Hyatt to open its first property in Scotland

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• tony says:

  7 Oct7 October 06:52

  The Schloss Roxburghe is owned and operated by an outfit called 12.18 in Germany, so presumably that – somehow – explains the name.

  12.18 also own – amongst others – the 7 Pines in Ibiza, which has moved under the Destinations by Hyatt portfolio already.

  • Rhys says:

    7 Oct7 October 09:11

    Erm, Schloss Roxburghe was prevoiusly owned by the Duke of Roxeburgh, a Scottish peerage from the 18th Century! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Roxburghe

    • tony says:

      7 Oct7 October 09:36

      Yes, but critically the SCHLOSS bit is kind of new. You said it wasn’t clear why the hotel capitalises on it, but I think it’s kind of obvious given the recent history.

      Back in the 1960s it was the Sunlaws Hotel. At that point the Duke bought it and turned it into the Roxburghe Hotel. The Savills website (likely more accurate that Wikipedia but they are estate agents so I don’t know) states that in 2018 the property and golf course were acquired by 12.18 from Roxburghe Estates and presumably at that time they felt a more Teutonic name would be fitting, at a guess because of their business plan of what seemed to be a sale & lease back on a per room basis to (German?) investors.

      • Andrew. says:

        7 Oct7 October 11:21

        SCHLOSS? I just thought it was the Gaelic/Edinburgh way to spell the dance that inebriated grannies and aunties do at Scottish Weddings.

      • NorthernLass says:

        7 Oct7 October 19:56

        No, he said it wasn’t clear why the hotel capitalises it (i.e. writes it in capital letters), lol.

    • Axel says:

      7 Oct7 October 09:42

      Until he had to find money to pay for his divorce

• BJ says:

  7 Oct7 October 06:57

  Hyatt were supposed to be running the hotel at the new Edinburgh Marina Development but I’ve not heard anything about that for ages.

  • Rhys says:

    7 Oct7 October 09:12

    I don’t know about that specific one, but a birdy tells me their UK expansion is continuing apace so I wouldn’t be surprised if it still is

    • Harry T says:

      7 Oct7 October 09:17

      @Rhys any news about possible UK Hyatt credit card tie ins? Would be nice if they at least made it possible to transfer amex MR to Hyatt. Bonvoy have made some negative changes recently and I wouldn’t mind jumping ship for a while, but it’s going to be hard to make Globalist without a bigger footprint and some UK points/credit card nights options.

    • Gordon says:

      7 Oct7 October 10:49

      Shame Hyatt spent billions buying the Apple Leisure Group in 2021, And are closing a number of AMR resorts for redevelopment and refurbishments Spending yet more money or the uk expansion would have been quicker….

      • Rhys says:

        7 Oct7 October 10:58

        The two are not mutually exclusive! It’s all reliant on what developments are in the pipeline. Hyatt can’t magically build lots of new hotels.

      • Lady London says:

        7 Oct7 October 13:22

        Where does Hyatt’s money come from? They must have deep pockets for all this expansion

        The Roxburghe sounds like it will be the sort of hotel that it will be absolutely essential for Rob to review personally.

        • Rob says:

          7 Oct7 October 14:29

          They funded Apple by selling a chunk of hotels for which they still owned the property.

          It was a bizarre deal though and they come to regret it. All inclusive resorts are outside their core sphere of excellence and target a different market. World of Hyatt doesn’t add much here and the price paid was a very full one.

        • Gordon says:

          7 Oct7 October 15:29

          @Rob, The price Hyatt was a full one and also took on some debt in the process, so they must of thought it was worth it, don’t feel too sorry for them The AI Hyatt Ziva and Zilara properties they own in the Caribbean and Mexico are always busy with Americans, Canadians and a good margin from Europe, we have visited them all a couple of times.
          They built a brand new Ziva/Zilara in Punta Cana from scratch which opened In November 2019. The best price cash price I have achieved is around £350 pn. £700 pn to £1,000 pn over the Christmas and new year period, With their buying power for F&B they make a tidy sum.

• Colin MacKinnon says:

  7 Oct7 October 07:57

  No choccie bickies at the interview with whoever signed off the £200 gifts!

  Would love to hear the how do we solve this discussions.

• Bagoly says:

  7 Oct7 October 08:06

  I wonder whether they broke the rule from the first lesson of Chernobyl – never test on a live system!

• Gordon says:

  7 Oct7 October 08:22

  Yes got the Hyatt deal on my BAPP as I mentioned in yesterdays comments. Beat you to it for a change Rob 😊

  • Erico1875 says:

    7 Oct7 October 08:50

    Me too. Fancied Hyatt Regency Sofia, however unfortunately its not on the list😥

• NigelthePensioner says:

  7 Oct7 October 08:29

  (World Traveller Plus) which is apparently ‘non-premium’……… Indeed it certainly is not!

  • ianM says:

    7 Oct7 October 08:54

    Depends on your perspective Nigel

    • AJA says:

      7 Oct7 October 09:02

      @ianM BA describes it as World Traveller Plus, not Club World Minus, in other words it’s a slightly more spacious Economy cabin.

  • AJA says:

    7 Oct7 October 08:59

    +1 For once BA have an accurate assessment of their own hard product.

    I’d go further and apply the non-premium descriptor to the CE hard product too since it is the same ET seat albeit keeping the middle seat free most of the time is a difference, Cityflyer aside where you don’t even get that.

    • Gordon says:

      7 Oct7 October 10:41

      Yes middle seat free was a bonus, I had all seats free out and back to AMS last week. The airport was chaotic. I had a turnaround from arrival to departure of 4 hours as was a tier point run, And it literally took me just under 3 hours to clear immigration and security and finally get back to the departure gate.

• David Meyer says:

  7 Oct7 October 08:33

  Hyatt deal terms say the offer “only applies to spend settled in GBP”
  So, if I stay abroad and my bill at checkout is in EUR, will I get the statement credit?

  • Rob says:

    7 Oct7 October 08:47

    Yes. Rules always say this, it is nonsense.

    • Yuval says:

      8 Oct8 October 18:21

      It also says “In Store Only” does that mean that advance purchase rates are not eligible?

      • Rob says:

        8 Oct8 October 18:49

        Fine as long as the hotel processes the charge and not some head office. Never historically been an issue for Marriott, IHG, Hyatt. Riskier at smaller chains.

• Tony says:

  7 Oct7 October 08:34

  BA /Amex don’t make the deals easy…can’t be bothered with the faff!

  • Gordon says:

    7 Oct7 October 08:37

    I concur

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