,400 will cover 24% of the £10,000 of spend required each year to trigger your 2-4-1 voucher – that is a meaningful contribution

You will earn 3,600 Avios per year which you would not otherwise earn

You also have the other benefits of the card:

Being able to recharge purchases at establishments which do not accept American Express to an American Express

Being able to make overseas transactions for a 1% foreign exchange fee, compared with 3% charged by almost all other cards.  Even if you have a credit card with 0% foreign exchange fees (Post Office Platinum, Halifax Clarity) you may be better off paying Curve 1% and earning the rewards on the underlying card.

The 2% credit card ATM fee may be worth paying

It may even be worth paying Curve’s 2% fee to make additional ATM withdrawals – whilst being aware of the ‘recycling’ rule.

Again, lets use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express as an example.  Withdraw £100 on Curve and you earn 150 Avios for a £2 fee.  At 1.33p each that is not a great deal, of course.  However, it also moves you £100 closer to your next 2-4-1- voucher.  A lot of people will find an acceptable trade off.

Curve is still a ‘work in progress’ and I doubt we have seen the last of the changes to their model.  Given that the Travelex Supercard will be relaunching at the end of the year – presumably still with 0% FX fees, still allowing overseas transactions to be recharged to a Visa or MasterCard (not an Amex) and still with no annual fee – Curve needs to offer substantially more than Supercard to justify the £35 fee and the 1% FX margin.

Full details of how to apply are in my original article.


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Comments (399)

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  • Roger Hardplease says:

    “Blog shills a new ‘Free Points!’ card method for months to thousands of people all waiting for the next 3V/NS&I free for all (because they’re incapable of doing any work for themselves), and is then surprised when the card changes its terms.”

    Quite a surprise, that one.

    • Mark B says:

      Really, for me the surprise was the card with such terms being launched in the first place

      • Ed says:

        +1 they’ve got to take some responsibility. Launch paid for product with great benefits then withdraw these benefits before most get said product, that’s not acceptable

    • Rob says:

      🙂

      • Singing Dwarf says:

        Those who got their cards before everyone else were on to a points printing machine, eh Rob 😉

        • Rob says:

          Given my 8m balance across all schemes, I had better ways to use my time!

          • Andrew* says:

            Now that is what’s known as an ‘open jaw’ moment…

            *drops mic*

  • Mark B says:

    I received my card on Saturday, after resding about the changes that no longer makes the card attractive to me, I asked about a refund and was told I’d get this if I applied within 14 days.

  • Bob says:

    Got my curve card last week Brilliant. Ok so they put a limit on how much cash you can get out of an ATM at £200 on Amex etc (without a fee). I’ve just spent £850 at my golf club that don’t take Amex so used Curve and got 1275 Avios instead of 170 if I’d used a MasterCard. My thoughts on Curve usage will be use Curve where they don’t use Amex and still use BA Amex/Lloyds where it is accepted so you still get Amex purchase protection and insurance etc etc. I won’t need it abroad as I have Lloyds cards (although maybe use it where Amex isn’t accepted). It’s not rocket science if used sensibly. Cheers

    • Nick says:

      I agree Bob.

    • Mr Dee says:

      Agree, this is the purpose of the card and it should be easy for businesses to turnover larger amounts in the long term.

    • Rum says:

      I agree with this too. But only difference for me is that my Lloyds Avios card has been cancelled. I have no use for it as I have Halifax clarity as a back up for cash withdrawals and where Curve might not work or be declined. Lond live Curve!

  • Bob says:

    Maybe you have an iPad, you can use that.

  • Geoggy says:

    Mine arrived yesterday and I’ve just activated it on the app (personal not business user).

    I can’t for the life of me work out how to choose the default card.

    • d4ve says:

      The card on top of your list of cards (showing in full) is the one that will be used.

      • Geoggy says:

        So I can’t choose which card to charge other than deleting the ones I don’t want to use?

        Again that’s not quite what the original blurb said – it said you could choose a default card

        • Mycity says:

          It’s easy click on any card in the list, that then goes to the top and is the default card.

          • Geoggy says:

            Thanks but I’m still confused. If I tap on the one I want to use it goes to the top of the list when the cards are separated in list form.

            If I then tap the other card – the one from the top goes behind the one at the bottom so now I can only see the top band of it.

            It’s not exactly intuitive

          • Graeme says:

            No, it’s not obvious. You can guess that’s what’s happening, but you have no real way of knowing. For now I’ve just left the one card I’m using on there.

          • Bob says:

            Stop tapping the one at the top is the one it’s using

        • d4ve says:

          You are able to chose the card before every transaction in the same manner as you would choose for ApplePay. You tap the screen with the cards on, select the one you want to use and it pops to the top.

          • Charkie Whiskey says:

            It is not always clear, depending on the card graphics, but in the App the Curve logo is superimposed on the current destination card in transparent print.

            Just tap the preferred card picture so it goes to the top of the screen- it is then the destination card.

    • Liz says:

      Just touch the card you want and it will rise to the top and the little Curve animation should be in the middle of that card.

      • Rum says:

        Yes that’s right. The semi-opaque Curve logo (sort of like a letter ‘C’) appears over the card that is default. They have an FAQ page on their site. They have this stated there.

  • Simon says:

    I think I know the answer but are these terms grandfathered in for older users? Or do you have to receive an email from them so the 2 months starts? Or shall we consider that the 2 months starts now?

    Was considering some quick churning but I don’t want to get banned, potentially the card has some use.

    Any other ways of churning the money?

    • harry says:

      The 2 months started already as the notice was already posted to their website a few days ago. You’d be taking a small risk by hammering the ATM for the next 7-8 weeks – ie that they still block you for breaking the old fair usage rules or more likely just charge you the 2% fee.

      • d4ve says:

        Is a link hidden at the bottom of a website for a card that is managed through an App really considered to be suitable notice?

        • M says:

          The fup and other Ts and Cs are also listed in the app (About section)

        • Andrew (@andrewseftel) says:

          Their T&Cs say yes, I suspect the FCA would say no.

        • Rob says:

          Not in my opinion, certainly not in the regulators opinion I promise you.

  • Kevin says:

    I’ve had a few problems with mine. A couple of online transactions that the retailer has Sid have been declined but are still showing on my curve statement, and a £100 cash withdrawal from an ATM that didn’t give me any money but is still showing on my curve statement

    • Yuff says:

      They’ve stated they have a bug in their system, for online transactions, which they are hoping to resolve today. 🙂

  • Isabel says:

    This is presumably still not available for Android devices??

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