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I don’t try to pretend that I’m an expert on things I don’t understand.  That’s why I am going to spare you my thoughts on the impressive British Airways shut-down yesterday.

There is plenty of in-depth coverage without a paywall at The Guardian, BBC News etc.  It does seem that, this time, the failure went far beyond the FLY passenger management system which has been the cause of most meltdowns over the past year.

I was just lucky that, despite it being half term, I’m not actually on a BA flight until next Friday.  It is a minor consolation for me given that we booked into a UK countryside hotel this weekend just to find that the weather forecast for today and Monday looks appalling …..!

If you were caught up in the chaos yesterday or the consequences today, feel free to share your experiences in the comments to this article.

PS.  Given that BA’s outsourcing of its IT operation will have played a large part in the poor response yesterday, it does not bode well for the BA call centre in Newcastle which I understand is on the verge of being transferred to Capita.

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British Airways to introduce an £8 fee on third party bookings

Back in 2015, Lufthansa took a brave leap and imposed a €16 fee on every ticket booked via a travel agent or indeed anyone who used a ‘global distribution system’ such as Amadeus, Sabre or Travelport.  The airline claimed that it was paying up to €18 in fees for every ticket sold and wanted to encourage passengers and agents to use its own website.

Many thought that Lufthansa would backtrack but it held firm.

British Airways and Iberia have now decided to add their own £8 / €9.50 per segment (so £16 for a return flight) fee from 1st November.

It isn’t clear what the impact of this will be on the leisure market.  Only BA knows what percentage of leisure passengers book on, say, Expedia versus ba.com.  How many passengers, when they see British Airways on Expedia costing £14 more than easyJet, will know that BA is actually £2 cheaper if booked direct?

The share prices of Amadeus, Sabre and Travelport all fell on Friday by up to 4% (see this Reuters report) which implies that the market believes trade customers will simply move to booking direct.  Concur, for instance, claims that it will be able to integrate direct booking seamlessly into its system so that corporate users see no change to their current booking process.  Leisure travellers won’t do that if they are not educated that direct booking is sharply cheaper.


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Comments (230)

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  • Cgray says:

    Drove 2 and a half hours to Gatwick south yesterday for the 2.45pm to Ibiza. On arrival in departures the queue was strangely out onto the travelator. Luckily priority line for ba a lot shorter. No one said anything around this time at midday that system meltdown had happened. Waited nearly an hour to get to front of priority line then had 2 labels stuck on each case saying fallback.. asked check in guy and he said system down they were working on it..

    Went thru premium line all quiet, did some shopping, only when I got to the ba lounge did it become clear something other than bank holiday spring to mind. The lounge was busy and people started saying no flights were going out. Then we saw the ba site saying all flights cancelled til 6 and so did the tv.. but no staff in the lounge would confirm..

    It would have been good if the tannoy system in the lounge was louder, this then would have meant we all could hear what was being said. Instead of that lots of people kept checking what was happening. We got told if you leave the lounge you can’t come back in. Three flights did go off we think after that each flight had to go to gate 14 to then go back thru border control, collect bags and leave. I had to wait til nearly 6 to be called to go to the gate. As I drove to the airport and could not find any other decent flights I did not drink and then I drove home. No Ibiza for me, luckily the lounge was calm and fully stocked with food and drink. The situation was a nightmare, could have been better or worse. Now to get some money back! Took me 2 hours to get home again. Definitely had better days.

    • JP says:

      Travelling alone…to Ibiza?

      I’d have needed (and definitely consumed) a drink…or ten!

      • Cgray says:

        Haha.. my friends travelled out on ryanair the day before!

  • Exasperated! says:

    Friends flying to the States today… in First. Just arrived at Heathrow about 2 hours before their departure and told that they are not allowed into the airport…!

    Obviously no communication from BA, no advice online to not come to airport until 1.5 hours before departure, nothing on app, and no reply to Gold line after 45 mins this morning when we tried to check flight status….

  • Billy says:

    BA still charge CC fees (albeit capped at £20) whereas Expedia do not. I will still check both although I still prefer having control over my booking, which often is not the case with non direct bookings

  • Rebecca McCullough says:

    I was meant to fly back from Paris last night. It could have been a lot worse… I went to the airport and after about half an hour in the queue I was booked on an air France flight home.
    My issue I hope someone can help with, is that this was the final flight I needed to take with BA to get my status changed from bronze to silver. I’m fact that entire trip was so I would get this. The rest of my flights this year with BA are booked using avios and I wanted the status upgrade so thought an overnight trip to Paris would be the easiest way to do it. Does their computer failure has meant I’ve wasted a fair bit of money and and did an overnight trip for nothing?

