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The new HFP chat thread – Saturday 9th May

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Comments (186)

  • Nick says:

    UK to place all incoming travellers under 14-day quarantine – The Times

    ritish Prime Minister Boris Johnson will announce on Sunday that all travellers coming to the United Kingdom will be quarantined for a fortnight, The Times reported

    “Passengers arriving at airports and ports including Britons returning from abroad, will have to self-isolate for 14 days,” the newspaper said, adding that travellers will have to provide the address sat which they will self-isolate on arrival.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-johnson-idUSKBN22K2V3

    • Nick_C says:

      Another measure that will be ignored and unenforced.

      Should be in a secure centre at the travelers’ own expense.

      But no point in doing this in the UK unless we get this outbreak under control, which is looking unlikely.

      • Anna says:

        It will be unenforceable – we don’t even have the resources to monitor people who have entered the country illegally!

        All it will achieve is to kill the summer holiday season for even any permitted foreign travel as no-one with a job or other commitments is going to be in a position to spend 2 weeks in isolation on their return.

        Talk about horses and stable doors though 😡

        • Andrew says:

          As with all these things we’ll have to wait and see if this is announced and, if it is, alongside what else. If we are still asked or told to work from home where possible then there may be many (clearly not all or even most) people whose employment may not be adversely affected. Equally there will be a large number of folk who can’t work from home and will be between a rock and a hard place.

          • Peter North says:

            Of course another unenforceable policy dreamt up by this useless shambles that purports to be our government. Just this morning we hear in the media from ” A senior government source” that garden centres will be allowed to open. This is not yet government policy.

            As with everything concerning Johnson, they run up a flag , gauge public opinion and then, depending on the reception either decide to run with it, or shelve it. Boris is a populist if nothing else.

        • The Streets says:

          In Hong Kong they fit incoming travellers with GPS trackers

        • Mr(s) Entitled says:

          People who enter the country illegally tend to do so in ways that make them hard to locate. Not off a Delta flight from San Francisco into Heathrow.

          • Spaghetti Town says:

            @Mrs Entitled, they would certainly be very hard to locate, because Delta don’t fly from San Francisco to Heathrow!

          • BJ says:

            I suspect Carrie and Dominic have trouble locating BoJo half the time too, and he’s here legally AFAIK.
            .

      • Seesaw says:

        The U.K. has done fine it’s only people like you who take the numbers out of context. The amount of deaths aren’t purely due to this virus and mostly from people who are already sick

        • BrightonReader says:

          Some people really do write some absolute codswallop.

          • Peter Potter says:

            Being naive and uninformed doesn’t make your argument right.

        • ChrisBCN says:

          The excess deaths that the ONS report every Tuesday tells us that there very clearly are many extra deaths… Data always wins over speculation and beliefs …

          • TGLoyalty says:

            Excess deaths need to be looked at over a far greater period than 3-4 weeks. You need to look at this is 12-18 months and say what happened.

          • ChrisBCN says:

            Whilst I agree to look over the longer period is a correct way to look at excess deaths caused by the crisis, you shouldn’t forget that the excess deaths NOW are a count of the lives lost EARLY (be that weeks, months, years or decades early). It is an important metric for that reason.

        • Anna (the original) says:

          I’m not sure what this remark has to do with quarantine requirements? I doubt it will have any influence on any government announcement though!

    • GDT says:

      Seems a bit odd. I am currently in Kuala Lumpur where the virus has been managed really well and we have double digit cases each day and a total of 107 deaths since the start. But if I want to come home to the UK, where infections and death rate are very much higher, I have to self isolate. On return to KL I also have to self isolate, which makes more sense since i would be travelling from a country with much higher infection rates. Wouldn’t it be more sensible to do country specific isolation rules?
      I am guessing that the UK will do some sort of Euro bubble agreement to make this more understandable.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Exactly with 4-5k new homegrown infections a day someone from Singapore/KL/NZ/Aus poses very very low risk to the UK infection rate.

        • Seesaw says:

          That’s a stupid statistic to quite as it depends on the amount tested and they are not new but existing

          • TGLoyalty says:

            The test is people currently infected so in all likelihood caught it within the last 2-3 weeks.

            We won’t know who caught it this past week until 2-3 weeks time but as R isn’t 0 then that’ll still be a large number of people.

      • Bonglim says:

        GDT I think your point is entirely valid, which is why there is no restriction currently.

