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Which is better – the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade voucher or BA American Express 2-4-1?

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The received wisdom, prior to the 2015 Avios devaluation, was that the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher was the best thing since sliced bread whilst the Lloyds Avios Rewards credit card upgrade voucher left something to be desired.

The 2015 changes to Avios reward pricing meant that the relative value of the two vouchers changed.  It often takes time for long-held opinions to change, even when the underlying facts are now different.  Is the Lloyds Avios Rewards card still second fiddle to the BAPP Amex 241?

In support of the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher ….

Let’s summarise the deal with the BA Amex card. When you spend £10,000 on the Premium Plus BA American Express card, you get a 2-4-1 voucher valid for TWO years on an Avios redemption in ANY class.

The ‘catches’ are that:

you can only use it on a BA flight starting in the UK

you cannot use it on a one-way TO the UK (one-way FROM the UK is fine) and

you pay full taxes on both tickets

The voucher on the free BA card is less attractive.  This article (click) explains why you should NOT try to earn a 2-4-1 voucher on the free British Airways Amex card.

Here is a good point we forget – if you cancel your redemption, you get your voucher back; the voucher is valid for 2 years from the date of issue (you must fly the outbound leg by this date)

Here are some bad points we forget – you need be travelling with someone else to use it; the £10,000 of spend can only be accumulated via American Express which excludes many small retailers and online payment providers for council tax etc

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

In some ways, the 241 voucher became MORE valuable. As Club World to New York jumped from 80,000 Avios to 120,000 (peak) or 100,000 Avios (off-peak), the voucher is saving you more Avios!

In other ways, the voucher is LESS valuable.  If you can no longer earn enough Avios each year to use it in Club World or First, you may use it for a less attractive redemption (say, World Traveller Plus or Club Europe) where the value you are getting per Avios point is lower.

In general, the BA Amex has NOT got less valuable.  It is simply that the Lloyds card has got more valuable.

In support of the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade vouchers ….

Following the scrapping of the Premier card earlier this year, there is now only one version of the Lloyds Avios Rewards card.

It comes with a £24 annual fee and offers you a voucher to upgrade a return reward flight – or two one-way flights – by one class when you spend £7,000.

Let’s be clear about one thing.  It is NOT an ‘upgrade’ voucher, despite the name.  It is a voucher which lets you book a redemption flight for the miles of a cheaper class.  You do NOT need Avios availability in the cheaper class, just in the class you want to fly.

For example, if you want to fly Club World, you do NOT need to find reward space in World Traveller Plus to ‘upgrade’.  You only need reward space in Club World, for which you are charged the World Traveller Plus price.

Here are some good points we forget – spending on BOTH the Amex and the MasterCard cards count towards the vouchers; the Lloyds card have no foreign exchange fees so you can boost your spend on holiday with no worries about being overcharged; the upgrade voucher is great for solo travellers; you only need to spend £7,000 to trigger it

Here are some bad points we forget – the upgrade voucher is LOST if you cancel your reward flight (although you can make date changes); the MasterCard has a very poor earning rate on spend (0.25 Avios per £1); you CANNOT use the upgrade voucher to fly in First Class; the voucher is only valid for ONE year from the date of issue (you must book by this date but can fly later)

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

With the 2015 changes, the multiplier between flight classes changed:

World Traveller Plus was 1.5x economy, it became 2x economy 

Club World was 2x, it is now 3x

First Class was 3x, it now 4x 

The Lloyds upgrade voucher would previously have saved you 20,000 Avios if travelling to New York in Club World, whilst the BA Amex 241 would have saved you 80,000 Avios.  Remember that Club World was 80,000 Avios and World Traveller Plus was 60,000 Avios. Put crudely, before April 2015 the BA Amex 241 was 4 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Today, if travelling to New York in Club World, the Lloyds voucher saves you 40,000 Avios on a peak day and 48,000 Avios on an off-peak day .  The BA Amex 241 voucher will save you 120,000 Avios on a peak day and 100,000 Avios on an off peak day.  This has substantially increased what you can save.  Put crudely, after April 2015 the BA Amex 241 is now only 2-3 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Let’s compare a typical redemption

