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Why even peak-time Economy Avios redemptions have become poor value

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The general mantra about using airline miles, especially those like Avios which impose hefty fuel surcharges, goes like this – ‘redeeming for Economy flights is a waste of miles’.

In general, of course, this is true.  If you try to use Lufthansa Miles & More miles for an economy short-haul flight from Heathrow to Frankfurt, it wants £82 in tax – plus an astonishing 35,000 miles – for an economy short-haul redemption, a truly ludicrous figure.

British Airways managed to knock this problem on the head for short-haul redemptions by introducing Reward Flight SaverBA rarely gets the credit it deserves for being the only European airline to tackle the problem of ‘taxes and charges’ on short haul.

By capping taxes on European flights at £35 in Economy / Euro Traveller, you will usually be getting around 1p per Avios of value.  This is ‘real’ value as you would otherwise have bought the ticket for cash – not ‘finger in the air’ value based on some notional value of how much you would pay for a business class seat.

Is it true that long haul economy redemptions are a terrible use of Avios?

Almost three years ago, I ran an interesting experiment which showed that – in many cases – redeeming Avios for peak season Economy / World Traveller long haul flights was often decent value.  Not every route, by a long way, but there were some deals to be had.  The widely held view that all long haul Economy redemptions are rubbish was wrong.

Today I thought we would see what has changed.  The answer is ‘quite a lot’ – and not in a good way.

Here is a sample of British Airways pricing from their Low Fare Finder tool.

These are the CHEAPEST Economy return tickets available during August 2019 at the present time.  Remember that these flights may be at inconvenient times or inconvenient days of the week.  In reality, the flights most convenient for you may be pricier, so it is possible that in reality the results will not be as bad.  These are also ‘hand baggage only’ fares, and Avios tickets come with a free suitcase.

I compare the cash cost to the ‘Avios plus taxes’ cost.  To be fair to BA, I only looked at flights departing between 1st August and 24th August 2019.  Prices tend to dip in late August because of the Bank Holiday but this is too late for anyone with children who return to school in the first week of September.

New York – £428 or 40,000 Avios + £375

Miami – £499 or 50,000 Avios + £375

Las Vegas – £709 or 50,000 Avios + £375

San Francisco – £481 or 50,000 Avios + £375

Barbados – £574 or 50,000 Avios + £336

Mumbai – £609 or 50,000 Avios + £324

Hong Kong – £719 or 60,000 Avios + £347

Singapore – £598 or 70,000 Avios + £362

The ‘pence per Avios’ score comes out like this:

New York – 0.13p

Miami – 0.25p

Las Vegas – 0.67p

San Francisco – 0.21p

Barbados – 0.48p

Mumbai – 0.57p

Hong Kong – 0.62p

Singapore – 0.47p

British Airways 777 300ER

Have long haul Avios redemptions always been such poor value?

No.

I ran this same example almost three years ago.  In general:

the price of cash flights is generally the same or a little lower on most routes (I am comparing August 2016 flights booked in March 2016 vs August 2019 flights booked in January 2019)

the taxes and charges on economy redemptions have crept up by about £75 for the US and £35 elsewhere

More importantly:

in 2017, BA made ALL of August ‘peak’ in terms of redemption pricing.  Until then, ALL Tuesday and Wednesday flights were treated as ‘off peak’ irrespective of the month.  Here is the 2019 peak and off-peak Avios calendar.  This makes a MASSIVE difference.  New York, for example, jumps from 26000 Avios – if you could have travelled on a Tuesday or Wednesday in August – to 40000 Avios.

The net result is that using Avios for BA Economy flights has become substantially poorer value over the last couple of years.  When I ran this test in March 2016 I concluded that we had potentially been unfair in writing off all economy redemptions as poor value.  Today, I am less convinced.