        Despite a few complaining we will never get there, the evidence is clear that the numbers are on the wane. The idea of these restrictions is to start as the uk number drop to a level where incoming passengers do pose a risk. Once that happens it should be everyone, picking out some countries fails because of the range of international transfers. And for someone returning to the uk the risk they are trying to contain is the risk of getting it on the flight, rather than the risk of picking it up before you left. Otherwise the quarantine period would be less than 2 weeks.

    • Simon says:

      If you have Covid the NHS advice is to self isolate for 7 day but people arriving from abroad have to self isolate for 14 days. I don’t understand why the time periods are different.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        If you have covid it’s 7 days as that’s about when it stops being infectious (they say but I hear conflicting data on that)

        If you have no symptoms but have had contact with an infected person you are asked to isolate for 14 days after contact as the virus takes 3-12 days to show symptoms.

      • John says:

        Not really to do with coming from abroad.

        If you come from abroad and you have it, then you either go to hospital or you can spend 7 days in isolation (ideally you would be taken home or to a hotel without you coming into contact with other people on the way). Same applies for people who got it in the UK.

        If you come from abroad and you have no symptoms then you need to isolate for 14 days because it could take that long to show up. Same goes for people who haven’t been abroad but came into contact with someone else with symptoms.

    • J says:

      Too little, too late. The UK has the highest number of deaths and the highest death toll in Europe. Boris chose to ignore what was happening in Italy until it was too late and the consequences have been deadly. One day in some sort of inquiry – or hopefully a trial, he will have to answer for his mistakes. The British government couldn’t organise testing or PPE, I’ve no confidence in them organising self isolation for visitors (and given the numbers in the UK anyway what difference will it make now). Other countries will be severely restricting travel from the UK for a long time yet though… It is now being said Germans will probably be allowed to go Spain this summer, no chance for Brits.

      • Josh says:

        Always look on the bright side of life chap…I mean, the other guy could have won…

        • Doug M says:

          The greatest endorsement a PM can have, someone thinks the other guy would have been worse.

      • Anna says:

        It’s very bad indeed but I doubt very much that we have the highest death toll. Spain isn’t even counting deaths in care homes, for example, despite horrific reports in the media of residents being abandoned to die and some 140 related criminal prosecutions in the pipeline.

        • J says:

          There’ll be a lot of analysis over the calculations for a long time to come (e.g. Belgium have a higher death rate because they are including deaths the UK, Spain and others are not). But as you say it is very bad – and certainly compared to Germany, which has a bigger population, the UK looks disastrous.

      • Nick_C says:

        “The UK has the highest number of deaths and the highest death toll in Europe.”

        We have the highest number of deaths in Europe. We have a large population. We do not have the highest death rate though. Belgium, Spain, and Italy all have higher reported deaths per capita than the UK.

        Of course, we are a couple of weeks behind Spain and Italy, and we could still catch them up or overtake them. Spain and Italy had a hard lockdown which was strictly observed. We had a soft lockdown which was largely flouted.

        • Rob says:

          Kings Road is only about 50% quieter than today than a normal Mon-Fri.

        • memesweeper says:

          I’ve been into London twice since the lockdown started, and the streets look busy compared to my town. Much of provincial UK is properly following the advice to stay at home as much as possible.

        • Rob says:

          We’ve got three ice cream parlours open, the bike shop, the pet accessories shop etc! Slightly surprised that Happy Socks is not claiming it is ‘essential’ too.

        • Rob says:

          No, but in most parts of the country they are shut.

        • Lady London says:

          @Rob re Kings Road being so busy, is this with people who’ve been told they have to work, essential errands or just the rich denizens of the surrounding area thinking rules don’t apply to them.

          Since lockdown my neighbours, a late middle-aged couple, have had visitors on average at least twice per week. (We’re rural, so there’s only me that would see.) I ran out of excuses for them thinking it’s emergency visits by family, district nurse coming to visit etc, when I counted 6 cars there yesterday (they have 2 of their own). I am not sure why but I think they have continually flouted lockdown, they are relatively well off and I think they think rules don’t apply to them.

      • BJ says:

        Not just BoJo though, the time for (international) action was when things blew up in China. Most countries did too little too late.

    • Optimus Prime says:

      Wouldn’t it have been more effective 10 weeks ago when those returning from their ski trips to Italy spread it?