Sticking with our New York Club World redemption, let’s see how five redemption options compare using different credit card reward vouchers:

Two Club World seats, off-peak dates, flights to New York on British Airways:

No credit card – 200,000 Avios required

BA Amex (free version) – no fee, spend £20,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios, saving you 100,000 Avios

BA Premium Plus Amex – pay a £195 card fee and spend £10,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios – saving you 100,000 Avios

Lloyds Avios Rewards – pay a £24 card fee and spend £7,000 across either the Amex or MasterCard and one person travels for 52,000 Avios (the WTP cost).  The other pays the standard price of 100,000 Avios.  You save 48,000 Avios.

The British Airways Premium Plus option is STILL the best deal for a couple, I think.  It has never made sense for a solo traveller – the best options if you travel alone are in this article.

However, you are restricted to one BA Amex voucher per person per year.  A couple can have a Premium Plus card each, of course, but you are then looking at £20,000 of Amex spend per year to trigger both vouchers – this is not easy.

A more interesting scenario would be to get the Lloyds Avios Rewards card and use it ALONGSIDE your British Airways Premium Plus card.

Here are some good reasons why:

The fee on the Lloyds card is only £24 per year so your sunk cost is low

With no foreign exchange fee, it is a better card to use for your holiday spending than a British Airways Amex with its 3% fee

You can use it for bills such as council tax where you can often use a Visa or MasterCard but not an American Express

Between the second and third points above, triggering the upgrade voucher at £7,000 should not be too difficult.  It should not make a big difference to how long it takes to trigger the voucher on your BAPP Amex if you have close to £7,000 of annual overseas spend or spend at ‘non Amex’ retailers.

In conclusion

Don’t cancel your British Airways Premium Plus American Express.  The 2-4-1 voucher, for a couple, remains the best deal available on ANY loyalty credit or charge card.

The Lloyds Avios Rewards card has a decent claim for being added alongside it.  Whether you should do it depends on how many Avios holidays you book per year, how much money you spend on credit cards per year and whether you would prefer to push MasterCard or Visa spend towards a non-Avios card instead (eg Hilton, IHG – the best MasterCard and Visa cards are in my article here).


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In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

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You can see our full directory of all UK cards which earn airline or hotel points here. Here are the best of the other deals currently available.

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

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The Platinum Card from American Express

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Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

15,000 bonus points and 1.5 points for every £1 you spend Read our full review

Earning miles and points from small business cards

If you are a sole trader or run a small company, you may also want to check out these offers:

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

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American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

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Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

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Comments (196)

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  • Martin says:

    Newbie question here. I got the BAPP card in Feb 2017 and about to hit £10k spent this month to get the 2-4-1 voucher. What card should I use for my next £10k spend to maximise benefit? Obviously using the same BAPP card will _not_ generate another 2-4-1 voucher (since I can only get that once a year). Many thanks.

    • Genghis says:

      Refer partner for a BAPP (for sign up bonus or £10k spend if you’ll make use of another 241)? And pay taxes on that BAPP for 3 avios/£?

      • Martin says:

        Thanks, Genghis. Great suggestion. Two questions:
        1. What do you mean by “pay taxes on that BAPP for 3 avios/£”?
        2. My wife’s income is very low because she only runs a small side business while mostly managing the family (2 kids) – would she be accepted for her own BAPP if I refer her?

        Thanks again.

        • Polly says:

          Yes, she probably would, as they ask for other household income on the application. Sorry your next ? Came in before l had replied to you..

        • pauldb says:

          1: Went you redeem your first 241, pay the taxes (c£1000 if longhaul) on the new second card (must be an Amex but any Amex will suffice) so it counts towards the second card’s £10k. Spend with BA gets 3avios/£, which you’d miss out on if you’ve downgraded or cancelled your own BAPP by then.

          • Martin says:

            Crystal clear, thanks!

            So it sounds like the plan of action is:
            1. Refer my wife to her new BAPP (she gets sign up bonus avios and I get referral bonus avios)
            2. I downgrade my BAPP to BACC (get 50% annual fee refunded)
            3. When I redeem the 241 pay taxes on my wife’s BAPP to count towards her £10k spend

            Just to confirm, if I downgrade my BAPP to BACC, the expiration for my 241 voucher will still be 2 years, right?

