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Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments and NS&I / Premium Bond purchases

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Curve Card made a slightly confusing announcement on Friday, emailing members to tell them that it was imposing a 1.5% fee on anyone who used their card to pay off a credit card.

The reason it was confusing is that paying credit cards using Curve Card is against its terms and conditions.  It represented financial recycling.  Because Curve Card recharges your payment to whatever Visa or Mastercard you link to it, you were effectively paying off a credit card with another credit card to earn points.  This was not allowed.

Curve Card had already blocked some financial institutions from its system.  American Express seemed to come and go – a lot of people found that they could pay off their American Express bills using Curve and earn points on whatever underlying credit card was linked to it.  Personally I never got this to work, but I have a ‘first generation’ Curve Card which is structured slightly differently.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Which merchants will Curve Card now charge you 1.5% to pay?

Curve Card has now categorised two types of payments which will incur a 1.5% fee.  These are known as ‘Curve Fronted’ transactions and are explained on the Curve website site.

The fees are triggered by the coding applied by the merchant.  This may lead to anomalies as some merchants are incorrectly coded, or have a code which represents a different part of their business to the part you are transacting with.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 9399 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • HMRC (this change was made a few months ago)
  • National Savings & Investments, including Premium Bonds
  • DVLA Vehicle Tax
  • Student Loan Payments

Until yesterday, all of the above – except for HMRC – were payable with Curve Card for free and could be recharged to a credit card which earned points.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 6012 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • Paying credit card bills, loans or mortgages, where your Curve Card recharges to a credit card
  • Purchasing financial services or products from banks, Credit Unions, Deposit Takers
  • Purchasing foreign or non-fiat currency such as cryptocurrency, travelers cheques or money orders
  • Purchasing store value cards such as prepaid cards

In reality, most of the above were already blocked by Curve Card on an ad-hoc basis and were against its terms and conditions in any event.

Barclaycard is known to block payments with Curve Card and this policy is unlikely to change.  Other credit card companies may move to block Curve Card payments to discourage financial recycling even if Curve itself is happy to allow it.

Can you get around this fee?

Yes. 

If you have Curve Metal (£15 per month), you are exempt from these charges.

This means you can now, openly, pay off your credit card with another (or even the same!) Visa or Mastercard credit card linked to Curve as long as you pay £15 per month for Curve Metal.

Does this makes sense?

It depends.  For a start, some underlying credit cards will – irrespective of whether Curve imposes its 1.5% fee – treat these payments as a cash advance.  This means that you wouldn’t earn points and, worse, would be hit with a 3% cash advance fee.  Barclaycard is also known to block Curve Card payments and others may follow suit (MBNA is fine, Amex is usually fine).  The only way to be sure if a payment will work is to test.

Secondly, you are limited by your Curve Card limits.  Most people start at £50,000 per year, with daily and monthly limits on top.   If you’re lucky you may get moved up to £100,000 per year.  Even if you are a high spender, you will still bump up against the cap on your total Curve Card spending.

In some scenarios it would work.  If you could recharge £50,000 of credit card repayments to your Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard, which earns 1.5 miles per £1 spent, you’d be picking up 75,000 additional Flying Club miles per year.

In this scenario, the £15 per month cost of Curve Metal would make sense.  However, it would depend on Virgin Money deciding not to treat your Curve Card transactions to financial services businesses as cash withdrawals, or deciding to block Curve Card payments entirely.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Is it still worth getting a Curve Card?

It has some value, yes.

For a start, you can still recharge any purchase which is ‘debit card only’ to an underlying Visa or Mastercard credit card and so earn points.

As long as the purchase doesn’t fall into the categories listed above, you’re fine.

You can also make free ATM withdrawals and have them recharged to your credit card, treated as a miles-earning purchase.  There is a monthly cap which varies depending on which Curve Card you have.

Curve Card will pay you £10 to try it …..

….. so there is no risk.

To sign up to Curve, simply go to this page of their websiteThe easiest thing to do is order the free Blue card and then upgrade to Black or Metal once you have got familiar with it, although you can start immediately on Black or Metal if you want.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

Our introductory guide to Curve Card is here if you are a new HfP reader.


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Comments (256)

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  • George K says:

    I value Curve for the ATM withdrawals and council tax payments – I reside in a council which levies a surcharge for credit cards, and offers no PayPoint or other way around it – so those are two bits that still make sense to keep the card open.

    BTW did we ever find out what was the outcome of the Amex spat? Curve promised updates and to tell its side of the story, but it all went quiet..