The list below compares:

the value per Avios for a BA economy flight for travel 1-24th August 2019 (taking the lowest BA cash fare on sale in January 2019 and using peak rate Avios pricing as August is now ‘all peak’)

versus

the value per Avios for a BA Economy flight in August 2016 (taking the lowest BA cash fare on sale in March 2016 and assuming the Avios redemption was done on a Tuesday or Wednesday to pay the off-peak rate)

There are three caveats to this data:

Cash pricing is for ‘hand baggage only’ fares, so the Avios option improves if you are taking luggage

Avios tickets are refundable for a £35 fee whilst cash tickets are non-refundable

On the other hand, cash tickets will earn Avios back when you fly

Here we go:

New York – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.13p   August 2016 value per Avios: 0.50p

Miami – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.25p   August 2016 value per Avios: 0.74p

Las Vegas – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.67p   August 2016 value per Avios: 1.37p

San Francisco – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.21p   August 2016 value per Avios: 0.92p

Barbados – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.48p   August 2016 value per Avios: 0.91p

Mumbai – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.57p   August 2016 value per Avios: 0.75p

Hong Kong – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.62p  August 2016 value per Avios: 1.28p

Singapore – August 2019 value per Avios: 0.47p  August 2016 value per Avios: 0.60p

This is shocking.  Not just in terms of the appalling ‘pence per Avios’ value received – even the ‘best’ route I looked at doesn’t come close to a level where I could justify redeeming, unless I wanted flexibility to cancel – but also how the value has been slowly chipped away.

Like a frog boiling in a saucepan, the combination of:

flat or lower cash fares, partly from the launch of ‘hand baggage only’ on long haul

higher taxes and charges on Economy redemptions, and

the removal of off-peak Avios dates during August

…. has cumulatively crept up on us without being fully noticed.  It has wiped out much of the value of the Avios scheme for the ‘average’ customer looking to redeem during the school holiday for long haul economy flights.

Of course, on certain higher priced dates and factoring in luggage fees, the value you get can be a lot better but the base line valuation for long haul Economy redemptions is now pretty darn low.


How to earn Avios from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (April 2024)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

Barclaycard Avios card

Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending £15,000 Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points. These points convert at 1:1 into Avios.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 20,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

40,000 bonus points and a huge range of valuable benefits – for a fee Read our full review

Run your own business?

We recommend Capital on Tap for limited companies. You earn 1 Avios per £1 which is impressive for a Visa card, along with a sign-up bonus worth 10,500 Avios.

Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

Huge 30,000 points bonus until 12th May 2024 Read our full review

You should also consider the British Airways Accelerating Business credit card. This is open to sole traders as well as limited companies and has a 30,000 Avios sign-up bonus.

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

There are also generous bonuses on the two American Express Business cards, with the points converting at 1:1 into Avios. These cards are open to sole traders as well as limited companies.

American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

Comments (165)

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  • Optimus Prime says:

    OT – A few minutes ago I got an email and text message with an Amex one-time password for my Platinum card. I guess they got hold of my cc number from the BA data breach.

    Have just spoken with Amex live chat and they said I don’t have to do anything, that they’ll reverse any unauthorised charges. Surely it’d be safer to issue a new card?

    • @mkcol says:

      Tell them you’ve lost your card & you need a new one.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      There are so many data breaches we don’t even know about that I don’t think we should automatically blame BA.

      If you are concerned just say you’ve lost your card online and you’ll get a new one.

      • Optimus Prime says:

        Actually my time to cancel my Platinum and refer OH is next month so I guess I can just keep an eye out for a few more weeks.

        • Optimus Prime says:

          Spoke too early… A $8.49 transaction at “Nine Bar & Night Club” has just popped up on my mobile app. They’re sending me a new card.

    • Anna says:

      If you didn’t authorise it with the one time code, how has the transaction gone through?

      • Optimus Prime says:

        Must have been a different transaction. It did come through two afters the one-time password which is only valid for 10 minutes.

        • meta says:

          Looks like the fraudsters are in full action today. I had an unauthorised transaction at John Lewis for £1005.95 on my BAPP. First they did a small transaction of £0.10 to test and then the main transaction. I used the card with BA during data breach… It was also sorted with Amex in under 10 minutes and they’re sending a new card. Hope BA is compensating Amex heavily…

    • Mr. AC says:

      Interesting. I’ve never had Amex send me an OTP at all…

  • jason says:

    OT miles redemption to New Zealand….looking at options i have lots of virgin and BA miles plus 2 2:1 BA vouchers. Anybody got any experience looking at Xmas next year.