            Thanks!!

          • Genghis says:

            @Martin. Yes, still 2 years.

          • fbrj says:

            Are you 100% sure about this (paying taxes on redemption using a new, different, BAPP)?
            Recently we were in exactly this situation and I looked up the T&C which state:
            “The Cardmember is responsible for paying any Taxes, Fees and Charges relating to their Companion Voucher booking. All Taxes, Fees and Charges must be paid for using the British Airways American Express Card.” [note: it say “the” card not “a” card]

            A Cardmember is defined as:
            “…..the main Account holder within a British Airways American Express Card Account (a “Cardmember”).”

            As you cannot have 2 different BAPPS (2 different ppl) in one account I read that as only I could pay the taxes using my BAPP, and not somebody else’s.

          • Rob says:

            Amex does not do name checking. You can put in your name as the cardholder and, as long as you use the address of the real cardholder, it will process.

            This doesn’t work for Visa or MasterCard who do check names before approving online transactions.

          • Genghis says:

            @fbrj Done it many times. With many things in this game, what T&Cs say and what happens in reality can be very different. Only invoke T&Cs when they’re to your advantage.

          • fbrj says:

            Genghis – thanks for the info. Good to know for another time!

        • Alan says:

          Paying the taxes/fees/charges on the BAPP when you come to redeem the 241 will earn at 3x Avios rate as it is BA spend.

    • Polly says:

      Or get referred for the GOLD PRG card 1st yr no fee, and 10k bonus MRs after 1st year, if £15k spend. And / or refer OH for a BAPP, drop to free BAPP., pro rata fee returned, if not chasing the 2nd 241. So each of you has one card going, but different classification. And reverse the rotation after a year or less, if brave!

      • Martin says:

        @Polly, thanks. Curious about your last statement about “reverse the rotation”. Once I’ve downgraded to the free BACC and my wife gets her BAPP, once she hits £10k spending on her BAPP and unlocks a second 241 voucher, what needs to happen next? Do I upgrade by free BACC back to BAPP and she downgrades her BAPP to the free BACC? If we go this way, what’s the risk, and I assume there will be no more bonus avios involved since an “upgrade” is not the same as a “new application”, right?

        • Polly says:

          Martin
          To be clearer..As soon as her BAPP is approved, cancel your BACC. All the spend now goes on her BAPP. .Once your wife hits the 241 spend, and voucher is banked in her baec, she drops down to BACC blue card. pro rata refund….but holds onto the blue card for continuing spend if ness. She should be getting a PRG by then anyway !

          Meantime you have to wait at least 6/12 from cancelling until she refers you back for your new BAPP. We wait 8/12 tho. So really only one of you should be a using a BAPP or BACC at any one time. So NO, never re u/g back to BAPP unless urgently chasing another 241. Just wait the time out and be referred back. So you both get the referral and spend bonus each year…

          In the meantime whilst you are waiting for your next BA Amex referral, you should have got into a gold PRG rotation with her. We usually do this on a 8-10 mth rotation. So get referred for PRG by Rob or one of us. So the only real fee you have is before the pro rata refund from the BAPP. Miles should be 9k + 26k + 9k + 26k, for your 2x BAPP.
          PRG gold earnings are 9k, 20k, 9k, 20k. X2 PRG. You can also u/g to Plat from Gold get 20k extra MRs >avios, then cancel the plat with prop rata refund. That’s pushing it tho. But many do. Once you are putting several k through the cards annually, Amex don’t seem to mind. They get a fee every time you flash the card anyway. Check out the PRG too.
          Probably this is clear as mud, but it’s late! Hope it helps clarify…

  • Alan says:

    Lloyds voucher is fantastic – had two good redemptions with it so far. Being able to start outside the UK is very handy too. Just wish they offered something for spend over £7k or the ability to delay the voucher triggering immediately.

    I know also reports of poor CS – not something I’ve had (apart from their lack of info to customers re hitting spend target), although it seems like the compensation they then offer tends to outweigh the poor CS, made me wish my Avios hadn’t been posting automatically!