  • Toppcat says:

    I have just had the below warning message from our Revolutionary friends when I logged into the app:

    “We have identified excessive top-ups and transfers. Using R to gain points or provide yourself with a cash advance from your credit card is against our terms & conditions. If similar behaviour continues, we may need to suspend your account.”

    I have been topping up with HSBC WE and transferring the cash out to pay rent, and also pay for building work I am having done. Total of about £15k over the last 6 weeks or so. Suspect I will need to cool it for a while, and start varying my top-methods…

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Also use the card for some genuine shopping etc you have throw them something to make some money out of.

      • Toppcat says:

        Yes, I think they will be seeing my non-amex spend for a while…

    • ChrisBCN says:

      You mean Revolut, presumably.

    • Jonathan says:

      I had this following a few smallish top ups in close succession. It was followed by a KYC review proving source of funds and that. Review completed and no further mention of the app warning.

      I downloaded the personal t&c’s from the website and searched it for the words from the apps warning and couldn’t find anything. I decided to get the wife a card in case my account was closed and just do fewer larger topups now. So far so good albeit a few hundred pounds remains in there as any one time. I also throw the odd card payment in so it’s not all bank transfers to give a bit of a mix.

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      Yeah, probably 15k in 6 weeks could be pushing it if just transferring out! 😉

      • Tom H says:

        I ve always wandered this, I had the same message, but was upto 20kpm, so cooled it for 2 months down to a few hundred and now do less than 10kpm so far with out trouble.

        what are others experiences?

        • Secret Squirrel says:

          20k PM – wow that’s pushing it but do you use the card as a main payment model so lots of varied spend going through?
          It’s the usual top up, cash out without varied spend patterns that usually get people shut down quickly!

        • Henry says:

          Pretty greedy to be honest and it’s folk like you who get everything closed down.
          5k per week when I bet your earnings per week are no where near that in comparison
          Its going to be funny when they close you down and keep your cash balance until you jump through hoops to get it back.

          • Tom H says:

            Easy Henry, you have no idea of my income or day to day expenditure. Its like when some one thinks they fly a lot with 12 long haul trips a year and 40 nights in a hotel, then people on here do return flights to NYC weekly and over 160 nights in hotels. My point being its all relative and FWIW, none is MS its all my normal spend.

    • Heathrow Flyer says:

      HFP must have a disproportionate amount of folk who love a bit of cash-in-hand ‘building work’.

      • mike says:

        But not our OP by the sound of it! Paying by transfer from Revolut is a perfectly legal way to make a payment including VAT.
        If he was using a cash machine to take out his maximum every day on the other hand!

    • Anna (the original) says:

      Oh dear, I have similar bills to pay over the next month or so. I really want Spire & IHG points this year though so may have to be Revolutionary with some of it and take a Curvaceous hit on the rest…
      Does Rob have a sign up link at the moment, though as another option would be to sign up my OH?

      • John says:

        There was a referral bonus of £9 a few weeks ago but it’s gone now
        Does anyone know when it might come back?

      • Crafty says:

        The point of speaking in code is to stop automated data mining tools from finding your messages.

        When your code includes the *entire name* of each of the products you’re discussing…

        • ChrisBCN says:

          I love how you consider them smart enough to have ‘automated data mining tools’ but don’t consider them smart enough to look for variants on the names of things they are mining for 😂

          • MJ says:

            I feel like these companies must have people who occasionally scan through sites like this. If you just Ctrl F on a page and search “Rev” it really isn’t hard to find mentions for Revolut.

            It does make me laugh, reading the comments of people trying to be discreet.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            They aren’t going to scrape the internet for all words starting Rev imagine the amount of noise they would encounter.

            Revenue, revolution, etc etc all used on a daily basis my millions of people.

          • ChrisBCN says:

            TGL, you can combine words you know…. Revolution+money etc etc…. But the systems would be more advanced than that anyway, for those that care enough about them to have them

    • Michael says:

      I had the same message from Revolut twice in the space of a couple of weeks. Similar to you I probably put through about £17,000 through in a couple of months. Not enough varied spend for our Lithuanian friends methinks.

  • RB says:

    Has HfP missed the biggest news article of the day!? Hopefully securing facts from BA before publishing a well informed article.
    What I do know is that the 14 day quarantine period will be enforced, just incase anyone thought they could get away with it.

    • marcw says:

      Well, I guess BA won’t fly a “meaningful schedule in july”.

