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Are you still having issues with your Lloyds Avios Rewards Amex after the November hack?

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In November, Lloyds suffered a very serious fraud issue on the American Express cards issued as part of the Lloyds Avios Rewards MasterCard and Amex double packWe first highlighted it on HfP and it was picked up by a lot of the national press including the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail.

A large number of fake cards – apparently with functioning signature strips – suddenly started being used across the US.  Someone had got hold of enough Amex card data to be able to physically create fake cards, presumably with some sort of fake card design in order to fool shop assistants.

The response from Lloyds was to block all of the affected American Express cards from working in the US and to re-issue them with new numbers.

A reader got in touch last week with an update on his situation.  Despite having got a new Amex card with a new number, Lloyds was still blocking it in the US.  This was a major problem for the reader who makes a lot of $ purchases for his small business using the card.

Before Lloyds actually admitted to this, in a later separate telephone call, he was fed a stack of nonsense from the Lloyds call centre:

  • “I was told (repeatedly) that it was the fault of the retailer as they were blocking it and Lloyds couldn’t do anything because it wasn’t them blocking it
  • I escalated to a manager but they just told me the same thing over and over and would not accept it was the fault of Lloyds and suggested I contact the websites about it.
  • When I told them it is happening on multiple US websites (I buy a lot of service for my business), I was told I had to speak to each of them individually as they may be blocking all American Express cards
  • I explained that my Amex-issued Amex cards worked fine, as did my Lloyds Mastercard and it was happening on ALL US websites so it must be related to my Lloyds Amex but they wouldn’t accept this at all
  • I was told this wasn’t affecting any other Lloyds cardholders “or they would have known about it”
  • I was told repeatedly and categorically that it wasn’t related to the recent “issue” in the US
  • I asked to make a complaint but was told this wasn’t possible as it wasn’t the fault of Lloyds and therefore all I could was offer my feedback”

Getting Lloyds to finally admit in a follow-up call that they were still blocking his new card was not the end of the matter, unfortunately.

His new Amex card is not earning any Avios.

Now, a small but significant percentage of Lloyds Avios Rewards credit cards do not earn Avios points.  No-one seems to have got to the bottom of this.  We first wrote about it here.  Lloyds promises to fix it for you in six months but in reality even that is beyond them.  They are at least now paying cash compensation to people impacted.

What is odd here is that the reader was earning Avios, but it was only when his Amex was reissued that he dropped into the minority who do not receive points.  It is all very odd.

Do let me know if you are still having issues with your Lloyds Avios Rewards American Express card following the November hack.


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Comments (55)

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  • guesswho2000 says:

    No issues with the Amex (although I haven’t tried), but I was having issues with the Mastercard until Xmas eve.

    Hadn’t used the cards for nearly a year until the week before Xmas, tried several times to make an online payment with the MC, all rejected over the course of the week. Called Lloyds, who said they had no record of any attempt (although it definitely went through Clicksafe, or whatever it is online that asks you for a password when you pay), and that there was no issue with the account. Magically, they then started working and two transactions were approved simultaneously.

    No idea if it’s in any way relevant, but thought I’d throw my experiences in!

  • Nate says:

    OT – have Amex platinum and just referred wife for card. I have a number of MR points and previously have been able to transfer them to my wife (and vice versa) therefore maintaining some flexibility without having to commit to any airline scheme. However when I called this week I was told it was not possible and I would have to convert them to avios or other partners. Have Amex changed their terms and conditions because I remember Rob running an article earlier in the year saying it was fine to transfer points to spouses?

  • Yan says:

    Seems to depend on merchant or type of transaction? Have had issues with contactless payment (Starbucks) on Lloyds Amex but the MC worked fine.

    • Martin says:

      Some merchants that accept Amex just don’t accept it contactlessly – Wilko is one, is it possible that Starbucks is another? I don’t drink enough of their coffee to know…

      • RussellH says:

        AFAIK, terminals have to be activated in order to take contactless payments, and just as Amex has to be set up separately on the terminal for chip+PIN transactions, it also needs to be done separately for contactless.

        Too many retailers just do not realise that they need to activate Amex contactless.

  • Tracy Regan says:

    Both my husband and I have had our Lloyd’s Amex cards replaced due to this issue. My card was actually used in the USA. However Lloyd’s did not proactively contact us and it only came to light when they blocked our cards. This caused a problem as we were going abroad the day after my husbands card was stopped meaning we could not use this to pay for our spending which would have counted towards an upgrade voucher. My view is that as soon as they knew of the issue, customers should have been contacted and their cards replaced rather than waiting for them to use the card and then blocking it. I’ve just checked my account and I am still earning Avios. It has made me wonder if this will affect the £7000 spend for the upgrade voucher.

  • Martin says:

    They really don’t sound very competent at this while credit card thing, do they?

    By the way, in the second paragraph, do you mean msg stripes rather than signature strips?

    • Martin says:

      some irony in me putting a typo in my correction – I mean mag stripes, of course.

  • L says:

    I’ve found the Amex now rejecting when swiped in the US and prompting the cashier for a voice authorisation code – but entering the 3-digit number on the back (not the 4-digit) approves it… strange behaviour I’ve not seen before

  • John L says:

    My experience has been that from the start I was not being credited with avios, I was awarded £250 compensation and now have past and present avios credited. In November I had several fraudulent US transactions on my account, most have been rectified, however the most interesting point is that they were all on my wife’s AMX supplementary card which has never left the house since delivery and has never made a purchase, not even online, now they have sent me a further £150 compensation.

  • Frenske says:

    The issues I had with Lloyds credit cards a couple of years ago convinced me never to open an account with them!

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