The final British Airways London City A318 aircraft is scrapped

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• ChrisC says:

  19 Feb19 February 05:58

  I’m sad the BA1 is no more. It was my preferred TATL route.

  Was just, for me, so much more a civilised way to fly and the LGW crew were always excellent.

• EwanG says:

  19 Feb19 February 06:53

  Re The Mail. It clearly wasn’t priced incorrectly if they are to honour the deal for those who were invited and took up the offer.

  If affected (and I am not) I would challenge back to them but only if I’d signed up before they added the extra condition to the signup page, which Rob said took place “lunchtime-ish”.

  • Stu says:

    19 Feb19 February 07:07

    Unfortunately, it would seem the challenges they are receiving from a number of people are just being ignored. Why am I not surprised from such an unscrupulous rag?

  • TGLoyalty says:

    19 Feb19 February 07:18

    Yup very poor advice

    That I certainly won’t be listening to and the T&C says they can cancel before confirming.

    They confirmed orders and activated subscriptions then cancelled a few days later!

    • A says:

      19 Feb19 February 07:55

      If the subscription was in fact activated then you would be on fairly strong ground. Term that gives them the right to determine at any time in the future that they didn’t actually accept your offer, after they’ve carried out the objectively verifiable action the T+Cs says is what constitutes acceptance, is, on balance, not likely to be enforceable.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        19 Feb19 February 08:16

        Exactly.

      • Ken says:

        19 Feb19 February 08:56

        If you were targeted fair enough.
        We tried to game an offer and it didn’t work, nothing lost.
        No one is taking any legal action, the idea is laughable.
        Too many ale house legal experts.

        Move on.

        • A says:

          19 Feb19 February 09:43

          I don’t disagree as a general matter and I wouldn’t myself pursue it – not worth the time and effort for a small pay-off. Everyone had a free shot at the Nectar points, got their money back, so I don’t see much value in pursuing.

          But the problem with the “targeted offer” point is that the T&Cs did not describe it as such – it was not expressly limited only to those targeted (at least initially).

          The DM ‘s method of restricting it to the targeted group was…nonsensical. It would be akin to putting up a special offer poster somewhere not typically frequented by people, and giving directions to that poster to the people they wanted to see it. They put it somewhere they thought no-one, other than the people they gave the special directions to, would find. But some people who were given the special directions shared them – as was obviously going to be the case. So they ought to have said, in the T&Cs – if you were targeted (based on cross-referencing your name against the list of people we gave the special directions to ) the terms are as above; if you were not so targeted, we won’t be accpeting your offer to purchase a subscription.

          Still – does not to me seem worth pursuing further.

        • EwanG says:

          19 Feb19 February 09:51

          When clicking through from the offer page on the DM site, it gave you the option to log into an existing MyMail account or to create a new account. There is no reason to think it is targeted if it allows that second option!

        • ken says:

          19 Feb19 February 10:15

          It doesn’t need to say anything in the terms & conditions.

          Legally, you aren’t allowed to send marketing emails unless the reciever has agreed to recieve them.

          You are using an offer that you know perfectly well wasn’t intended for you.

          To take an extreme example, a friend posted a link to a local hospital where you were invited to book a Covid test even though not in groups 1-9.
          It wasn’t a scam, it was allegedly to use ‘spare’ vaccine as end of sessions. People did indeed book, you needed your details and NHS number. The booking was accepted.
          Then rescinded.

          Who do I sue ?

        • James says:

          19 Feb19 February 10:35

          Well said Ken, some people are so caught up in their own entitlement they can’t see common sense.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          19 Feb19 February 10:39

          “It doesn’t need to say anything in the terms & conditions.”

          They put it on the internet! Your view is utter nonsense they in no way makes it clear to anyone that stumbled upon that link that it’s for targeted customers only.

          It’s that simple.

        • Rob says:

          19 Feb19 February 10:46

          I’ve often thought that I could get a nice sideline in getting companies to pay me £1,000 per time to review the T&C of their promotions to point out the loopholes, given how many articles I write on HfP which contain the words ‘the T&C are not clear but …..’.

        • James says:

          19 Feb19 February 10:49

          Instead of proselytizing on here TGL, invest your time in the legal action you think you can successfully take, and let us know how that goes.
          Anyone else with common sense would stay well clear of wasting their time in this way.

        • A says:

          19 Feb19 February 12:17

          Yes, Ken – it does have to say so in the terms and conditions, which set forth the factual matrix against which a court would assess whether or not a contract had been formed.

          Your hospital comparison is a straw man, because it’s not a contractual situation and neither party had any intention to create legal relations.

