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Which is better – the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade voucher or BA American Express 2-4-1?

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The received wisdom, prior to the 2015 Avios devaluation, was that the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher was the best thing since sliced bread whilst the Lloyds Avios Rewards credit card upgrade voucher left something to be desired.

The 2015 changes to Avios reward pricing meant that the relative value of the two vouchers changed.  It often takes time for long-held opinions to change, even when the underlying facts are now different.  Is the Lloyds Avios Rewards card still second fiddle to the BAPP Amex 241?

In support of the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher ….

Let’s summarise the deal with the BA Amex card. When you spend £10,000 on the Premium Plus BA American Express card, you get a 2-4-1 voucher valid for TWO years on an Avios redemption in ANY class.

The ‘catches’ are that:

you can only use it on a BA flight starting in the UK

you cannot use it on a one-way TO the UK (one-way FROM the UK is fine) and

you pay full taxes on both tickets

The voucher on the free BA card is less attractive.  This article (click) explains why you should NOT try to earn a 2-4-1 voucher on the free British Airways Amex card.

Here is a good point we forget – if you cancel your redemption, you get your voucher back; the voucher is valid for 2 years from the date of issue (you must fly the outbound leg by this date)

Here are some bad points we forget – you need be travelling with someone else to use it; the £10,000 of spend can only be accumulated via American Express which excludes many small retailers and online payment providers for council tax etc

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

In some ways, the 241 voucher became MORE valuable. As Club World to New York jumped from 80,000 Avios to 120,000 (peak) or 100,000 Avios (off-peak), the voucher is saving you more Avios!

In other ways, the voucher is LESS valuable.  If you can no longer earn enough Avios each year to use it in Club World or First, you may use it for a less attractive redemption (say, World Traveller Plus or Club Europe) where the value you are getting per Avios point is lower.

In general, the BA Amex has NOT got less valuable.  It is simply that the Lloyds card has got more valuable.

In support of the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade vouchers ….

Following the scrapping of the Premier card earlier this year, there is now only one version of the Lloyds Avios Rewards card.

It comes with a £24 annual fee and offers you a voucher to upgrade a return reward flight – or two one-way flights – by one class when you spend £7,000.

Let’s be clear about one thing.  It is NOT an ‘upgrade’ voucher, despite the name.  It is a voucher which lets you book a redemption flight for the miles of a cheaper class.  You do NOT need Avios availability in the cheaper class, just in the class you want to fly.

For example, if you want to fly Club World, you do NOT need to find reward space in World Traveller Plus to ‘upgrade’.  You only need reward space in Club World, for which you are charged the World Traveller Plus price.

Here are some good points we forget – spending on BOTH the Amex and the MasterCard cards count towards the vouchers; the Lloyds card have no foreign exchange fees so you can boost your spend on holiday with no worries about being overcharged; the upgrade voucher is great for solo travellers; you only need to spend £7,000 to trigger it

Here are some bad points we forget – the upgrade voucher is LOST if you cancel your reward flight (although you can make date changes); the MasterCard has a very poor earning rate on spend (0.25 Avios per £1); you CANNOT use the upgrade voucher to fly in First Class; the voucher is only valid for ONE year from the date of issue (you must book by this date but can fly later)

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

With the 2015 changes, the multiplier between flight classes changed:

World Traveller Plus was 1.5x economy, it became 2x economy 

Club World was 2x, it is now 3x

First Class was 3x, it now 4x 

The Lloyds upgrade voucher would previously have saved you 20,000 Avios if travelling to New York in Club World, whilst the BA Amex 241 would have saved you 80,000 Avios.  Remember that Club World was 80,000 Avios and World Traveller Plus was 60,000 Avios. Put crudely, before April 2015 the BA Amex 241 was 4 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Today, if travelling to New York in Club World, the Lloyds voucher saves you 40,000 Avios on a peak day and 48,000 Avios on an off-peak day .  The BA Amex 241 voucher will save you 120,000 Avios on a peak day and 100,000 Avios on an off peak day.  This has substantially increased what you can save.  Put crudely, after April 2015 the BA Amex 241 is now only 2-3 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Let’s compare a typical redemption

Sticking with our New York Club World redemption, let’s see how five redemption options compare using different credit card reward vouchers:

Two Club World seats, off-peak dates, flights to New York on British Airways:

No credit card – 200,000 Avios required

BA Amex (free version) – no fee, spend £20,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios, saving you 100,000 Avios

BA Premium Plus Amex – pay a £195 card fee and spend £10,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios – saving you 100,000 Avios

Lloyds Avios Rewards – pay a £24 card fee and spend £7,000 across either the Amex or MasterCard and one person travels for 52,000 Avios (the WTP cost).  The other pays the standard price of 100,000 Avios.  You save 48,000 Avios.

The British Airways Premium Plus option is STILL the best deal for a couple, I think.  It has never made sense for a solo traveller – the best options if you travel alone are in this article.

However, you are restricted to one BA Amex voucher per person per year.  A couple can have a Premium Plus card each, of course, but you are then looking at £20,000 of Amex spend per year to trigger both vouchers – this is not easy.

A more interesting scenario would be to get the Lloyds Avios Rewards card and use it ALONGSIDE your British Airways Premium Plus card.

