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The new HFP chat thread – Tuesday 21st April

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We have decided to run this new daily chat thread on Head for Points.

Historically, the daily ‘Bits’ articles were the defacto repository for random comments and questions.  It is unlikely that the news flow will be so big over the next few weeks that we will need many ‘Bits’ articles, however.

The comments under this article are where you should post questions about travel and, indeed, anything else on your mind.  At this tricky time, and given that many of you are stuck at home self-isolating, we want the HFP community to have a place to chat.

Please only comment under the main articles on the site if your comment is directly related to the topic of the article.  This has long-term benefits as its keeps the commentary relevant for people who read those articles in the future.

By default, HFP shows the last page of comments under the article.  If you want to see the first page of comments and read them all from beginning to end in order, click here: The page will refresh with this article but the comments will now show the first page and not the last page.

We will continue to monitor how this is working:

we could potentially split it into a daily travel and non-travel chat thread

we may install some basic forum software

we may start suggesting potential topics for daily discussion

Let’s see how it goes.  Take care!

Comments (134)

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  • Flying Misfit says:

    Does anyone have a bonus referral code or link for fineco bank?

    • VJ says:

      I think it was £50 when I last check, you can email me on g17 at gmx com

  • Lady London says:

    Just received an email Aer Lingus status extended 1 year.

    • Lady London says:

      Apologies False Alarm. was Emerald Club i.e.National Car Hire. Both have the same Irish green.

      Thought it was too good to be true 🙂

      • Harry T says:

        I just used their Amex offer to attain status and match it to Hertz. Now my free status has been extended!

  • Ian says:

    How many points does an Amex Green cardholder get for referring a friend to Gold?

    • fivebobbill says:

      Gold, Green, Plat… doesn’t matter what card the referee takes out, you get 5,000 points.

  • Charlieface says:

    Rob, what do you think about the following
    Assuming flight and hotel prices drop over the next couple years (because of the glut in planes and hotels, but not a given as companies may try to rein in supply).
    Then that takes another year or two to feed through to points prices in the form of revaluations.
    When prices move back up, it will take another while til that feeds through to points devaluations.
    Therefore we may see a period of points being relatively useless, followed by a very good period of excellent returns

    • Fred says:

      Prices for flights will go up not down

      • No lockdown for moi says:

        Especially if the seat in the middle has to stay empty even in Economy

      • Rob says:

        I had this debate with the Sunday Times last week, and they didn’t like my view so it didn’t get published.

        With fuel now effectively free, the ONLY real cost is the aircraft. Those aircraft are running up leasing bills or loan repayments IRRESPECTIVE of whether they fly.

        Economic theory (and common sense) says that the airlines will fly aircraft as long as the revenue covers their VARIABLE costs. It doesn’t matter if there isn’t enough cash coming in to pay for the plane, because that money is due regardless. Put simply, if the aircraft costs $10,000 per day to lease regardless and the variable costs of flying to the US are $5,000 then the plane will fly if the airline can sell $5,001 of tickets.

        You don’t need to sell many seats with $19 oil to cover your marginal costs.

        We will therefore see a flood of capacity back into the market and prices will trough.

        HOWEVER … if every single aircraft in the world was suddenly destroyed by rampant aircraft eating bugs, you WOULD see high fares because airlines would only buy enough new aircraft to match the very low demand. As it happens, the aircraft are already there so supply is huge.

        • Chrisasaurus says:

          But we saw this after the crash – selling $5001 of tickets is terrible business if your plane arrives 4hrs late and you owe 200 people eu261 compensation.

          Far better to reduce capacity and strip some costs – sell, lease or somehow mothball those planes.

          You’ll go bust very quickly focussing and pricing on marginal cost…

          • John says:

            OK, so they’ll fly if they sell $6000 of tickets or whatever they estimate to be the average cost of compo paid out per flight

        • Charlieface says:

          My thoughts also. The only thing to take into account is possible breakage on leases, and sales, even at discount, on owned planes

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