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Curve Card made a slightly confusing announcement on Friday, emailing members to tell them that it was imposing a 1.5% fee on anyone who used their card to pay off a credit card.

The reason it was confusing is that paying credit cards using Curve Card is against its terms and conditions.  It represented financial recycling.  Because Curve Card recharges your payment to whatever Visa or Mastercard you link to it, you were effectively paying off a credit card with another credit card to earn points.  This was not allowed.

Curve Card had already blocked some financial institutions from its system.  American Express seemed to come and go – a lot of people found that they could pay off their American Express bills using Curve and earn points on whatever underlying credit card was linked to it.  Personally I never got this to work, but I have a ‘first generation’ Curve Card which is structured slightly differently.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Which merchants will Curve Card now charge you 1.5% to pay?

Curve Card has now categorised two types of payments which will incur a 1.5% fee.  These are known as ‘Curve Fronted’ transactions and are explained on the Curve website site.

The fees are triggered by the coding applied by the merchant.  This may lead to anomalies as some merchants are incorrectly coded, or have a code which represents a different part of their business to the part you are transacting with.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 9399 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • HMRC (this change was made a few months ago)
  • National Savings & Investments, including Premium Bonds
  • DVLA Vehicle Tax
  • Student Loan Payments

Until yesterday, all of the above – except for HMRC – were payable with Curve Card for free and could be recharged to a credit card which earned points.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 6012 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • Paying credit card bills, loans or mortgages, where your Curve Card recharges to a credit card
  • Purchasing financial services or products from banks, Credit Unions, Deposit Takers
  • Purchasing foreign or non-fiat currency such as cryptocurrency, travelers cheques or money orders
  • Purchasing store value cards such as prepaid cards

In reality, most of the above were already blocked by Curve Card on an ad-hoc basis and were against its terms and conditions in any event.

Barclaycard is known to block payments with Curve Card and this policy is unlikely to change.  Other credit card companies may move to block Curve Card payments to discourage financial recycling even if Curve itself is happy to allow it.

Can you get around this fee?

Yes. 

If you have Curve Metal (£15 per month), you are exempt from these charges.

This means you can now, openly, pay off your credit card with another (or even the same!) Visa or Mastercard credit card linked to Curve as long as you pay £15 per month for Curve Metal.

Does this makes sense?

It depends.  For a start, some underlying credit cards will – irrespective of whether Curve imposes its 1.5% fee – treat these payments as a cash advance.  This means that you wouldn’t earn points and, worse, would be hit with a 3% cash advance fee.  Barclaycard is also known to block Curve Card payments and others may follow suit (MBNA is fine, Amex is usually fine).  The only way to be sure if a payment will work is to test.

Secondly, you are limited by your Curve Card limits.  Most people start at £50,000 per year, with daily and monthly limits on top.   If you’re lucky you may get moved up to £100,000 per year.  Even if you are a high spender, you will still bump up against the cap on your total Curve Card spending.

In some scenarios it would work.  If you could recharge £50,000 of credit card repayments to your Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard, which earns 1.5 miles per £1 spent, you’d be picking up 75,000 additional Flying Club miles per year.

In this scenario, the £15 per month cost of Curve Metal would make sense.  However, it would depend on Virgin Money deciding not to treat your Curve Card transactions to financial services businesses as cash withdrawals, or deciding to block Curve Card payments entirely.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Is it still worth getting a Curve Card?

It has some value, yes.

For a start, you can still recharge any purchase which is ‘debit card only’ to an underlying Visa or Mastercard credit card and so earn points.

As long as the purchase doesn’t fall into the categories listed above, you’re fine.

You can also make free ATM withdrawals and have them recharged to your credit card, treated as a miles-earning purchase.  There is a monthly cap which varies depending on which Curve Card you have.

Curve Card will pay you £10 to try it …..

….. so there is no risk.

To sign up to Curve, simply go to this page of their websiteThe easiest thing to do is order the free Blue card and then upgrade to Black or Metal once you have got familiar with it, although you can start immediately on Black or Metal if you want.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

Our introductory guide to Curve Card is here if you are a new HfP reader.


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Comments (256)

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  • John says:

    If I didn’t use Curve I think I might never see a new £20 note

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      Funny you say that. I didn’t even know about the new notes until I did a curve ATM.

      • John says:

        I went to Northern Ireland and used Curve to get each of the new £10s and £5s which I sold on ebay for double face 🙂

  • twoclicks says:

    Has anyone used their curve to charge either cash withdrawals or paying off credit card bills charged to a HSBC Premier World Elite lately? Any experience with the fees? Apologies if answered elsewhere.