        • BlueThroughCrimp says:

          19 Feb19 February 16:16

          Talks of Legal Action over a targeted promotion you weren’t targeted for?
          The entitlement of some is staggering.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          19 Feb19 February 16:53

          @James there’s only one of us talking about legal action and it’s not me

        • James says:

          19 Feb19 February 17:19

          @TGL you’ve been suggesting for days the cancellations aren’t legal, dispute/differ in view from the advice given today by HfP, that the DM don’t have a leg to stand on, and now you tell us you’re not the one talking about legal action… laughable.
          The only thing I take from this pointless (in so many ways) conversation, is that you’re a bit of a rabblerouser who enjoys egging others on but who doesn’t have the strength of their own convictions.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          19 Feb19 February 19:20

          @james Exercising my own right to complain isn’t the same as taking legal action. Defined as “ legal proceedings; a lawsuit.”

          I have and will pursue my own complaint against DM’s decision to cancel our contract AFTER they had activated my subscription.

        • James says:

          19 Feb19 February 21:01

          I’m sure you and them will get along swimmingly, not least given that you both have a love of shouting in block capitals. Enjoy.

    • shuggy says:

      19 Feb19 February 12:19

      some interesting comments – I have plenty of time on my hands, the amount isn’t chump change – You can’t go around making contracts with people who fulfilled their part of the offer, and then breech it
      T&C’s 3.3 is very clear as to how the contract is made, T&C’s 4.4 talks about “pricing error” but that’s not correct either, as it was a genuine offer with correct pricing that someone could purchase it at

      anyway, I’m quite happy to continue to the small claims court and will just use the points to purchase food for the local food bank if I’m successful – I have have nothing to loose – they’ve even refunded me my money, despite me not asking for it

• Andrew says:

  19 Feb19 February 06:58

  Not the Iberia 90k we were hoping for then! These companies have got smart to our game.

  • Number9 says:

    19 Feb19 February 07:05

    With people phoning them up to see if they will get the points although they weren’t targeted of course the companies will kick back.

    • James says:

      19 Feb19 February 09:50

      And they were always going to kick back when they found take up of the offer well exceeded what they expected/targeted too, phone calls or not.

    • Lady London says:

      19 Feb19 February 11:18

      I think I even saw it on HUKD. So I knew it would be gone quickly.

  • Harry T says:

    19 Feb19 February 07:23

    100% most of the early adopters would have slipped under the radar if it hadn’t been for the usual crowd of belligerents.

    • Doug M says:

      19 Feb19 February 10:17

      I think this is wrong. Send 10 emails get 20 responses would have been a big clue.

  • Red Flyer says:

    19 Feb19 February 07:38

    Too many MSE door handles on here now. I remember the good old days when I used to tell my colleagues in sales about some of my travel exploitsand how HfP had helped me to achieve them and it was like I’d just shown them fire for the first time! 😂

    • BuildBackBetter says:

      19 Feb19 February 08:07

      People have too much time on their hands. Can’t wait for lockdown to end.

    • BJ says:

      19 Feb19 February 08:22

      I think the hot and cold site is the problem, I think there is somebody seeing offers here who then immediately posts them there. Don’t know exactly how long it has been going on but it wasn’t always the case. In the old days we often got to enjoy opportunities for many days before the masses got wind of them, ofcourse there are masses on HfP now too so partly a victim of it’s own success 🙂 Good practice to read the site early, frequently and also late at night.

      • Jayne says:

        19 Feb19 February 09:43

        Have a word with yourself BJ, you are the masses.

      • BJ says:

        19 Feb19 February 10:26

        I’ve read and contributed to HfP from the outset and never ever posted anything at all I learned on HfP on another site except cross referencing with ShopperPoints. I don’t even read other travel/loyalty sites anymore except checking LL. I wouldn’t dream of calling the DM or others to query loopholes or rules.

        • Lady London says:

          19 Feb19 February 11:21

          same here

      • The cyclist says:

        19 Feb19 February 11:08

        Some of us have got lives though!

        • BJ says:

          19 Feb19 February 11:53

          Why I only read HfP, no time for any more.

    • Doug M says:

      19 Feb19 February 10:22

      Maybe, but the comments section sharing info from other sites has always happened. Harry/Shoestring posted many deals that had come from MSE and UKHD type sites and many took advantage. The idea that posting on the Internet is a means to keep something between a contained group of people is silly.

      • Lady London says:

        19 Feb19 February 11:22

        Harry mostly posted stuff that he’d worked out himself.

