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Curve Card made a slightly confusing announcement on Friday, emailing members to tell them that it was imposing a 1.5% fee on anyone who used their card to pay off a credit card.

The reason it was confusing is that paying credit cards using Curve Card is against its terms and conditions.  It represented financial recycling.  Because Curve Card recharges your payment to whatever Visa or Mastercard you link to it, you were effectively paying off a credit card with another credit card to earn points.  This was not allowed.

Curve Card had already blocked some financial institutions from its system.  American Express seemed to come and go – a lot of people found that they could pay off their American Express bills using Curve and earn points on whatever underlying credit card was linked to it.  Personally I never got this to work, but I have a ‘first generation’ Curve Card which is structured slightly differently.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Which merchants will Curve Card now charge you 1.5% to pay?

Curve Card has now categorised two types of payments which will incur a 1.5% fee.  These are known as ‘Curve Fronted’ transactions and are explained on the Curve website site.

The fees are triggered by the coding applied by the merchant.  This may lead to anomalies as some merchants are incorrectly coded, or have a code which represents a different part of their business to the part you are transacting with.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 9399 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • HMRC (this change was made a few months ago)
  • National Savings & Investments, including Premium Bonds
  • DVLA Vehicle Tax
  • Student Loan Payments

Until yesterday, all of the above – except for HMRC – were payable with Curve Card for free and could be recharged to a credit card which earned points.

The following payments use Merchant Category Code 6012 and are now charged at 1.5%:

  • Paying credit card bills, loans or mortgages, where your Curve Card recharges to a credit card
  • Purchasing financial services or products from banks, Credit Unions, Deposit Takers
  • Purchasing foreign or non-fiat currency such as cryptocurrency, travelers cheques or money orders
  • Purchasing store value cards such as prepaid cards

In reality, most of the above were already blocked by Curve Card on an ad-hoc basis and were against its terms and conditions in any event.

Barclaycard is known to block payments with Curve Card and this policy is unlikely to change.  Other credit card companies may move to block Curve Card payments to discourage financial recycling even if Curve itself is happy to allow it.

Can you get around this fee?

Yes. 

If you have Curve Metal (£15 per month), you are exempt from these charges.

This means you can now, openly, pay off your credit card with another (or even the same!) Visa or Mastercard credit card linked to Curve as long as you pay £15 per month for Curve Metal.

Does this makes sense?

It depends.  For a start, some underlying credit cards will – irrespective of whether Curve imposes its 1.5% fee – treat these payments as a cash advance.  This means that you wouldn’t earn points and, worse, would be hit with a 3% cash advance fee.  Barclaycard is also known to block Curve Card payments and others may follow suit (MBNA is fine, Amex is usually fine).  The only way to be sure if a payment will work is to test.

Secondly, you are limited by your Curve Card limits.  Most people start at £50,000 per year, with daily and monthly limits on top.   If you’re lucky you may get moved up to £100,000 per year.  Even if you are a high spender, you will still bump up against the cap on your total Curve Card spending.

In some scenarios it would work.  If you could recharge £50,000 of credit card repayments to your Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard, which earns 1.5 miles per £1 spent, you’d be picking up 75,000 additional Flying Club miles per year.

In this scenario, the £15 per month cost of Curve Metal would make sense.  However, it would depend on Virgin Money deciding not to treat your Curve Card transactions to financial services businesses as cash withdrawals, or deciding to block Curve Card payments entirely.

Curve Card adds 1.5% fee to credit card repayments

Is it still worth getting a Curve Card?

It has some value, yes.

For a start, you can still recharge any purchase which is ‘debit card only’ to an underlying Visa or Mastercard credit card and so earn points.

As long as the purchase doesn’t fall into the categories listed above, you’re fine.

You can also make free ATM withdrawals and have them recharged to your credit card, treated as a miles-earning purchase.  There is a monthly cap which varies depending on which Curve Card you have.

Curve Card will pay you £10 to try it …..

….. so there is no risk.

To sign up to Curve, simply go to this page of their websiteThe easiest thing to do is order the free Blue card and then upgrade to Black or Metal once you have got familiar with it, although you can start immediately on Black or Metal if you want.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

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Comments (256)

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  • Speedbird676 says:

    Did anybody else not receive the email?

    My last email from Curve was about increasing Go Back in Time to 90 days on 22-Apr.

    • Grant says:

      I’ve not had the email about Curve Fronted

    • guesswho2000 says:

      I received the email, and my Curve account has been closed for about three months now!

  • John says:

    NS&I works for me, but paying Virgin Money doesn’t any longer. It was only possible to do £1000 total with VM since debit card deposits were enabled.

  • Grant says:

    Does anyone know how are Virgin treating the 9399 MCC?

  • Roy says:

    For me, the main use of Curve is just that it gives me a way to use Google Pay to pay with my IHG card.

