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What Curve Card’s email yesterday about ATM cash machine usage means

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

If you have a Curve Card, you will have received an email from them yesterday which you may have found a little confusing.

There is a big Curve announcement coming this week which I will cover on Thursday morning.  If you don’t know about Curve, I will run a full explanation in that article.  You can also learn more in this HfP article.

I spoke with Curve’s CEO yesterday to get an understanding of what is going on.

Curve card ATM changes

As many Curve cardholders have discovered, Curve has a decline rate which is higher than standard credit cards

A key reason for this is that all Curve transactions carry the same merchant reference code.  Standard credit card transactions are coded based on the type of retailer or, for big companies, the exact retailer name.  Unfortunately, when your underlying credit card issuer sees transaction after transaction coming through marked as ‘general’, it can trigger fraud concerns.

In order to improve acceptance, Curve transactions will now carry a merchant reference code which reflects the underlying transaction.  Your underlying credit card company will now see a mix of retailer types coming through instead of just ‘general’, ‘general’, ‘general’ etc.

Another upside here is that it will trigger sector-based and, for large retailers with their own merchant code, company-based promotions.  For example, the HSBC Premier World Elite Mastercard – until the end of the month – offers a £20 Uber credit for a £500 airline transaction.  A bonus like this should now trigger if you paid with Curve as it would now carry an airline merchant code.

However …..

As part of this recoding, ATM withdrawals made using Curve will now be identifiable as cash transactions by your card issuer.

It is important to note that, short term, my understanding is that there should NOT be charges for making ATM withdrawals with Curve.  However, over time, it is possible that individual credit card companies will make changes to treat these transactions as cash withdrawals.

ATM withdrawals made using Curve when it is linked to a debit card will continue to be free regardless.

We have seen the same thing happen with Revolut.  Some credit card companies have changed their terms and conditions recently to treat Revolut transactions as pseudo-cash, and so incurring cash withdrawal fees.  Other credit card companies have not, so you can load your Revolt card from those credit cards and have it treated as a purchase, earning miles and points.  Our main article on Revolut including a HfP special offer for applying is here.

Conclusion

For now, you should be able to continue making £200 per month of ATM withdrawals with Curve Card and have them treated as a purchase, earning miles and points on the underlying card.  Keep an eye on your emails and card statements, however, as you may receive notice from your underlying issuer that this will change.

You can find out more about Curve in this article.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.


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Comments (270)

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  • Michael says:

    I also given up on Curve. Great idea, badly executed:
    – Lots of issues with accepting the card (e.g. HMRC’s childcare account, council tax…etc)
    – Terrible customer service providing contradicting information
    – Communication to customers: you don’t announce changes on a Friday and send an email about 4 days later…

  • Marcw says:

    It’s the Curve(d) bubble. Do you think Curve would still exist if HfP would have not promoted it?

    • Rob says:

      They are on 100,000 users now. I doubt we have driven more than 5,000, although you need to add friends of HFP users.

      • Alan says:

        I’ve certainly referred about 5 folks, but even if others were the same agree that would only be 25k.

    • Alex Sm says:

      They started as an ‘elite club’ by charging hefty £35 to join the ‘club’ (which I still can’t get refunded!) and now they give people £5 to take up the card.
      I am not sure if this is a good or bad sign to be honest….

  • Lumma says:

    Does anyone know what happens if your card company treat a Curve ATM withdrawal as a cash advance but then you “Went back in time” and swapped the card you used as getting a refund is obviously impossible with a regular cash advance?

    • john says:

      I was considering doing that last night too..

    • Peter K says:

      This did not work with Tesco earlier this year, people were still charged a fee, though the original withdrawl was refunded.

    • Alan says:

      They should then refund the charge – certainly reasonable basis to ask for it to be done manually if it doesn’t happen automatically although agree Tesco weren’t exactly keen!

  • Simon B says:

    Rob, may be a case for paying some corporation tax earller than end of the year deadline to ensure the current benefits are received?

  • Tim W says:

    One benefit of Curve not mentioned so far I think – the debit version can be linked to an underlying credit card. So can be used in places which will accept debit but not credit cards, thus still accruing rewards on the underlying card. I’ve just paid for a new car that way! Disappointing about the ATM arrangements though.

    • Roger1* says:

      Ah, the original USP anf the reason I signed up. 🙂

      As for cash, surely most HFPers have a regular source. In my case, it’s the Nationwide FlexPlus debit card.

  • berneslai says:

    I could never get the credit card withdrawal to work anyway. It always appeared as successful on the Curve app but rarely was I ever allowed to get money out of the ATM. No real loss to me – a good idea, poorly executed.

  • Lev441 says:

    O/t but curved based question. Has anyone successfully got a higher limit than the £50,000 per annum enhanced limit listed on their website?

  • howard says:

    HMRC only works if you have the Debit Version which they will change for you if you have the other version of the card. I have found it works fine with HMRC subject to the limits of course.

    Whilst this works I will keep the card. Mine is linked to the Virgin Free Card which is 0.75 points per £.

    Personally I found Customer Service quite good.

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