        • Genghis says:

          19 Feb19 February 15:33

          I remember back in the day Harry posting a link from IIRC a South Korean members group. His reading was far and wide, scouring for offers 🙂

      • BJ says:

        19 Feb19 February 11:59

        Not foolproof, nobody is suggesting it is, but it goes without saying that the more visitors the site get then the more widely things learned from it will likely be share elsewhere.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          19 Feb19 February 16:58

          I love how people justify the idiots by saying but they would have found out anyway!

          The point is they no only drew them a map they jumped up and down on the spot and shouted look over here ASAP

    • Yorkieflyer says:

      19 Feb19 February 11:17

      Perhaps we need a new HFP Centurion invite only, to keep out the blabber mouth hoi polloi?

    • Lady London says:

      19 Feb19 February 11:19

      what’s a door handle in this context?

      • Stu N says:

        19 Feb19 February 12:12

        k nob

• Alan says:

  19 Feb19 February 07:40

  I’m not sure I’d recommend signing up to their email newsletter as a reward to them for not honouring a deal (I didn’t sign up for the offer so not directly affected but just generally try to avoid them!)

• Ben says:

  19 Feb19 February 08:07

  To the idiots who called up questioning the mail, thanks, ruining it for the rest of us!

  • xcalx says:

    19 Feb19 February 08:41

    That same finger could be pointed at Rob over the years. How many times has he let the cat out of the bag on earning opportunities some of us had found through trial and error without the spoonfeeding, then to wake up one morning to see all the effort ended with one article. This is not a criticism. Readers need to realise this is a game you win some you lose some. Move on.

    • Rob says:

      19 Feb19 February 09:15

      Almost never. We don’t write about the real secret stuff. We don’t write about stuff that we would kill if it became widely known (because there is no point). If we’re really honest, no-one gives a monkeys – at least not enough people to make it worth our while. We can do 100,000 page views on a very good day, and writing about some niche dodge has ZERO interest to that sort of wide market.

      Feel free to set up a niche manufactured spend blog if you like, but you’ll not get more than 2,500 views per day and your ad revenue will be around £3 per day. Hardly funds the £2k+ of weekly overheads we have.

      • Keely says:

        19 Feb19 February 11:18

        Rob I’m now intrigued about the really secret stuff ……….

      • xcalx says:

        19 Feb19 February 11:27

        So you don’t think drawing mass attention to the daily mail offer killed it for some who would have gone under the radar having heard about it from a colleague who had received the offer and took a punt on it coming off.

        No need for your last paragraph rant either.

        • Rhys says:

          19 Feb19 February 11:35

          I find this sort of ‘offer gatekeeping’ very odd. A loophole is just that – a loophole. You win some and you lose some, and I’m sure you’ve benefited from some of the offers we’ve published before in the past that you wouldn’t have heard about otherwise 🙂

        • xcalx says:

          19 Feb19 February 11:49

          @ rhys Look at the post that’s what I said

          readers need to realise this is a game you win some you lose some. Move on.

        • Rob says:

          19 Feb19 February 12:17

          I agree with that, but we are talking about literally a handful of people (20?) at most. And how do you think we found about it? By people sending it to us to share with other readers.

• Gavin says:

  19 Feb19 February 08:20

  I really enjoyed BA1 and the return flight several years ago. Unfortunately however the return flight was forced to land at LGW after circling for a while due to fog (apparently not uncommon during the winter) which removed all the advantages of arriving early into LCY!

• Henk says:

  19 Feb19 February 08:44

  Twente Aircraft? I think you mean Twente Airport. AELS will decommission the aircraft.

• Neil says:

  19 Feb19 February 08:53

  RE: The Daily Mail – or just save your money and don’t fund hate with such a bigoted paper.

  • Rob says:

    19 Feb19 February 09:10

    Neil, you’re missing the point. If you dislike it so much, you should have bought 100 subscriptions – they were losing £100 on each one.

    • Andrew says:

      19 Feb19 February 09:29

      I wouldn’t imagine they are paying Nectar face value for the points.

      • Rob says:

        19 Feb19 February 10:40

        You’re right – they pay more than face value. This is why Nectar lost all its partners.

        Why, in a million years, would Nectar sell points to the Mail for under 0.5p when it is on the hook for 0.5p when you spend them?!

        This idea that partners buy points for peanuts is nonsense. I know a small Avios partner that was paying 2p per Avios – more than you can buy them for directly. Normal Avios partners are paying 1p. Even Amex pays close to 1p, apparently. The ludicrous profitability of IAG Loyalty shows you how much margin there is.

    • Nathan says:

      19 Feb19 February 14:23

      I was tempted for this very reason alone, but still couldn’t bring myself to put my details on the server of such militant scumbaggery.

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