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Curve card ‘pauses’ Amex functionality

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

Let’s keep Curve discussion here, please, to stop other threads getting clogged up.

I will do an analysis on this tomorrow.  My gut feeling in the short term is that – assuming you can easily spend £1,000 on Curve in the next three months (and £600 of that can be free ATM withdrawals linked to a Mastercard or Visa, earning points) – you might as well do that.

You will get the £35 credit, which if you have the basic card means you are in the same financial position as taking a refund, and you still have the Curve card for overseas use (if you don’t have a 0% card) and ATM use and for places where it is treated as a debit card.

Curve prepaid MasterCard

And, of course, if you take a refund you would need to pay £35 again later if / when Amex functionality returns. If you have the premium version, the maths is different and you may find the full refund better than a £50 credit.

It is always fun and games working with start-ups ….

The email:

I’m Shachar, the CEO of Curve. Today we’ve got some disappointing news. American Express have asked us to pause their functionality with Curve – which means you will not be able to use your Curve card with your Amex for the time being. This begins at midday on May 31st UK time – you’ll shortly receive another email with practical details of what will happen when we pause the American Express functionality – your Curve will continue to work with Mastercard and Visa.

American Express want to ensure there is a seamless customer support process for their Members when using their Card with Curve. We’re continuing discussions with their management, and hope that American Express decide to come back to Curve soon.

We’re continuing to build something big at Curve. The first ever platform to connect you to your everything money – transforming the way you handle your finances, bringing value and saving you time and money. We’re already connecting up all your bank cards, tracking your expenses in real time and saving you money with zero FX fees when you travel. This is just the beginning – we’re working hard on future features such as the ability to move charges between funding cards after you’ve paid, bespoke loyalty rewards and cash-backs, peer-to peer payments and much more.

As a big thank you for being one of Curve’s early adopters we are giving Blue card members £35 and Black card members £50 worth of Curve Points if you spend a total of £1000 over the next three months. You’ll be able to spend your Curve Points at any merchant that accepts Mastercard using your Curve. Please see our FAQs for further details.

We hope you choose to stay with us to continue the exciting journey we’ve begun together. Please write to me directly – I’m happy to answer any questions you might have.

I’ll keep you updated.

Yours,

Shachar Bialick


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Comments (437)

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  • Daz says:

    I’m glad I got the email before I done the big Lidl shop, they would have sneered at me and thrown rotten vegetables for holding the 350meter till queue up as I only have Amex aligned to my Curve

  • krys_k says:

    Here’s my take.

    We don’t know why Amex pulled out. So every comment is speculation. Those using the card according to T&C but for Avios gain are being told off for ruining it for others when it could be dozens of other reasons.

    Raffles is in the bad book of some because he told us about a product which went South. Apart from the fact that everyone ought to be old enough to make their own financial decisions, you’ve lost most likely £35. It really is a first world problem.

    Lots of talk about canceling. I’ll keep. If only to support a start up.

  • Chris says:

    This is a real shame. I applied a week or so ago. Curve told me my card would take 4-6 weeks for my card to come through. After today’s e-mail, I contacted them to ask if they would waive the £35 fee. They would not. Since the ability to use Amex with the Curve card was the primary reason I signed up, I have just cancelled my application.

  • Valen says:

    This product is like having Pepsi wrap a Coke logo on their bottle and selling it as Coke! In an age where branding is everything I don’t see any banks being happy to have their brand obfuscated in such a manner… Good idea but doesn’t work from a business perspective.

    • Rob says:

      Which is why all the card companies are working with Apple Pay and Android Pay, where there brands are submerged?

      • Mr(s) Entitled says:

        There aren’t many companies that would pick a fight with Apple or Google. They would gladly squash Curve.

        • Nick says:

          Card issuers will have been bullied in to the Apple Pay thing, no question about that. After the EU regs took a huge chunk out of their interchange income, the very last thing they will have wanted is an intermediary forcing itself in to the payment acceptance process and (presumably) taking another big bite out of that income. A real double whammy, but no doubt card issuers felt they had no option but to sign up to Apple pay, even though for the life of me I cannot see adds anything that contactless didn’t do already. I’m not sure as a customer I’d want Apple knowing what I’m spending my money on either.

          • Duncan Stevenson says:

            Apple don’t know what you spend your money on at all. And it has a few benefits over contactless. One, the retailer never gets hold of your actual card number, so it’s more secure than a normal contactless card. In the same vein, you don’t have to remove your card from a wallet/bag/purse, so you have increased physical security.

            Secondly, the limit for Apple Pay / Android Pay transactions is limitless whereas a contactless transaction is limited to £30.

            Personally I wear an Apple Watch which works very well with Apple Pay, but even if I didn’t I’d be more likely to have my iPhone to hand (if not IN my hand) whereas my wallet will be in a buttoned or zipped pocket, or in a bag.

          • harry says:

            Secondly, the limit for Apple Pay / Android Pay transactions is limitless whereas a contactless transaction is limited to £30.

            Surely you got the merits round the wrong way? I’d much rather have strict limits in place whilst the technology is proved.

          • Nick says:

            All fair points – although I did think there was some uncertainty on who got to see transaction data. However the main point I was making is still valid: the marginal improvements of apple pay (and similar services) over existing contactless are not worth the price we will ultimately pay through reduced credit card benefits, in my opinion. I’m not apple-hating, but I really hope Apple Pay doesn’t take off.

          • Fenny says:

            My wallet will always be in my pocket (unless I’m out kicking people), but my phone is likely to be on my bed/sofa/desk unless I’m travelling between college sites on a work day.

  • Mr Dee says:

    No phone support is really not acceptable for a long term financial product.

  • harry says:

    The non-refund of £75 for Blacks without sending back your wallet (in new condition) seems very odd/ mean.

    Does it mean the Curve people are rather desperate to hold onto all those £25s?The wallet was a gift & an enticement to go for the higher level of membership. It may or may not be worth the £25 – that is entirely irrelevant.

    • Yuff says:

      I quite like my little black leather wallet, they aren’t having that back or my card 😉
      May has been a very lucrative month thanks to curve, I don’t see June being much different 🙂

    • AndyGWP says:

      Agreed – it was listed as a free (I have screenshots) gift – to expect people not to have used it is insane… to charge them £25 for a ‘free’ gift is scandelous… i’m sure they will have covered themselves with a loophole somewhere though 🙁

      • harry says:

        I think it probably simply means somebody senior was in panic mode and made a bad decision.

        Think how much more reassuring it would have sounded if they’d said ‘We’ll be happy to refund your £75 Black membership fee – and naturally as a gesture of our appreciation for your joining Curve, please keep your [special wallet, whatever it’s called!] with our compliments’.

  • Paul says:

    I just wanted to say I have no qualms with raffles whatsoever. As he says, if you’ve used card – you are ahead. I am now taking the same approach to the tesco giftcards (I forget the name of the brand) and paying things in advance, such as service charges on properties, sky, eon, etc 🙂

    Thank you Raffles (and it may not even be all bad news, “pause” could be taken at face value!)

  • Mr Dee says:

    I had to phone the amex card to authorise curve transactions about 8 times, not fun.

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