    • Voltron says:

      Do you pay council tax online using curve? What MCC does it come under?
      I used to pay via paypoint at CO-OP, tried to pay yesterday but they said because of covid19 they are temporarily stopping paypoint “cash” payments, even though we all know how we pay at paypoint…
      May have been the cashier so will try again tomorrow.

      • George K says:

        Yes, I pay online. Entering a credit card number results in a prompt that 2.6% will be added to the total, whereas Curve takes me straight to confirmation.

        I can’t say what the MCC is. How would I find that out?

        • Alex W says:

          I thought that was now against the law?

          • George K says:

            I think you are right.

            Admittedly I haven’t tried to see if they still do the surcharge as I’ve been using curve all this time…

            I’ll try to pay with the native card next time and confirm.

          • Philip says:

            I think its legitimate to surcharge if it is a business card but not if it is a personal one .

          • Dezbez says:

            Yes, you are definitely not allowed to charge surcharges for personal credit cards anymore.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I don’t believe that, lots of people have to use PP to pay bills.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          If you accept credit card you can not surcharge but if you just remove the credit card option there’s no problem

    • Trev says:

      +1 on the Amex dispute.

  • Colin says:

    There is a small print in the email Curve sent to me: “paying credit with credit may affect your credit score.” Does anyone know more details about that?

    • Bentoni says:

      Payment a credit card with a credit card via Curve might be registered as advanced cash transaction. Such transaction are recorded in credit reports that other lenders might see it as a risk.

    • Rob says:

      If it gets created as a cash advance by the underlying card (and you get whacked with a cash advance fee) this goes on your credit report. People who are seen to be withdrawing cash on their credit cards are treated as the most desperate of the desperate, financing wise, and unlikely to be offered more credit.

  • Sergey says:

    Revolut had 6012 MCC. Not sure about now, my account with them is closed.

    • Oliver says:

      Revolut worked fine for me yesterday using underlying IHG/creation

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Using curve to pay Revolut is a waste of time and limit as they pass the MCC straight to the credit card.

        Just go direct they accept credit cards and will see the same MCC as if you use curve.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        It will work fine but its the fees you get charged if not paid off as quickly as possible. I got fees of near £5 last month as I forgot to pay off Revolut top ups for over a week.

  • John says:

    Which credit card can you pay with itself?

    • Lumma says:

      Creation and New Day cards both work fine via Curve, even it’s the same card

  • Joe Green says:

    So in the short term while NS&I is still working I would like to buy premium bonds today with IHG card will creation charge a fee?

    If so does anyone know about Hilton honours barclaycard or virgin?

    • BJ says:

      If you get the ‘fronted’ message they will charge so do not proceed. See my comment below about Hilton.

    • Crafty says:

      Not necessarily working. Stopped for me and wife night before last.

  • BJ says:

    Surprised at the Barclaycard comment. I’ve had zero problems using my Hilton card with Curve. It was fantastic whilst it lasted.

    • Anna says:

      Do you pay your HH card bill with Curve though? That’s what’s generally blocked, not the other way.

      • fivebobbill says:

        Anna is correct, Hilton BC stopped you paying off your Hilton BC bill via Curve a few years ago, however it still serves as an underlying card to pay anything else.

      • BJ says:

        No, I avoided paying credit cards with Curve, I didn’t want to push my luck too much given the rest of my activity.

  • Eli says:

    Interestingly this morning I have been blocked from paying a credit card using the Lloyds credit card. First time that happened

    • Brian W says:

      Worked for me 2 mins ago, £3k paid via Curve with Lloyd’s Avios MasterCard underlying.

  • Alex W says:

    Damnit. Looks like it’s back to withdrawing cash and paying it in again.

    • BJ says:

      Everybody will now start doing that again so they’ll probably end up strictly enforcing the £200/m limit too.

      • Axel says:

        I’ve only had it enforced to the £500 daily limit but stopped daily trips to ATM after second Amex debacle.

        However with dozens of peer to peer lending companies to choose from I think we are still spoilt for options.

        On an aside NSI rates are getting pretty poor, except maybe the Junior ISAs at 3.25%. Probably a safer haven than gold though in the present climate.

        • John says:

          That’s where my Curve payments are going, so I won’t see the cash for 18 years (or most likely never)

    • John says:

      Why did you stop doing it?

      • Alex W says:

        Withdrawing and paying cash into a bank is a lot more faff than recycling cash from the comfort of your armchair.

        • John says:

          But you can do both…

          • BJ says:

            More to life then stopping by every cash machine and co-op but dedication shown by some ranges from thd admirable to the astonishing 🙂

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