    • Polly says:

      You can’t with hsbc

      • H says:

        Really? I’ve been doing it for years with no issues or fees (as of last month).

        • JImbob says:

          You can’t pay off Hsbc with curve, as dd or bank transfer are the only options, but potentially you could pay off another credit card using curve and Hsbc underlying it.

          • twoclicks says:

            Sorry, I meant using HSBC as underlying card to pay off another credit card. I did a test to see if £10 would go through paying off an mbna card, but don’t know if I’ll get charged cash fees against this?

        • twoclicks says:

          Sorry, I meant using HSBC as underlying card to pay for another credit card. I did £10 test using HSBC as underlying card to pay for mbna bill, it went through but don’t know if I’ll get a cash fee for that?

  • Venturelog says:

    Query on the IHG card (under Curve). Was there not a limit of £200 per day And a limit per week?

    • Anna says:

      £700 pw in 3 transactions (e.g. £300 + £200 + £200)

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      Yes, up to £700 a week.

      • Venturelog says:

        Thank you secret squirrel. You mentioned earlier you put 2k through IHG for NS&I…is the limit only for paying other CC?

        • Secret Squirrel says:

          £700 a week max for top up pre paid cards & similar transactions.
          Other financial institutions only Limited by your underlying cards credit limit.
          Be careful not to over indulge as locking of accounts could render your cash indispensable for 1-2 months.

          • Harry T says:

            @Secret Squirrel
            Any idea what sort of level of spend and withdrawal NS&I lock your account for?

          • Secret Squirrel says:

            @Harry T:
            No idea buddy!
            I did ask in chat last night but no answer I think. Someone a few days ago posted that they had been asked by NS&I for proof of funds but no finer details around what totals & frequencies involved which I’m very interested in….

    • The Urbanite says:

      Creation transaction limit applies to MCC 6012 transactions.

      £300 a day
      £500 over 3 days
      £700 over 7 days

    • iamfugly says:

      Are there still interest payments charged on IHG cards for this?

  • Benilyn says:

    So this is genuinely game over?

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      Depends if you fancy paying for metal, in which case no the game is far from over!

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Then the game has only just begun as it’s no longer against the rules.

    • Luckyjim says:

      No longer against Curves rules but now out in the open and sure to be shut down by the underlying card providers. Enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Vick says:

    Virgin Money treat your Curve Card transactions to financial services businesses as cash withdrawals/advance. So it’s better not using Virgin Money as an example.

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      I never use Virgin card direct, that’s the way around it..😄

    • James says:

      I have used my Curve to pay my IHG card with Virgin as underlying and there are no advance charges on my account

    • Ph@tbear says:

      Ive never experienced that with my virgin Atlantic credit card.

      This is pretty much the death of the curve card for me

      • Vinz says:

        I paid my amex bills for a good year and a half or two with curve and virgin card underlying. Never got a charge and accrued many soon to be worthless FC miles…

    • Travel Strong says:

      No, they do not. Not sure where you have got that from.

      • The Urbanite says:

        @Travel Strong there were many reports of Virgin charging cash advance fees whenever Revolut change their MCC to 4829 and they also charge the same fees if you top up the Avios Cash passport.

      • Brian W says:

        I don’t get charged anything from Virgin either using it with Curve in this way. @Vinz is wrong unless this has changed in the last 48 hours.

  • Luckyjim says:

    Slightly OT: HSBC have suddenly started charging for Revolut top ups. Is it worth asking for a refund of these fees since they gave not charged in the previous two years?

    • guesswho2000 says:

      Yes it’s worth asking, Barclaycard recently started charging too, and refunded the fees I’d incurred before knowing about it. It’ll be a one off gesture of goodwill though.

    • Jonathan says:

      I got a refund directly from Revolut this week for charges on by IHG card. Was told it was the only refund they will do as a gesture of goodwill and they are hoping to revert the MCC back but no definitive date when or even if they can.

    • iamfugly says:

      I tried a couple of weeks ago. I was utter ballache and I was going round in circles.
      Long story short, got nowhere with it! Hope you have more success.

    • EDA says:

      Were you charged interest on your statement date or a cash advance fees on the date of the transaction?

    • Simon says:

      I tried a couple of times and got no where with HSBC (who said the merchant decides the MCC and it’s nothing to do with HSBC).

