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News in brief:

British Airways says it is considering long-haul buy on board

I had been told, prior to last weeks big British Airways press event which we covered in depth, that Chairman and CEO Alex Cruz was being deliberately kept away from the media.

This or may not be true, but it isn’t hard to believe.  Clearly feeling full of confidence after Wednesday’s event, he gave an interview to The Sunday Times yesterday in which he declared he was interested in introducing buy on board in long-haul economy.

This was not a secret.  He has spoken about the possibility of adopting a different business model at Gatwick to combat Norwegian, and this would be a key part of any plan.  Saying it openly to a newspaper only four days after getting BA some decent press coverage for the first time in weeks was not a great idea, however.

It was quickly picked up by other media outlets and the Press Office was forced into action.  The Times article is behind a paywall but the Evening Standard version is here.  (The Press Office once called me on a Sunday afternoon whilst I was toy shopping to ask me change something in a HFP article!)

The same Times article also suggested that the amuse bouche and ‘flower in the loo’ could be returning to First Class.  Whilst this is good to hear, any impression that this would be funded by charging for food down the back is also not good PR.

PS.  I was also confused by this quote from the Times.  Speaking of buy on board in short-haul economy, Cruz said:

“It’s going great. Customers say to us: ‘Finally, I have good choices. No more chicken or beef’

… which makes no sense, because you would need to go back 10 years, perhaps 20 years, to find a time when short haul Economy passengers were offered a choice of two hot meat meals.  It is all very bizarre.

Interesting Economist / Accor promotion

We have seen a number of Economist promotions recently, including one with Avios which only closed on 31st March.  It offered 13,200 Avios for a one-year subscription.

This new deal is more intriguing.  It is organised in conjunction with Le Club AccorHotels.  The landing page is here.

You will earn up to 12,000 Le Club AccorHotels points with a two-year Economist subscription.

1 Accor points = 1 Avios point in Iberia Plus if you choose to convert them.  (Do NOT convert into British Airways Avios as the rate is 2:1.  Convert to Iberia and move them across to BA via ‘Combine My Avios’).

However …… 12,000 Accor points are also worth a €240 discount on an Accor hotel stay.  Given that a 2-year Economist subscription (print and digital) is £315, this is a very strong rebate if you were after the magazine in the first place.

If you are self employed and can offset the cost of the magazine as a business expense, it is even more interesting.

The deal runs until 31st May.  


Accor Live Limitless update – April 2024:

Earn bonus Accor points: Accor is not currently running a global promotion

New to Accor Live Limitless?  Read our review of Accor Live Limitless here and our article on points expiry rules here. Our analysis of what Accor Live Limitless points are worth is here.

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Comments (135)

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  • Anna says:

    Have prices come down on short-haul flights with the introduction of BOB? I wouldn’t bet on it. They are charging £354 for a “basic” (BOB and HBO) return to Palma at May half term, Ryanair costs £241 for what is essentially the same package.

    • John says:

      Comparing with Ryanair doesn’t indicate whether prices have “come down”, you’d need to look at BA’s fares from last May.

      • Anna says:

        They didn’t fly that route (MAN-IBZ) last May, but I can’t see a family of 4 paying an extra £450 just to have the BA logo on the plane. I doubt there will be many business travellers on that route.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Depends if BA have already sold all of their £241 tickets.

      Best to compare T-355 or 180 etc rather than as you get much closer to flight date.

      In my experience they are competing on price further out but not as you get closer to the travel date, possibly becuase they know they can get high yield business travellers? Also this dynamic pricing stuff works in mysterious ways

  • Bob Inalong says:

    How about this for a hypothesis:

    Run down the BA arm of IAG, ready for the Spanish to increase their 49% share at knock down post brexit price.

  • Carl says:

    Embarassing PR own goal for Alex Cruz. I wonder how long he will last. At the heart of the dilemma is confusion about what BA is – low cost carrier or full service airline. It risks being caught in the middle – Gold card holders flying mostly Qatar and Cathay (plus the obligatory four shorthaul sectors on BA) and genuine bargain hunters still opting for Norwegian, EasyJet or Ryanair who have the cost structures to match and who are better at delivering on stuff like buy-on-board.

    • Talay says:

      I could not have said it better.

