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The US Department of Transport has tentatively approved the Aer Lingus application to join the British Airways and American Airlines transatlantic joint venture. Iberia and Finnair are also part of the agreement.

A fourteen day window is now open for responses, after which a formal approval is likely to be granted. Approval by the European Commission is expected to follow shortly.

This means that all five airlines will be able to co-ordinate scheduling and pricing on flights between Europe and the US.

Aer Lingus A321LR

In such a joint venture, all revenues are pooled and re-distributed based on an internally agreed formula. When you buy a flight to New York on British Airways, part of your fare goes to Iberia, American Airlines, Finnair and now Aer Lingus.

According to the US DOT, Aer Lingus currently has a 44% market share of flights between Ireland and the US. The joint venture will now have a 60% share as the American Airlines services to Ireland will be included.

There is, however, strong competition (given the size of the domestic Irish market) from other carriers. This is expected to increase now that the new generation of single aisle aircraft have the range to fly from Ireland to the US East Coast.

Aer Lingus crew

This is good news for those of us in the UK. As part of the joint venture, transatlantic Aer Lingus flights will now give full Avios and tier points even if other Aer Lingus flights do not. Aer Lingus flights previously did not earn British Airways Executive Club tier points so this is a big improvement.

Will Aer Lingus launch Manchester services?

The approval of the joint venture makes the rumours that Aer Lingus will launch US flights from a UK regional airport more likely.

In September, the Irish Times reported that six UK airports including Manchester and Edinburgh had submitted bids for the flights, which would likely use Airbus A321 Long Range aircraft. These aircraft can fly non-stop between Ireland, the UK and the Eastern seaboard of the United States and feature 16 fully flat business class seats.

It seems that Manchester has won the deal with Aer Lingus applying for 1,500 take-off and landing slots for the April to October season. The request covers 3 x A321LR aircraft (single aisle) and one two-aisle A330, which would be enough to cover four US routes. The A330 can reach the US West Coast whilst the A321LR can only reach the East Coast.

This would put Aer Lingus in direct competition with Virgin Atlantic at a time when Virgin was hoping for a clear run following the demise of Thomas Cook.

Aer Lingus never intended to launch routes from the UK. However, coronavirus has meant that it now has a large fleet of new aircraft with little sign of enough domestic demand to fill them.

Whilst the BA/AA transatlantic joint venture was due for renewal this year, an extension has been granted until 2024 due to disruption caused by the pandemic. The 2024 review will now have to also consider whether the addition of Aer Lingus has reduced competition even further.

It will still take some time for the new joint venture agreement to come into effect, so don’t expect to be earning BA tier points from Aer Lingus transatlantic flights until well into 2021.


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Comments (48)

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  • LEWIS says:

    Is this really good news for us? Sure it means tier points. It also means less competition and higher prices

  • NigelthePensioner says:

    Price scheduling = price fixing?

    • Rob says:

      Correct. But arguably IAG could align Lingus prices anyway so this doesn’t change much.

    • Doug M says:

      Airlines do this all the time regardless of alliance. How often is a price available on Oneworld suddenly available on SkyTeam and so forth.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        but that s caused by competition. Skyteam are dropping fares to compete with Oneworld and vice versa

  • Anna says:

    This is great news for MAN if it provides more choice to the US – currently the only direct OW service is the ridiculously over-priced AA flight to PHL.

    • Doug M says:

      Depends how you feel about flying 7+ hours on a narrow body, regardless of seating.

      • Nick_C says:

        I think many people would prefer a narrow body if the seating was comfortable. I loved the BA1/A318. And the upper deck on the 747 – a narrow body experience – was always very popular.

    • daftboy says:

      Just on a technical point, the way the JV works means that Aer Lingus doesn’t compete against AA, they just each share in the pot of transatlantic revenue (alongside BA and the other airlines in the JV) – so this may or may not impact the price of AA’s flights to PHL, either way they still get a cut of the overall revenue

  • Hingis says:

    I’m disappointed birmingham isn’t going to get the service. We’ve lost our only East Coast years ago and would love to see a replacement!

    • Scott says:

      But you’ll be getting your super duper £100b+ rail-link to that London which will shave a good 4-5 seconds off a journey to LHR 😉

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Crazy isn’t it all that money and Birmingham airport will be better connected than Heathrow!

        • Lady London says:

          Is the government still bothering with that rail link? Really? I’ll be voting them out then…. for stupidity

      • Andrew says:

        It would be helpful if there were a train that went directly from Birmingham to Manchester via Manchester Airport.

        I don’t mind changing trains, but a 20+ minute wait at Crewe… Even in August there’s a biting chill on the platforms there (not as bad as changing at Stafford though).

  • Andrew says:

    Is there a risk now that the historic arrangement with United will beA ended?

    It’s been quite convenient to send the points earned on trips between EDI and the USA on United to Aer Lingus

    • Rhys says:

      Maybe, but then BA is still partnered with LATAM even though Delta took a stake.

  • Polly says:

    Also do we lose our low tax options departing from Dublin to the USA? That was the best bit. However, earning TPs will be an added bonus.

    Good point re United tie in. My family earned many avios on the United route bk and forth from Dublin over the years.

    • Rhys says:

      No – you still get your low taxes with Iberia and they’ve been part of the JV for years! No reason why a business arrangement should affect a country’s taxation policies!

  • mark says:

    It would be nice if Aer Lingus dropped in a MAN to LAS flight to shake up Virgin, but anything from MAN to USA is a massive improvement for us northern folk.

    • Polly says:

      Bet they will have good launch promo fares too…certainly their current Cash fares from Dublin are real bargains.

  • Paul Pogba says:

    Is the award if tiers points likely to be part of the Oneworld Connect arrangement?

    • Rob says:

      It’s not clear. This is also quite complex for Air Lingus because they suddenly gain Iberia, Finnair and AA as partners when they weren’t before. Oneworld Connect seems unlikely though.

      • Polly says:

        And they find it difficult enough to deal with the most basic aer club issues. Some of their cs seriously do not understand their own club. It was bad enough with gold circle, l think it’s even worse now. Dread to think how they will cope dealing with query from these experienced TPs travellers from this group…
        Joining OW would actually make it easier for them. Still can’t see why IAG haven’t incorporated them into OW tho.

        • Rhys says:

          I imagine membership in OW costs something, and Aer Lingus is far more value oriented than Iberia or BA so maybe they don’t see any reason to.

        • marcw says:

          BAEC will have to deal with “experienced” TP travellers, not AerClub.
          Aer Lingus won’t join ow, there’s really no benefit to them joining. Aer Lingus’ network is quite limited – as long as they have a partner on the other side of the Atlantic, that’s about it. It used to be United – now it seems it will switch to American Airlines.

        • ankomonkey says:

          Some of us are still waiting for the free Avios for opening an Aer Club account. I’m taking this one to the grave…

    • Charlieface says:

      You guys OK?
      Did nobody see this:
      https://simpleflying.com/dot-aer-lingus-oneworld-jv/

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