    • Anna (the original) says:

      Enforced by whom, exactly, and to what extent? If it’s not done in person, people will find ways around it, like they do with curfews and electronic tags in the justice system. You have to catch them, prove it AND get it home at court if they challenge it, the workload is colossal.

      • RB says:

        Not sure of exact specifics, usually by contact, but I know that I would be sacked if I didn’t comply as it’s going to be legislative. Let’s face it though, an additional two weeks at home or put up in a hotel after returning from a trip doesn’t sound too bad. I’m more curious to see how long they run it for, hopefully by Sep/Oct it will be lifted. Be nice if BA put pax up in Sofitel and we get the Accor points too.

        • Fenny says:

          And how many people can get 2 weeks off plus 2 weeks quarantine?

          • Rob says:

            You’re already working from home and your kids aren’t at school …

      • memesweeper says:

        Well, they have an empty Nightingale hospital in East London. March the newly arrived quanranteenees onto a bus and drive them there. The Chinese did mandatory quarantine, away from your family — and it appears to work. You can imagine inbound flights to the UK very rapidly becoming entirely empty apart from the truly desperate. Which is what we should have done when the RPC did it — pretty pointless now other than to give the travel industry a further battering.

    • Fenny says:

      Enforced where? If you arrive at LHR and then travel home via public transport, it really doesn’t matter if you sit on the sofa for the next 2 weeks, you’ve just potentially infected everything in between. Even with masks on flights, is nobody going to eat or drink anything en route?

      Are BF and all these new contract tracers who have yet to be recruited and trained going to question everyone who arrives about their journey as well as their address?

      If we’d done this 2 months, or even 1 month ago, it might be deemed useful. Now, it seems like a very late pierhead jump onto a long gone bandwagon.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Or you’ve been infected on your way home by 1 of the 1,000’s of infected people in the UK

    • BJ says:

      “What I do know is that the 14 day quarantine period will be enforced, just incase anyone thought they could get away with it.”

      You must be Robert Buckland, right?

  • Matty says:

    My partner’s Tier Points reset to zero overnight. She’s a GCH but had only accumulated 1290 TPs this year with lockdown. She was expecting to re-qualify again this year but couldn’t because of lockdown.

    I know BA reduced the level to 1090 TPs for those re-qualifying in March, April and May. Her account, however, is still showing the card expiring at the end of next month. What’s the process for renewal? I thought everything would update overnight?

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Won’t happen for a few days going on reports from people who reset last month.

    • AJA says:

      Matty your wife’s status will be renewed as Gold. The lower tier points were for April, May and June. It will take a few days to update the expiry date as the old card is still valid until the end of June. You just need to be patient.

  • TimM says:

    Overnight (I am an insomniac), the BBC World Service did a very interesting one-hour programme on the resumption of the aviation industry:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszcmt

    In summary, the experts pretty much agreed with the points already covered on this site. One one side, flights can resume between pairs of countries that have similar measures in place with the risks mitigated by measures such as health screening upon arrival at airports (thermal cameras and questionnaires), hand sanitisers, masks, empty middle seats etc., and on the other side, to use the opportunity to permanently reduce air travel. It was mentioned that travellers be offered a test at around €200 to avoid two weeks quarantine upon arrival – most likely to appeal to business travellers rather than economy tourists. I thought one expert was particularly honest, “Nobody knows, not even pundits on the BBC”.

    We shall see what Boris has to announce tomorrow.

    • John says:

      But if the test is positive presumably you still have to quarantine??

  • John says:

    Amex Section 75 claim – is it really so complicated? (not related to travel)

    I explained the story three times to three people on the phone and each of them said they had made full notes of the problem, except the second guy couldn’t see the first guy’s notes and the third guy couldn’t see anybody’s notes.

    Then they asked me to upload the relevant documents (had to upload the same documents 5 times due to paying in 5 installments and inability for call centre agents to copy them over).

    In the meantime they sent 5 separate letters from the USA saying that they would automatically close the dispute if the documents hadn’t been uploaded by a certain date – which was after the letters were received seeing as post is taking 2-3 weeks now.

    Then after the above was sorted – got an email saying “we’ve made a decision – your claim may fall under Section 75, so you need to explain the entire story on this special Section 75 form again, as well as resend all the documents you’ve already uploaded”.

    • Lady London says:

      I think the problem with various financial institutions is that they’ve been caught napping with systems that don’t allow their authorised staff to share access to data while they’re working at home. This would seem to be the case with Amex too from what you’re saying.

