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Some more cheerless news about the new ‘densified’ British Airways short-haul aircraft

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We have known for some time that British Airways is moving at speed to add even more seats to its short-haul Airbus fleet.  The exact details are only starting to emerge now as cabin crew are sent for retraining.

A few weeks I reported how duty free is being dropped from British Airways short-haul flights.  This is because a rear toilet in Euro Traveller (economy) is being removed to fit in more seats, and replaced by a loo built into the back wall of the galley.  The loo will take up part of the space formerly occupied by the duty free trolley. The Club Europe loo at the front remains.

Club Europe British Airways

A member of BA cabin crew posted the following additional information on Flyertalk over the weekend, some of which is new.  This only applies to Heathrow services for now, as the A319 aircraft will be moved over to Gatwick:

The first twelve rows of seating (A320) or fourteen rows (A321) will retain the current seats.  USB and standard power sockets will be added.

Seats in the rest of the aircraft will be replaced by ultra-thin seats with a 29 inch pitch.  From March, there will be a substantial benefit in being seated in the first 12 or 14 rows.

The ultra-thin seats will not recline (fine by me, to be honest)

The ultra-thin seats will have USB sockets but no standard plugs.

Sales of Club Europe tickets will be capped on longer flights as there will no longer be enough galley space to store meal trays beyond a certain point.  This is not an issue on shorter flights as the meal is served on one tray.

The new aircraft being received by BA from March will not have drop down monitors.  This means that cabin crew will do manual safety demonstrations and there will be no ‘moving map’ to watch.  This is a fuel saving measure due to weight.

There will be no waste facilities or potable water supply at the rear of the plane, again due to the need to free up space to fit in the loo.  This means that all waste will be carried through Club Europe for disposal at the front, and all requests for free tap water will require a trip to the Club Europe galley.

The Club Europe wardrobe will remain but will also be used for general storage and may not be available for coats – the crew member quoted was not sure

Very little of this is enticing, but apparently we only have ourselves to blame for refusing to spend 1p more than a low cost carrier for our flights.  Even though BA will always cost 1p more than a low cost carrier due to the £19.30 per person Heathrow Passenger Service Charge …..

In other news ….

There are two more cheerful bits of BA short haul news.

The Qatar Airways planes are coming back.  There is a rumour that six Qatar Airways short haul aircraft will be returning to the fleet for February, March and April.  This is to provide cover whilst the A320 and A321 aircraft are refurbished as well as helping BA meet its obligations to use the Monarch slots at Gatwick it just purchased, but must ‘use or lose’.

The Flyertalk post mentioned above also reiterated – as has been said before – that Club Europe catering will receive (another) relaunch in April.  Let’s hope it is more successful than the last one, which was seemingly designed by a 50-year old ex-public schoolboy who believed that the modern business traveller jetting in from Milan wants a ploughmans lunch.  I am slightly surprised that the crew don’t pass around a jar of pickled eggs. 

Just to keep it very simple for BA …. Pret had sales of £776m last year.  They have already done the market research. If Pret don’t sell it, let’s just assume that no-one wants it and move on …..


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Comments (178)

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  • Ian says:

    A little off topic but my mother’s BA points are coming close to expiry. If she transfers them to an Avios account will that count as ‘collecting’ Avios and give her another 36 months?

    Thanks

  • shd says:

    If you’re talking about the cheapest short-haul European flights, the £19.30 LHR Passenger Service Charge is a complete red herring.

    BA’s **base fares** to/from LHR are what makes BA expensive at LHR, not the LHR PSC!

    Over at LGW – which also has a Passenger Service Charge (£13.10) – BA has to compete with the LCCs, so publishes properly low base fares. At LHR there’s no need for BA to compete, so no need for really low fares.

    Solution: build a 3rd (and possibly 4th) runway at LHR, and don’t give *any* of the new slots to BA. That might start to level the playing field.

    • John says:

      Well at LHR BA is competing with Lufty/LX/OS/EW, AFKLM, SAS, LOT etc. (including on long-haul although APD/PSC means ex-UK fares will always be relatively unattractive to continental residents) so maybe you can ask all the other European airlines to reduce their fares first.

      I continue to use BA out of LHR because none of the other airlines offer anything close to RFS pricing, and the F wing brings the security screening up to T2 standards, so I can live with the slightly worse GF lounge.

      • shd says:

        APD/PSC has almost nothing do with BA’s lack of properly cheap short-haul fares in and out of LHR.

        Example: BA’s low fare finder to Frankfurt. BA says the lowest fare is “£51 each-way” (even when you’re searching for a return, the price in bold at BA.com is *each way*, so half the actual total price. nice bit of misdirection) then you click through and suddenly the price jumps as BA.com preselects a Plus fare, even though the £51 mentioned is for Basic. Once you’ve clicked again to get back to Basic the BA round-trip ends up costing you £100.40. The BA.com whole fare finding and booking process has all the shitty Ryanair-style upselling and misdirection tricks, except the price isn’t even that low!

        Oh, speaking of Ryanair, you can fly STN-FRA-STN with them for £20.38, round-trip, all-in.

        There is no way I’d pay £80 more of my own money to fly BA short-haul economy. Anyone who does either lives way too close to LHR, or is absolutely bonkers.

        • Graeme says:

          Absolutely. Without wanting to get into the whole ‘Ryanair are evil/rubbish’ debate, there’s no choice to make for me when you’re looking at similar times.

  • Bkev says:

    Rob is wrong by saying that the ultra thin seats will not recline.

    These seats have been “pre-reclined for your maximum comfort.”

  • Alex W says:

    Just imagine what will happen when the single toilet is out of order. Chaos!

  • Catalan says:

    I flew on easyJet last year. The entire cabin was fitted with the non-reclineable seats. It wasn’t too uncomfortable and at least stopped the person in front from reclining into my personal space.

  • Sussex Bantam says:

    So – looking at the glass half full – the removal of the drop down screens means no more of that awful safety video, I almost never use the loo during a SH flight and I quite like a ploughmans…

    • shd says:

      Agree re: the safety video 😉

    • John says:

      I think cabin crew find it awful too, I’ve only seen it about 3 times in 10+ flights. My wife, who didn’t go on all the trips with me, was almost looking forward to seeing it but the crew kept deciding to do manaul demos (and it’s not the same if you just youtube it).

  • Sean says:

    So the screens and associated cabling add to much weight to the airplane? I suppose that the infrastructure for all the in seat power weighs nothing at all. Way less than for the screens. You betcha.

    • Tim says:

      at seat power means that they want you to watch your own screen which they can then profit from by asking you to pay for WiFI access.

  • Paul W says:

    A “50 year old public school boy” ????????????????

    Your point on Pret doing the market research is valid, I would go further and say that in Club Europe I’m expecting a bit more than Pret. I tend not to drink Champagne at Pret 🙂

    As for ploughman’s, it’s aligned in keeping it “British”, but it’s smacks of the eighties to me (I’m not a fan either)

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