    For true comparison for 2 pax should consider 2x cards – £48 fee/£14k target/96k Avios saved with one year to book, thus almost two years before need to travel is a pretty appealing proposition vs free BA card, I’d say.

    Of course how long it has to go is the worry. I’ve got another voucher ready to trigger as soon as I want, hope I can get one more voucher (that’ll make 4 since having the card) before it gets pulled…

  • SLS says:

    Completely agree with this. I keep the BA card for our joint travel and figured I would accept the £24 fee for no fx fees and the bonus of the voucher for solo travel / one way when we both travel. I just need to get better at the choices I make with the lloyds voucher! Kind of wasted last years on an Ibiza trip. Flying back on the 230am in business after an evening of drinking wasn’t the most effective us of the complimentary food and drink!

  • Liz says:

    You can book one way back to the uK with the Lloyds voucher but you must do it over the phone as it can’t be done online at midnight when the flights appear.

  • Wally1976 says:

    OT – are others having problems accessing the Hotel Benefits pages for the Amex Platinum? My wife has a new platinum card and on both her account and mine when we select ‘Platinum Travel’ then ‘Hotel Benefits’ we get a screen saying “Authorisation error” and asking to log back in.

    • Richard says:

      Yep, same here. Can’t get it to work for supp card

    • Drav says:

      yes I was having the same problem last week

    • New Card says:

      Have had same problem. However click through via “Benefits Directory” and it seems to work!

    • Nate1309 says:

      It was like that last week. I got around it by going to the benefits directory and clicking through the link to what I wanted there.

  • Drav says:

    it appears to me that if you are a couple, the BA 2-4-1 *may* save you more avios in terms of pure numbers, but if you had 2 lloyds vouchers, you benefit from enhanced flexibility (can book flights ex-EU, can book flights back to the UK).

    And if anything, if you are able to spend 17k each it makes sense to get both and have both tools in your armoury?

    • Drav says:

      not to mention by doing long haul J ex EU, you can save a significant amount of taxes which has not been factored into the analysis in the article

      • Polly says:

        Yes, Drav, we were just reminded of that last ex eu fact by Tangey and Liz just back there. Really good point if factoring in APD costs either way. Another real benefit, if looking at reduced card fees paid all round. Run both cards side by side too.
        Best get bonus spends and referrals in on other Amex cards along the way, as either way you need the avios compiled in the first place to spend. Thus again, the challenge.

        • Sean says:

          You can also leave from Jersey or Inverness to reduce the APD and still use the Amex 2for1

      • Andrew (@andrewseftel) says:

        You can use the 241 ex INV or JER though.

    • Sebastian says:

      Can you use the Lloyds voucher on on BA metal? Or does it always have to be on BA?

  • Jimmyjimmy says:

    OT – anyone received the 15,000 Pts on the current AA card offer.
    I meet the spend and only received 5,000. I believe 15,000 should hit when spend made not 5,000 on first spend etc.
    Ta
    J

  • zark says:

    As you can use the Lloyds voucher as a one way redemption (perhaps another voucher on the outbound…), if two of you are flying from Hong Kong or Brazil on BA to London, you will not pay BA’s fees, just a small amount for local airport fees etc. Both Hong Kong and Brazilian authorities ban imposition of these fees for tickets originating there. This saves £165 each on a BA business redemption from Hong Kong.
    However if you use the 241 you will pay these fees as you have to originate in London and fees are charged based on where the ticket is issued.

    • RTS says:

      That’s what we did. We flew out on PE virgin and returned on LLoyds upgraded BA Business. £340 tax all in.

      Probably would have saved another couple of hundred £s if we flew ex EU but CBA with the connection.

      • h1tvd says:

        So how many virgin miles and avios did you need to do this? We have enough avios for the return using a lloyds voucher. Not sure how many virgin miles we need for the outbound though? Looking at maybe Las Vegas or LA next September.

        • RTS says:

          We used a total of (for 2 people travelling):

          Avios on BA Business via upgrade voucher = 78k and £67 tax
          Virgin miles in PE = 45k and £602 tax

          • Tracy says:

            We could definitely manage that. Will look into Virgin out, ba return. Thanks

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