    • Rebecca McCullough says:

      Just a side note, I realise I wasn’t stuck anywhere so can’t really complain but I don’t have a whole lot of money so wasting £300 is a big deal to me! And that’s unfortunately how much the trip cost.

    • BA says:

      For involuntary changes to another airline, BA will give you the original tier points and avois you would have got if you took the flight. You have to request this from CUstomer services though.

      (Rumour has it you can also double dip and credit your AF flight to a FB account as well on top…)

    • JP says:

      People are doing these things just to acquire BA silver? No wonder IAG profits were soaring (until yesterday)

  • Angmo says:

    Does booking direct mean that eventually our bookings won’t be accessible on the likes of MyFlights app?

    • Rob says:

      BA still uses Amadeus for storing flight data which is why BA.com bookings show there. It is tricky to exist totally outside the GDS loop unless you are a low cost, no partners, airline.

  • TripRep says:

    Rob, we know you’re not an expert on mission critical IT infrastructure or an Avaition compensation lawyer.

    But we still value your wealth of experience and your own opinion, tremendously.

    I appreciate you’ve had little time to write a detailed view on whether you think BA should pay compensation under EU261 and it might also currently be difficult to analyse the vague excuses that BA have offered (along with insincere apologies)

    However, hopefully later this week you will scribe a piece on how to claim for EU261/2004 for delays and cancellations for this specific event, it could be a rewrite of previous articles and will be a very popular article to the HFP community affected this weekend.

    And given the new interest we may also see your subscribers top the 10,000 mark.

    Slightly leftfield – How many votes would Jeremy Corbyn win, if he stated he would make EU261 a proactive automated payment under known criteria? As a floating voter I’d back him.

    • John says:

      That would be nice, but I wouldn’t believe him.

      I really don’t think air passenger rights are a major consideration for most UK voters

    • mark2 says:

      I agree that compensation should be automatic, but assume that you are being ironic about voting for Jeremy Corbin!

      • JP says:

        Another educated Tory….who cannot spell.

      • TripRep says:

        “Slightly Left field” 😉

        But I am surprised spin doctors have yet to make a Polictical football out of passenger right on this.

        I would wager that approx 50% of working population earning above £20k take a flight of some sort once a year.

        • Genghis says:

          You’re probably right on the stats but I don’t think EC261 compo is at the top of most people’s wants

    • marc says:

      The reality is, the majority of pax (average) have no clue what EC261/2004 means, neither that they may be able to claim 250/400/600€ compo.
      But hey, if you know it, better for you.

  • Andrew says:

    A different angle from me. Flew INTO lhr yesterday at 1530 from Istanbul and sat on the tarmac for an hour. Cabin crew and captain exemplary considering they were the same crew on the 7am morning flight out to Turkey. Pilot and first officer let people into the cockpit and everything. Great service considering they had been up for over 12 hours and wanted to get home too. Consider myself very lucky we were allowed to take off from Istanbul in the first place. Pocket of BA staff that went the extra mile.

    • CV3V says:

      I remember being delayed on a BA plane and the captain letting kids n parents into the cockpit, jealous was I (flying alone, no kids to borrow).

    • Alan says:

      Excellent idea from that crew actually – make the most of the time on the ground to at least make it a bit more interesting for pax 🙂

  • BA says:

    If you are on a week long holiday due to start yesterday, your options are:

    – as your flight was cancelled and you will be delayed >24h, you can use travel insurance to abandon your trip and get all your money back
    – wait for BA rebook. You will get EU261 and hotel/food until the rebook. You will not get any money back for missed holiday days.
    – pay for your own flight on another airline to your destination. You are at risk doing this. You will not get EU261, BA may well cancel your return flight, and BA are under no obligation to give you any compensation. You will get the cost of your original flight back.

    • TripRep says:

      What’s your source on this? What interpretation of the EU261 law are you quoting?

    • Js says:

      Hmm. You will get the €200/300/600 compensation on all 3 of these as BA cancelled the flight. Unless the power outage turns out to be terrorism, then it would e.g. an extraordinary circumstance, but I do not believe this is the case.

      In 1) you will get ALL your costs back such as hotel, Disneyland passes etc.
      2) is correct, but BA have now said they will voluntarily pay ‘reasonable’ costs – so they might pay for lost days
      3) you will still get the EU261 compo, but not the hotel/refreshments until your rebooked flight. BA are not under obligation to give you the difference between the BA flight and you last-minute one on a new airline, but as above they have voluntarily said they will pay ‘reasonable’ costs.

      I must say, especially if I were doing a shortish ex-EU trip and stuck in London, I would go for 1) and claim the avios and TPs for the flight from BA later.

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