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Qantas confirms non-stop London to Sydney flights from 2025

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Qantas has announced its ‘Project Sunrise’ non-stop flights from Sydney and Melbourne to Europe with a confirmed order for 12 Airbus A350s.

(This article was previously written speculatively but overnight Qantas confirmed the news – fortunately, virtually everything we wrote has been confirmed. The article below has now been updated.)

Qantas has been discussing ‘Project Sunrise’ since 2017, challenging Airbus and Boeing to propose a solution that would allow such flights. If the pandemic had not intervened then the aircraft would be under construction by now, and in service next year.

Lots of new jets on order for Qantas

Qantas announced the purchase of 12 Airbus A350-1000ULR aircraft today. ULR stands for ‘ultra long range’. These will be built with an additional fuel tank which will allow them to fly fully loaded from Sydney to London.

In addition, Qantas has also placed a large order for single aisle aircraft to renew its domestic and short haul fleet. It has ordered 20 A321XLRs and 20 A220 aircraft to gradually replace the 737 and 717s currently in its fleet, with options to purchase up to 94 more over the coming decade. The first of these will arrive in late 2023.

It is interesting that Qantas has chosen the A321XLR version, which offers the largest range of any narrow body aircraft at up to 4,700nm and certainly more than enough for domestic routes. That would be enough for it to fly from Sydney to Hong Kong, Brisbane to Tokyo or Sydney to Bangkok.

It may be that Qantas has opted for a single aircraft that can do both short and longer routes, in order to increase compatibility across its network. The excellent A220 aircraft can then pick up some of the smaller and thinner domestic routes.

Qantas has been trialling direct flights to Australia since 2018 when it launched its non-stop London to Perth service. This uses a standard Boeing 787-9 aircraft and takes 17 hours to cover the 14,498 km distance. London to Sydney or Melbourne is beyond the scope of existing aircraft.

First flights will operate to New York and London, followed by Paris and Frankfurt. Rio de Janeiro and Cape Town could also welcome the jets according to initial plans.

Qantas A350-1000 ULR

Qantas’ new A350-1000ULR

The A350-1000ULR aircraft will have the ability to fly for 21 hours. This is enough for the routes under consideration, even after building in flexibility to deal with bad weather diversions and other potential issues en route.

The aircraft will carry 238 passengers in a four class configuration, including First Class, with internal changes to give passengers more chance to walk around during the flight. Over 40% of capacity (and a much higher percentage of floor space) will be dedicated to premium passengers.

Entirely new seating will be developed, and Qantas has already pulled back the curtain on a very impressive First class suite:

Qantas A350 First

and

Qantas A350 First 2

As you can see, each First class seat takes up the wall width – there is no tessellation of other passengers like you would find in most business class cabins. Instead, Qantas has created a suite with a closing door that features both a permanent bed and seat, similar to Singapore’s impressive A380 First class. Here is a full video of the new Qantas first class cabin:

Storage appears to be plentiful and the suite features a 32″ in-flight entertainment screen.

The A350-1000ULR solution is believed to be attractive because, whilst the aircraft can handle ultra-long flights, they are equally suitable for shorter intercontinental trips. They will also allow Qantas to bypass international hubs such as Singapore and fly direct – and will eventually replace the hub-to-hub A380 operations.

None of this will come tomorrow, of course. These ultra long-haul flights are due to start in 2025, although whether they start on time is another matter. Fortunately, the A350-1000ULR is just a modified A350 so it is unlikely to be delayed as long as Boeing’s new 777X.

How will British Airways respond?

One question worth considering is whether British Airways will drop flights to Australia in 2025. After many years of losses, and after Virgin Atlantic abandoned the route, British Airways had finally started to make money with its flights to Sydney pre-pandemic.

The strategy had been to use smaller, more fuel efficient aircraft, and effectively abandon the backpacker market to Emirates and Qatar. If the business market moves en masse to the direct Qantas flights, irrespective of cost, British Airways may have no choice but to walk away. Running a base in Singapore to handle the Sydney flights adds extra complexity to BA’s operations.

Comments (81)

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  • Susan says:

    Even with the ability to walk around 21 hours in a Y seat is a big ask. Suspect I will still book a 2-leg for leisure. Emirates down the back out ranks BA by a country mile already.

    • BJ says:

      Personally I even find 15h in business a bit of a stretch. Air travel must be the only example of technology going backwards in 21stC … bring back Concorde and supersonic commercial flights!

      • RussellH says:

        Until someone develops a emissions-free supersonic machine, that is not going to happen.

        And I always understood that Concorde died for commercial reasons, not environmental ones.

        In my final year at school we were taken to a presentation by Barnes Wallace about proposed LON-SYD rockets that would do the journey in about 4 hours.
        I have not seen any progress on those either.
        🙂

  • Gordon says:

    Read this on BBC news app at 4am, Interesting…

  • Dubious says:

    I can’t see Qantas offering enough capacity to influence BAs flights (passenger and cargo). I assume the Project Sunrise flights won’t have much cargo capacity.