    Thanks

    • TripRep says:

      Jason – asked this a couple of weeks ago, have now postponed the trip for another time, decided another trip to Florida was easier & more relaxing plus heaps better value.

      Considering that BA CW 241 rtn to SYD = rare as Rocking horse ……

      Think about 241 to these Asia hubs
      KUL, HKG, BKK, PVG, SIN. ICN, NRT

      Avios Y KUL to AKL on MAH is cheap, always consider lowering Avios by paying more, effecting buying Avios at 0.76p/pt.MAN

      mE via Oz stop off with Qantas great value too doing the same tho g

      SIN-AKL possible on ANZ & SA using VS miles, but poor availability

      HKG-LHR with VS is £35 + 57k miles for UC,

      BA/Qantas/MAH book 355 days out

      Virgin/SA/ANZ book 11 months out.

      This recent article may also help.
      https://headforpoints.com/2018/12/11/avios-multi-partner-redemption-chart/

    • Lady London says:

      I’m not sure that losing your card more than x times ever, or losing your card more than x times in a certain period, wouldn’t get your credit file marked as more risky? Or is that just for insurance.

      • John says:

        Credit files don’t get marked with lost cards. Your Amex internal file may. Wonder if you can do a SAR to see?

      • Callum says:

        Your credit file doesn’t record how often you lose your card. Not sure what you mean about insurance?

        • Peter K says:

          My sister once lost her Barclay’s debit card 15 times (!) in a 12 month period. They then sent a letter telling her she would be charged for any more she lost. From that data point you’d have to lose a card a lot for a company to care.

        • Lady London says:

          Re insurance the insurance industry is apparently much better at sharing data now. So presumably multiple claims even across companies and years will start to affect someone’s risk profile soon if not already.

    • MudIslandMlungu says:

      Will probably be gone already

      • Rob says:

        Best option is BA to, say, Tokyo (or elsewhere in Asia) on the 241 and then onwards with Air New Zealand via a Virgin Flying Club redemption. Plan B would be BA to Asia then Qantas to Oz on Avios and Qantas or ANZ to Auckland.

  • TripRep says:

    Jason – asked this a couple of weeks ago, have now postponed the trip for another time, decided another trip to Florida was easier & more relaxing plus heaps better value.

    Considering that BA CW 241 rtn to SYD = rare as Rocking horse ……

    Think about 241 to these Asia hubs
    KUL, HKG, BKK, PVG, SIN. ICN, NRT

    Avios Y KUL to AKL on MAH is cheap, always consider lowering Avios by paying more £, effecting buying Avios at 0.76p/pt.

    NZ via Oz stop off with Qantas great value too doing the same thing

    SIN-AKL possible on ANZ & SA using VS miles, but poor availability

    HKG-LHR with VS is £35 + 57k miles for UC,

    BA/Qantas/MAH book 355 days out

    Virgin/SA/ANZ book 11 months out.

    This recent article may also help.
    https://headforpoints.com/2018/12/11/avios-multi-partner-redemption-chart/

    • jason says:

      cheers TripRep

    • Lady London says:

      @Jason I would suggest checking money+Avios and being sure that wouldn’t work out a value for you. Base miles are over 22k on that route.

      Other than the options mentioned by @Triprep you could look at AA to Oz then connect cheaply in cash , or using Avios keeping it on same ticket if you want EU261 protection as this would protect an AA . outward journey (not the return half if also AA). For the Transtasman flight I’d suggest you try LatAm in J which is great.

      The next time I go I will surely check routing via US. There has been a great increase in number of flights between US and Oz in the past yes or so between UA and AA. Doesn’t mean the Americans haven’t still grabbed all the new seats too with their massive credit card bonuses but I plan to check. As cash fares to the US are relatively cheap right now I plan to look first and cash to the USA then award booking down to one of several Oz destinations that have expanded from the US then a further hop Transtasman to final destination. Avios is much cheaper for relatively long journeys in this region compared to cash fares a lot of the time especially close in.