      However, I did manage to get Revolut to credit the cash advance fees to my account after raising a complaint (that they changed their MCC without telling customers) and after some persistence and providing evidence, they gave me a “goodwill customer gesture”.

      Though you’ll only get one shot with this type of complaint.

      • EDA says:

        Did the cash advance fees post straight after your top up or on your statement date? I have been charged interest previously but never cash advance fees on HSBC WE

  • Bill y says:

    The search for another work aprons continues. I might be really sad Saying this but I really enjoy the search for new work arounds.

    I miss the days of Stoozing the days savings accounts were 11%.

    When you could directly pay NS&I.

    Buying Mastercard gifts cards

    Just some of my favorite.

    • John says:

      Yes buying £50 for £45 at Tesco was pretty good. Cashed out directly to bank account via paypal gift.

    • mark2 says:

      Don’t forget the 3V cards from Tesco.

    • The Urbanite says:

      The game constantly changes and evolves. Ongoing research is key!

      Hunting for arbitrages a bit of a hobby. Lots of people have side hustles, nothing really sad about it but of course people who don’t do it might not understand it!

      • Yuff says:

        You are on a different level to most people 😉 in a good way

        • The Urbanite says:

          Thank you kindly for the compliment, but the greater majority of the research comes to nothing sadly!

  • KD says:

    I have the free curve card linked to my IHG premium. I tried about 10 times over a month to buy 5k premium bonds and declined every time even at £500 increments. I have 1k ATM limit so went ATM and 5 days in a row withdrew 1k and bought 5k premium bonds and got 10k IHG points.

    According to the APP I have withdrew 25k at the ATM in 6 months against an annual 40k limit

    I mostly used it for paying Amex but as of this week now fronted. However with a 1k daily ATM limit I should be ok that way.

    • Alex says:

      I had the same issue and when I called to IHG credit card team (Creation) they said that the limit to buy bonds in this way was £300 per day. They are coded as unusual cash transactions which incur no cash advance fee and the adviser was herself surprised to see this.

      • melonfarmer says:

        Yes, me too. I had to message them that Curve was an accredited money handling business so to get on with it. Managed to put £999 through after that and managed to get a nice round, bookable number on my IHG points.

        The alternative used to be to credit it to Tandem, then go back in time if you so wished (hence the £999). I binned my Tandem Co-founder card when they started charging. Tandem were very accommodating with Curve; Creation are a pain. The Lufthansa card said, unprompted, that they work with Curve (let’s wait & see what shape LH end up in).

    • Doug M says:

      I’ve used Curve minimally outside of gaming. Typically £2K to £4K per month going through IHG. Paying Amex or the occasional NS&I. Spend of £500 to £600 abroad 4 or 5 times a year to avoid FX fees. Bought £2k from my mate ERNIE yesterday, all good, no Curve fronted message.
      It’s coming to end for sure 🙁

      • Harry T says:

        @Doug M
        When paying our good friend Ernie, are you withdrawing the money in full at a later date? Or actually buying for the long term?

        My concern is that Ernie could be worried we are just using him to recycle cash, and make an effort to get to know us better.

        • Secret Squirrel says:

          Ernie?
          Please enlighten me as I guessed LH ( its getting like a cryptic puzzle) in here some days!

          • Doug M says:

            Premium Bonds. If you’re old the numbers were selected by the Electronic Random Number Indicating Equipment, Ernie to his friends.

          • Doug M says:

            Keeps the brain sharp. LH often needs context because LH Lufthansa the airline, and LH Long Haul as opposed to SH Short Haul.

          • Secret Squirrel says:

            Cheers Doug!

        • Doug M says:

          I don’t know is the honest answer. My Amex cards are down to the Green, and that along with the closed Gold and SPG sit with a few thousand in credit that Amex should be repaying, so paying Brighton dried up for me. I know that someone (TGLoyalty?) mentions the NS&I route, so Friday I bought £1K to see. Then the Curve changes started to be commented on so yesterday I bought £2K to see if it still worked for me, it did. Was a bit surprised as with Amex the £700/week seemed strictly enforced, sad to say I’ve largely missed the premium bonds angle, should have exploited it earlier.

          • Harry T says:

            Yeah, Doug M – looks like a lucrative loophole if you don’t get unwelcome attention for large deposits and withdrawals.. unfortunate it’s closing. It’s becoming increasingly hard to generate a large amount of points in the UK with recent AMEX changes and Curve closing down avenues. The decent alternatives to AMEX seem to be getting whittled down too – could never understand why the IHG premium card eligibility checker rejected me but it’s too late now.

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