  • John T says:

    I will never understand why anyone would want to take a 20 hour nonstop flight, even if they could…

    • Andrew J says:

      Convenience, time efficiency.

    • Dominic says:

      With only 238 seats on board, it is a relatively limited crowd compared to the overall numbers that’ll by flying these routes – so will largely be those looking for absolute extreme efficiency (though I’d have thought a stopover with insanely good internet would be preferable for most).

    • masaccio says:

      Is it any worse than two back-to-back 10-12 hour flights with a couple of hours sleepwalking around an airport? I’ve done the kangaroo route with back-to-backs and with layovers and I prefer just getting over with it

      • John T says:

        Because premium passengers use a short transit to shower, change their clothes and stretch their legs. It breaks up a very long journey. I would much rather do this than save 2 hours by going nonstop.

        • masaccio says:

          So there we go then. Enough choice for you and me. As with Perth I’m sure we can expect both direct and indirect to stay

    • The Savage Squirrel says:

      I have a family member in Aus who has done a 3 day business trip to the UK before Covid. Sounds soul-destroying: so much flying for so little ground time to me, not to mention the cost to benefit ratio, but that’s big business for you, and this fast-turnaround time-sensitive market definitely does exist.

      • The Savage Squirrel says:

        …and that’s to the relative provincial backwater of Perth. I’d imagine the demand to the two big hubs of Melbourne and Sydney is an order of magnitude greater…

      • SydneySwan says:

        Several years ago I made 2 * 4 day business trips from Sydney to London return on Qantas. Both outward flights were J and I was fortunate to be upgraded to F on the return legs. Flights stopped in Singapore each way. I regarded the opportunity to stretch my legs in Singapore each way as a lifesaver.

        Others can take part in the Qantas experiment but I will stick with breaking up such a long journey.

    • qrfan says:

      Because sitting on a hard seat for 1 hour at a gate while the same aircraft is refuelled and cleaned doesn’t actually make the process any more pleasant. It might be medically beneficial but in terms of general enjoyment I don’t think there’s much in it. A nice lounge break in Doha or Dubai is a different question though!

  • Hardy says:

    This should really be all an premium product. I cannot see anyone getting on this to save 2hrs. The price will be greater than say a Qatar or Emirates connecting flight.
    I may as well make it all premium economy and business, charge 1.5-2x of economy and run the flights. I had a choice between the Qatar connection flight or the direct Darwin Sydney one. I couldn’t see myself doing the direct one.
    I think it’s a great expensive experiment

    • ChrisC says:

      But a lot of people would take this flight to save two hours.

      And it avoids a lot of issues some people may have with whether they need a transit visa for some intermediate stops or if their flight to Oz from the intermediate stop gets delayed or cancelled.

      If QF didn’t believe there is a market for these ultra long flights they wouldn’t be doing this. And the PER-LHR shows there is a market.

      And there are already other ultra long flights such as SIN – NYC on SQ so QF aren’t the only airline in this game.

    • John says:

      I am not opposed to a QR stopover, including staying in the city for a night, but certainly see value in London to Perth direct (the Darwin flight will revert to Perth in June) in that you arrive directly in the country, then take a domestic flight to SYD later on rather than immediately.

      I don’t think I will choose LHR-SYD direct unless the price is amazing or the flight time somehow gets shorter.

      • John T says:

        The price won’t be amazing. Qantas will charge more for these flights than connecting flights. LHR-SYD in QF Y+ return right now on the one stop services is at least £4,000 return.

        • The Jetset Boyz says:

          Been looking at flights recently from various points across South East Asia and you’re looking at over 4K, some are 5K and more!

          Flight prices around the world are higher at the moment due to a number of reasons:

          1: Higher cost of aviation fuel.

          2: Demand is outstripping supply and in most markets, airports & airlines don’t have enough staff to operate more flights. Recruiting is proving to be extremely difficult.

          3: The war in Ukraine.

          • AndyC says:

            4. Mitigation of losses racked up during Covid
            pandemic😎.

          • Rob says:

            Airlines are, in general, price takers and not price setters. If BA decided that it was going to charge no less than £1,000 in Economy to New York to offset its covid losses, it would soon realise that.

            Even if you have a market leading product, there is a still a fairly fixed differential you can charge over poorer products which are being operated by price takers.

  • masaccio says:

    Let’s hope Russia has finished making a fool of itself in Eastern Europe by then. The LHR-SYD great circle includes quite a bit of Russia. That flight would be even longer

    • John T says:

      Flights aren’t launching for 3.5 years. Another pandemic could be over by then.

      • jeff77 says:

        The Russia-Ukraine war probably won’t be though

        • Jack says:

          it will be long over by then Russia will have to give up they do not have enough troops as it is

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