    • Lumma says:

      I’ve never understood why people are so obsessed with mobile phone payments.

      Until phone batteries improve to last several days you still need to have a card on you. Paying for tfl means you miss out on the daily and weekly caps if you switch to plastic after beginning with your phone, it’s hard to indicate that you’re ready to pay in a restaurant without getting a card out.

      • Bentoni says:

        Well…. it is more secure, since the payment details are tokenised, so no one can copy your card. And devices like Apple Watch has at least all day battery life.

      • Duncan Stevenson-Price says:

        It’s more secure and more convenient (for me). I _always_ have my Apple Watch and iPhone with me, and both are charged every night and typically don’t drop much below 40% battery at the end of the day.

        The other advantage is having contact-free payments for purchases over £45 in most places.

        • Lumma says:

          Regarding it being more secure, if I went to almost 100% phone payment, I’d think it’s more possible that it might take longer to notice the physical card going missing.

          It did used to be ridiculously easy to steal someone’s card details when taking payments (card number and expiry date used to be shown in full, you just needed to note the security number before handing the card back), but that info is now hidden.

          I’m honestly just curious, it still seems like technology for technology’s sake to me. I do like the ability to pay online without getting the card details when Google pay is an option though

      • TGLoyalty says:

        I no longer have issues with all day charge.

        One big reason for me using it is because it’s actually limitless contactless payment. Hopefully COVID19 has prompted some bigger stores to update their systems to accept apply pay correctly instead of limiting it to the contactless limit.

        I also like websites that have integrated Apple Pay as payment methods, I’ll go direct if I really need s75 but for the majority of my transactions they wouldn’t qualify or I wouldn’t need it.

      • John says:

        Just snap your fingers and make a signing (as in signature) motion!

        • Lady London says:

          Don’t snap your fingers if you want them to come in the next 100 years.

          If you’re really fed up trying to attract attention to get your bill then stand up as though you’re going to leave. The bill will be brought rapidly then.

      • Lady London says:

        The writing sign in the air in restaurants no longer works to get the bill then?

        • TGLoyalty says:

          Always works for me, no snapping the fingers though.

          • Lumma says:

            I didn’t mean asking for the the bill, it’s the actual paying that’s the problem, if you’ve never worked in a restaurant you’ll not understand how upset some people get if you approach them with a credit card machine when they’re not ready to pay. It’s an absolute minefield

  • incompatibleitalic says:

    What about HSBC? Does the 1.5% fee apply for their payments?

  • Alex Sm says:

    I got a red Curve investor card the other day but there is no card number on the card and it looks cheap and counterfeit tbh! Does anyone know where to get the full card number?

    • Stephen W says:

      On the new Red investor (numberless) card, you’ll find your actual card details within the app (they are in the latest version of the app for all users)

    • Genghis says:

      I actually quite like my Red Investor card. My wife who works in FS marketing likes it to. It certainly stands out.

      • Alex Sm says:

        I am not so sure about it tbh… It looks too plastic! The previous black silverish version looked serious and solid, this one does not. But let’s see

  • Craig W says:

    A lot of comments implying that the max limit is £100k (the article also references it but doesn’t say it is the max), Datapoint – mine is 3x that so it is definitely possible to get your limit higher than 100k if you ask.

    A number of people have said “what is the point in putting xyz through curve” on HFP particularly recently and I think the point is for anything where you don’t need S75, just put it through curve to show them a varied spend and they will let your limit go up, a lot. They won’t increase your limit beyond 100k though if 70k worth of it is just paying off credit cards

    • Harry T says:

      @Craig
      What did your spending ratios look like when they increased your limit above 100k?

      • Craig W says:

        Good question – answer is I am not 100% sure and not sure how to work that out!

        Looking at the app. The largest portion would still have been “business services” in their app – Revolut/paying off credit cards/HL top ups. But there would have been a significant portion on travel. Any tops ups I made to Revolut for genuine monthly spending put through curve at the initial top up stage but then back through curve as I spent it. So the rest would have been very balanced across day to day items. Have also been withdrawing c£1000 a month for ages with no problems, varied between currencies so it looks balanced.

        Also have been metal for a year (I think) which I believe helps as they don’t want to upset the highest paying customers

        • FloriGuy says:

          Can I ask how you get the money out of HL. I have an HL account (which I actually use for investments and an ISA). However, I understood if I ever withdrew funds from them it would be to the original payment card?

          • Craig W says:

            My understanding is that it only goes back on the payment card if you take it out again straight away (which I don’t I just top up to my ISA allowance). Where I have taken it out it has been paid out to my bank account (but usually after a decent holding period first)

  • Nate1309 says:

    So you can’t use any Barclaycard with Curve?? I have been using a certain no legacy card via curve since i took out curve as an early adopter. Never had a problem.

    • Peter K says:

      Read earlier comments. You misunderstood the point made in article.

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