      As @Triprep has mentioned if you’re looking for Avios seats to Oz/NZ going anytime after a date in early December (depending on the year, from sometime 8-15th) then I want some of what you’re smoking 🙂

  • Otinane says:

    Another interesting use of Avios are the one way economy tickets. These can be extremely good value given the rates of 1way tickets for long haul flights.

    • Lady London says:

      Yes, and this is where the changeability/ refundability of Avios bookings is really handy.

      • Alan says:

        Used to love it when there were free changes for Gold – that made me do a TP run to keep it when I was swithering!

        • Lady London says:

          +1. If British Airways still gave free changes for Gold then I would give them back at least 60 of the 90 or so flights per year that I give to other airlines. It would actually make me bother to maintain Gold status which I have lost the will to strive for.

  • Strawb says:

    Same applies to Virgin Atlantic economy miles redemptions. Looking for a simple LHR-SFO Y return in March. A miles redemption is 30K plus £301 taxes/fees. Current sale fare in Y Lite is £288 same flights – most restrictive fare, £388 for Y Classic, or £448 for Y Delight.

    However, I want to fly back from SFO in Premium so a mixed cabin redemption costs 15K + 27,500 =42,500 miles + £336 taxes/fees. How does that compare with current sale fares?

    Best option for me is Y Delight where I can recoup the cost of a one way upgrade to Premium on the inbound sector (12,500 miles off-peak required) with the 150% mileage earned on a Y Delight fare. This would net you just under 16K miles at a modest cost £160 extra over an Y Lite fare – including extra legroom seat assignment and other benefits.

    A mixed cabin fare, out in Y Classic (50% mileage accrual) and back in Premium (100% mileage accrual) comes to £548 or if you choose Y Delight/Premium it is £578. Doesn’t work out the cheapest or best value. It is the £488 Y Delight fare with the highest mileage accrual coupled with a miles redemption that makes this the best value. Coming out at only £112 more than the mixed cabin redemption, the net gain is 3,500 miles in your account after travelling as opposed to a reduction of 42K miles.

  • Down the Back says:

    OT as no Bits today: Emailed Marriot asking for Platinum status challenge yesterday and recvd this reply today “To enroll for elite challenge you will need to call Marriott Rewards at this number +442070127312 from 4th of January.”

    Did anybody else have to do this, I thought Rob said he simply had an email he had to accept and was enrolled. I have no status with Marriot/SPG currently (Only 2 nights last year with them).

    Regards

    DtB

    • Lady London says:

      Sounds like the person or team that handles these is simply on holiday till 4th January!

  • Craig says:

    Do BA still permit open jaw using a companion voucher, thinking of out to HKG and back from BKK with a few days in Vietnam between?

    If yes, can I book the outbound using the companion, book the return using Avios and then phone and combine?

  • Lady London says:

    I’m not sure that losing your card more than x times ever, or losing your card more than x times in a certain period, wouldn’t get your credit file marked as more risky? Or is that just for insurance.

    • Lady London says:

      @Jason I would suggest checking money+Avios and being sure that wouldn’t work out a value for you. Base miles are over 22k on that route.

      Other than the options mentioned by @Triprep you could look at AA to Oz then connect cheaply in cash , or using Avios keeping it on same ticket if you want EU261 protection as this would protect an AA . outward journey (not the return half if also AA). For the Transtasman flight I’d suggest you try LatAm in J which is great.

      The next time I go I will surely check routing via US. There has been a great increase in number of flights between US and Oz in the past yes or so between UA and AA. Doesn’t mean the Americans haven’t still grabbed all the new seats too with their massive credit card bonuses but I plan to check. As cash fares to the US are relatively cheap right now I plan to look first and cash to the USA then award booking down to one of several Oz destinations that have expanded from the US then a further hop Transtasman to final destination. Avios is much cheaper for relatively long journeys in this region compared to cash fares a lot of the time especially close in.

      As @Triprep has mentioned if you’re looking for Avios seats to Oz/NZ going anytime after a date in early December (depending on the year, from sometime 8-15th) then I want some of what you’re smoking 🙂

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