Here are some good reasons why:

The fee on the Lloyds card is only £24 per year so your sunk cost is low

With no foreign exchange fee, it is a better card to use for your holiday spending than a British Airways Amex with its 3% fee

You can use it for bills such as council tax where you can often use a Visa or MasterCard but not an American Express

Between the second and third points above, triggering the upgrade voucher at £7,000 should not be too difficult.  It should not make a big difference to how long it takes to trigger the voucher on your BAPP Amex if you have close to £7,000 of annual overseas spend or spend at ‘non Amex’ retailers.

In conclusion

Don’t cancel your British Airways Premium Plus American Express.  The 2-4-1 voucher, for a couple, remains the best deal available on ANY loyalty credit or charge card.

The Lloyds Avios Rewards card has a decent claim for being added alongside it.  Whether you should do it depends on how many Avios holidays you book per year, how much money you spend on credit cards per year and whether you would prefer to push MasterCard or Visa spend towards a non-Avios card instead (eg Hilton, IHG – the best MasterCard and Visa cards are in my article here).


Want to earn more points from credit cards? – April 2024 update

If you are looking to apply for a new credit card, here are our top recommendations based on the current sign-up bonuses.

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

Barclaycard Avios card

Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

You can see our full directory of all UK cards which earn airline or hotel points here. Here are the best of the other deals currently available.

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 20,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

40,000 bonus points and a huge range of valuable benefits – for a fee Read our full review

Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

15,000 bonus points and 1.5 points for every £1 you spend Read our full review

Earning miles and points from small business cards

If you are a sole trader or run a small company, you may also want to check out these offers:

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

Huge 30,000 points bonus until 12th May 2024 Read our full review

For a non-American Express option, we also recommend the Barclaycard Select Cashback card for sole traders and small businesses. It is FREE and you receive 1% cashback on your spending.

Barclaycard Select Cashback Business Credit Card

1% cashback uncapped* on all your business spending (T&C apply) Read our full review

Comments (196)

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  • pauldb says:

    Also valid for a couple to compare an Amex voucher to two Lloyds vouchers? £48 fees, £14k Amex/MC spend, and 96k avios saved, so more inline with the 241.

  • Yuff says:

    You should also mention how poor Lloyds customer service is compared to Amex. I spent over 2 hours on the phone, with Lloyds yesterday, a large chunk of that on hold being passed from CS
    , to the fraud department and eventually to the credit limit increase department which I gave up on holding to, as I had been on the phone almost 1 1/2 hrs by this point.
    Given different information by agents.
    It didn’t get resolved 🙁
    I like collecting avios but Lloyds make it painful.

    • Rob says:

      Oh yes, Lloyds is appalling in every sense. My wife had her card suspended on the grounds of suspected money laundering because I paid her bill from my account.

  • Chris Cannon says:

    Completely agree Rob. We make the BAPP card work for us every year without fail

  • Godfrey Wardle says:

    For those online retailers who don’t accept Amex I find that many do accept PayPal, which allows you to charge the transaction to your Amex card, thereby earning the higher rate of Avios.

  • William Avery says:

    I think the Lloyds is a great card especially given the low membership. The fact it allows you to return to London is exceedingly useful

    Rob – you mention the requirement only for CW to be available and not premium. Has the availability policy changed as I’m sure an agent has told me in the past there needs to be PE availability which is often harder to find.

  • William Avery says:

    I don’t doubt the issues with Lloyds customers services but I’ve never had any issues with them. Found them really helpful.

    I also think Avios CS have been fantastic in the past.

    Maybe I’ve been lucky.

  • Stu N says:

    2-4-1 is something we have done very well out of. Our vouchers have been used thus:
    2014 F outbound and J return to NYC booked pre-devaluation and flown early 2016.
    2015 short notice EDI-LHR-GVA trip that would have been £1,000+ on Easyjet including bags for about 20k avois and about £100 reward saver fees. Maybe not the best use but wouldn’t have been able to use it for long haul so a decent redemption in circumstances
    2016 – F/J peak summertime redemption to SEA for which J return hasn’t dropped below £6k for two of us, very good value
    2017 – F to Hong Kong in Spring next year. Availability seems to be restricted to the 777 flight but I’m sure that will be fine 🙂

    As long as you can generate the Avios to use it cost-effectively it’s a really powerful benefit.

    • Polly says:

      Stu,
      We have had similar F 241 trips to you over past 5 yrs, mainly to the Asia hubs KUL, HKG, SIN. If poss, we really only use them on F. For J we will always aim for the ex EU QR Asia J sales. In fact, some of us here have actually cancelled our BA F 241 Asia flights in favour of buying in the ex EU QR J sales. V g benefit, the 241, cancel it and BA return the avios.
      But, we have used a 241 in CE to HEL for a jump off trip, just to use it really. And then RFS constantly to DUB on short notice flights. Bought one last Friday at 4pm to leave that evening to DUB. Saving around £350 return. So a real benefit.
      But we would look at the 2x Lloyds for a NYC in J. That would also be v g value.
      Shame you lose the Lloyds voucher on cancelling tho.

      • Geoff says:

        Hi Polly, are you not Scotland based? It’s just the DUB redemptions threw me; am presuming you doing LHR-DUB for your circumstances.

        • Polly says:

          Geoff,
          We are near LHR, so use the route like a bus. T5 and being Silver have been a life saver at times. Literally!

  • Archie Bob says:

    Major sticking point for me is no First Class on the Lloyds card. BA Club World is just too poor to waste avios/cash on. I personally only see value from the Amex 241 with our annual redemption in First – only other avios redemptions worth while are BA RFS fares and use on partner airlines (with genuine business class cabins).

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