      As someone who is rebranding part of my existing business, which is far far smaller than BA (:)), I am still struggling with where it should be positioned in the market versus where I would like it to be and perhaps wary of where it could end up being perceived should I get the exercise wrong.

      This is just me, some of my senior management and a little external input.

      I don’t have a whole department fluffing around to do this but perhaps those at BA have been redeployed to manage the gaffs of their paymaster.

  • DAZ says:

    I bit at the last Economist deal for 12000 avios, I get it sent to my brother in Canada cannot stand it, absolute drivel. I just cannot abide paying for it if I won’t use it, but if it’s your heroin.

  • JP says:

    I fly long-haul economy a reasonable amount, and I find the idea of withdrawing free meals and alcoholic drinks as being anything other than a huge downgrade for customers laughable on its face.

  • ms77 says:

    If BA go BoB long haul economy this will be the last straw for me, I’m already seeking an alternative (although struggling).

    I need to start pricing up Easyjet with all the trimmings…

    • Brian says:

      Do Easyjet do long-haul??

      • ms77 says:

        Sadly not, yet!

        I will switch back to Emirates or Finnair for heading East I guess, Europe i’ll just go for the best pricing / timing.

  • Frenske says:

    BA tries to compete with budget air lines which means they will need to compete in an already crowded market with small profit margins.
    There is now nothing for me to prefer BA over for example SAS on my bi-monthly business jog to Oslo. The pitiful amount Avios is certainly not worth the premium and thanks to the slump in oil prices my company has enforced stricter spending i.e. no alcohol without a meal.

  • the real harry1 says:

    O/T reminder it’s T-355 or thereabouts for most state schools —> Easter outward 2018. Two of my kids have occasional days on the 30th March so I’m not even pinching a day next year! That’ll keep the wife happy and one son is now into his GCSE years so I’ve resolved to be a bit less naughty with pinching days.

    Apart from the reminder, got this option:
    30000 Avios + £ 70.00
    24000 Avios + £ 130.00
    21200 Avios + £ 150.00
    18000 Avios + £ 170.00
    15200 Avios + £ 190.00
    10000 Avios + £ 230.00

    Whilst I have a few Avios stashed away, this was a painless way to ‘buy’ 20000 Avios for £160 (0.8p) so I went for it – also got a new spend target to hit on Amex Gold so factor that in as well. 0.8p is right on my borderline but some of the other 0.8p methods are somewhat tricky/ hit & miss 🙂

    Checked HBO fares and 4x = £1600 today, with checked luggage £1660! So my sum goes:
    £1660 minus £230 =£1430
    £1430/ 10000 Avios = 14.3p

    Crazy! 🙂

    I assume those cash prices will come down a lot at some point (not certain – start of Easter hols?) or when you can buy a return ticket in 2 weeks time, by which time of course my perfect flight slot timing on the outward journey will be long gone for Avios redemptions…

    • Genghis says:

      Big pat on the back? ✈️

    • Sam says:

      Was doing a test run yesterday and looking at flights from LHR to SYD and usual first seats came up T-355 for 30 Mar 2018. At 01:15, 15 mins later and all gone. Is this what it’s come to?

      • Louie says:

        Surprised it took that long. Normally go within a minute or two.

      • Anna says:

        March 30th 2018 is Good Friday, it’s bound to be popular.

        • Alan says:

          Thankfully much easier up here – no Good Friday or Easter Monday holidays (we got a random other Monday) so at least not trying to get away when lots of others are!

      • Genghis says:

        Yes. You need to stay up until midnight GMT in order to bag the 2 J seats that are released. Surprised that F was released at t-355.

        If you’re looking for SYD though, have a look at cash fares as even using a 241, using avios may prove uneconomical.

    • Josh S says:

      On a similar note, can I find BA peak/off peak calendars for next April anywhere? Don’t seem to be on the BA website.

      From experience, mid week in April on BA?

      Looking to be sitting waiting at 00.00 for redemption to open up for GRU-LHR next Easter in business but want to have the right number of Avios in the right place ready to go

      • Anna says:

        If it’s within the Easter holidays, all travel days will be classed as peak.

        • Josh S says:

          Thanks! Guess I’ll have to wait for the calendar to be released to see if I can make the dates work

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