      To an extent financial institutions have been able to hide behind not enabling sensible secured access to their systems by saying it’s for data security or compliance reasons. They basically seem to be at the old stage of requiring physical access to systems only from their own offices. Whoever you phone basically can’t see much if anything.

      I’m dealing with a financial institution now trying to get something done. Everything turns into a message to be left for someone. No question can actually be answered by the person answering the phone. Answers provided are late, often not actually answering the question, not answering it in full or even irrelevant presumably not having understood the very precisely left question.

      I will be moving away from this provider as soon as I can. In 2020 I haven’t got time to deal with staff whose employers make them structurally incompetent. I also don’t want to leave my data and money with a company that’s effectively telling me its systems are so insecure they can’t be accessed from off-site. They can’t even provide answers for minor general queries about rules pertaining to account types etc. This level of incompetence of a provider these days means they are a risk.

      • Nick_C says:

        Just contacted Amex via online chat to merge two Membership Rewards accounts. The guy on chat said he could send a memo and it would take up to 14 days, but advised me to phone! Sorted on the phone in less than 6 minutes.

        I’ve been retired for quite a long time now, but when I was working from home 10 years ago I was using a Citrix connection to effectively work in the same way that I would in the office. Data appeared to be very secure. I couldn’t move any data between the workplace server and my personal laptop. The whole organisation had moved away from PCs and on to thin clients.

  • Lady London says:

    Anyone would think that the UK is not an epicentre of the virus. People from many other countries that have managed the virus promptly and considerably more successfully, are probably rightly frightened of visiting here.

    And yet, whilst having continued to allow unlimited landings daily at UK airports by aircraft from anywhere, bringing in people from key plague centres like New York, while the UK population has been locked down now for the past 7 weeks, no checks or constraint on people incoming was even mooted by our dear Government.

    Was Boris frightened of offending Mr. T. by restricting Americans in any way? Someone in the Cabinet must have mentioned this dissonance of licking up the population, and yet continuing to import anyone, to Boris. I wonder what Boris said at that time 7 weeks ago?
    And yet, out of the blue there is now 2 weeks unsupported quarantine for anyone that dares to leave the country and has to return.

    This is nuts. Is it really going to reduce cases? Once again too little, too late, and now too much, far far too late.

    • GeorgeJ says:

      But is it a ploy to be able to drop the FCO blanket non essential travel ban and replace it with quarantine on return? You can go on holiday where you like (ie Austria and take a test on arrival) but expect inconvenience when you come back?
      The more interesting question is for anyone holding a summer holiday booking since this may mean that it could theoretically go ahead (if the receiving country has the inclination to accept you – and some will) but any normal holiday maker may not want to go under these conditions. Potentially a lot of cancellations without recompense by airline, tour company or insurance. Definitely not a time to be making that final payment until we see what shape this emerges in.

      • J says:

        I don’t think many countries will be rushing to accept visitors from the UK this summer as the virus is clearly not under control in the UK. And there’s incompetent leadership, in the rest of Europe, Boris is considered not much better than Trump.

    • Josh says:

      Is there really much in the way of travellers from the US at the moment? Flights themselves don’t tell us much. They are probably, more or less, empty, save for cargo.

      • Funtime says:

        My daughter flew into Heathrow this morning from Chicago. The plane was practically empty. She didn’t really enjoy her in flight meal of a slice of pizza.

        She had a connecting flight from Detroit, that was the same.

        All three airports were extremely quiet as was my 260 mile round trip drive on Motorway 40.

      • Lady London says:

        Who knows how many visitors we have landing daily from where, ATM. While the UK population is locked down. Isn’t that the point?

        • Secret Squirrel says:

          Agree LL, why we didn’t take notice of other countries & learnt by their lessons & tested everyone coming into our airports I do not know.

    • marcw says:

      Very sensible comment, but imho “blaming foreigners at this stage is just a populist agenda”, to distract from the actual in-house spread of the disease, which is not under control.

      • marcw says:

        I know… but it gives the wrong message to all those ignorant people, by imposing a 14 day quarantine to anyone who enters the country” it´s like you are blaming the “foreigners for the problem”, when in fact, the problem is already within the community.

        It´s giving the wrong message (I think). If you are Austria, Australia, Denmark or New Zealand, it´s a sensible policy. But at this stage, in a country like UK where the virus is everywhere already? Shouldn´t you rather impose a very strict lock-down so you can control the problem?

        • marcw says:

          That´s exactly what I mean – and probably many other share as well. The effectivity of it now, is pointless – it’s a political agenda to shift the attention for ignorant people to blame foreigners and foreign countries.

        • Rob says:

          …. but it ‘self declared’ ‘at home’ quarantine, so it makes no difference to UK citizen returning unless you have a job where you need to go to. When kids return to school it is more of an issue.

      • Anna (the original) says:

        I think it’s quite clear that “arriving passengers” includes UK nationals, and that they pose as much as a risk as anyone else on a particular flight!

  • Spaghetti Town says:

    If the UK government did nothing and just let people walk in through the door, you’d all be complaining and winging.

    As it stands, the UK government is attempting to do something about it, and you’re still all complaining and winging.

    • Darren says:

      I agree with the measure but the complaint is that it should’ve been in place in Feb/Mar.

    • J says:

      EU countries banned non essential travel nearly 2 months ago!

      • Nick_C says:

        So did we. English law says “During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.” Going on holiday is unlikely to be considered a reasonable excuse.

    • marcw says:

      Since the end of march, the EU is banning all non-essential travel from non-Schengen residents (except UK). Some countries have gone further, like Spain, banning all visitors that are not Spanish nationals or permanent residents.

      • J says:

        Germany are only allowing entry to citizens and residents (or travel for some other exceptional reason). I think the Netherlands and Sweden have a more relaxed policy but this is otherwise pretty EU wide.

        • marcw says:

          Yes, but still no entry allowed to non EU/Schengen citizens/residents.

          The Netherlands had 14 day quarantine and flight ban from Spain and Italy, but (I think) they´ve lifted these specific country restrictions already.

    • GeorgeJ says:

      The complaint is that this is yesterdays measure for tomorrow! and is policy by Sun headline.
      If it was needed it should have been when we had 1million people a week arriving in LHR.
      Current volumes are next to nothing compared to then, about 20,000 a day I believe.
      A bit of simple math can show the non-extent of the problem. Official UK statistics show that we have had an infection rate of @ 4 per thousand (and only some of these are still infectious). The ONS has run survey data to try to determine the infectious population (including asymmetric and those with negligible symptoms) and come up with a a top line number of new infections at 20,000 per day (of which about 5k get tested) and a population of @400,000 capable of spreading, ie about 6 per thousand.
      So if we have 20000 arriving per day and they follow our own dire numbers of infection that is a mere 120 (6 *20) new cases to add to the 20,000 and you can see why the scientific advise has been that it isnt worth bothering about. You can flex these numbers anyway you like and it still comes to a row of beans.
      Of course if home cases decline and travel volumes pick up then imported cases could become more significant but both numbers have to move a long way before this happens.
      This is really just a way of keeping us at home for the summer without leaving the FCO travel ban in place (since that has implications for other policies), but it may mean we cant cancel bookings for cause. The sad thing is it will probably be popular!

    • Lee says:

      Couldn’t agree more, some people will always be negative and find the downside, particularly where they are politically led. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

      • AJA says:

        I’m with GeorgeJ and Lee on this. And as others have pointed out above our neighbours in the EU already had quarantine measures and travel bans in place so those 1m who were arriving into the UK can’t have gone on to those countries in the EU unless they were returning resident. Therefore imposing quarantine measures on arrival in the UK two months ago would merely have made it impossible for travellers to get home via the UK (see previous threads here and on FT when Singapore did exactly that and the issues it caused).

        I get that some people are not Tories and are anti whatever our government does, that’s called freedom of choice and thought, but to blame this government of doing too little too late is neither helpful nor going to retrospectively solve the problem. I am not saying the UK has been perfect, it hasn’t, and I am not saying mistakes haven’t been made, but we are were we are.

        The idea of imposing quarantine measures now is to prevent a spike of infections from people now entering the UK from places that have started to kift restrictions and given the majority of people in the UK should still be observing lockdown and not travelling since the ban on travel has not been lifted I don’t see what the problem is.

      • Spaghetti Town says:

        If they’d put a travel ban in place two months ago, then you’d all be saying one of the following:

        A – It’s too early, you’ll wreck the economy!
        B – It’s too late, you’ve wrecked the economy, you should of done it in February, when we only had 6 cases!

    • Navara says:

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