How will the 14-day UK travel quarantine work?

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The Government has announced details of its travel quarantine arrangements this afternoon.

As had been trailed, virtually all arrivals into the UK will need to enter into quarantine for 14 days on arrival.  For non-UK citizens / residents, Border Force will be allowed to refuse entry if they believe that the visitor will not abide by these arrangements.

The exact details will not be known until full written Government guidance is published.  This is what was announced:

When does the new quarantine system begin?

8th June

Who is covered by the quarantine ruling?

Everyone entering the United Kingdom from anywhere except Channel Islands, Isle of Man and Ireland, except for freight drivers, doctors and scientists entering for coronavirus-related work and fruit pickers.

How does it work?

Arrivals will need to have filled in an ‘online contact locator’ form before arriving in the country.  It will not be a Government requirement to have completed the form but airlines may at their discretion refuse to carry passengers who have not done so.  This will be used for quarantine enforcement and for contacting travellers if any fellow passengers on their flight, boat or train falls ill.

Arrivals must leave the port or airport by car, wherever possible, and head to a location where they will quarantine for 14 days.  Travellers should not receive visitors and should not leave their quarantine to buy food or other supplies if possible.

Hotel accommodation will be provided for arrivals who do not have accommodation arranged.

Other people who are staying in the same house as someone who is quarantining do not have to enter quarantine.

What is the fine for breaking quarantine?

The police will not be directly involved in enforcing quarantine.

Public health officials and ‘private contractors’ will be responsible for visiting arriving travellers.  (It is unclear how this will work as I doubt either of these groups has the legal right to enter your property.)  In theory, these contractors will supply the police with details of those who were not at their stated address so that the police can issue a fixed penalty of £1,000.  Other parts of the UK can set their own arrangements.

When will these measure be reviewed?

The measures will be reviewed every three weeks.

The official guidance should be available on this page of the Government website very soon.

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Comments

  1. Andrew says:

    I think the Border Force boss at the briefing said that non-UK/resident travellers who do not have a place to quarantine will be able to use at government-arranged location at their own cost. He also said (I’m paraphrasing) that if the traveller does not have the funds to do that then Border Force would/could consider this as not having the resources to support themselves for their stay and and travellers are often removed from the UK in these circumstances.

  2. TGLoyalty says:

    Good job the virus knows to stay out until June 8th.

    • Yes they have decided to keep the virus at bay, but only from 8th June. They spent weeks telling us that the WHO guidance wasn’t to close borders or quarantine, allowing unrestricted access to the country from New York and Italy. But now when the virus is on the decrease (at least in Europe and Asia) its time to quarantine people. Another fine mess.

    • ankomonkey says:

      LOL

  3. Andrew says:

    The Border Force guy said that the government arranged hotel would be at the individual’s expense – if they cannot afford it, they will be refused entry to the U.K.

  4. Andy S says:

    Arrive at the airport, you are then free to use public transport to get home and you then self isolate?

    Who ever thought of this lacks simple common sense!

    • Andrew says:

      Individuals are being asked to travel by car and not public transport.

      • davvero says:

        If they can… just like workers are meant to drive if they can.

        It’s nonsense!

    • Petr Velky says:

      Every plan has some imperfections. Better this than having those people visiting all friends and relatives, going to all major attractions, wandering around parks, shops.. public communication is mostly empty these days.

    • We faced this public transport arrival issue in Finland months ago. The answer was to close the airport train station completely and for the busses only allow airport workers/domestic flight passengers onboard.
      All arrivals that could not proceed by private car were put into a specially chartered bus or taxi. Both paid for by the state (this amazingly led to 1000e taxi drives to the north of Finland). But it meant nobody arrived in the country and mixed with the locals on public transport. And like I said – this was implemented in March! And in the UK you are not even doing this in June.

  5. Michael says:

    The most important question is what will the Irish do with EU/non-EU arrivals?

    • davvero says:

      Same as they always do. They’ve had quarantine for a while. If you’re going onwards to the UK you will not pass through UK immigration as it’s common travel area so you’re not likely to encounter a UK officer.

      • See later response on thread, but this is only being made a legal requirement in Dublin next week. Think Border Force will see transit, as CTA states swap data.

  6. Andy S says:

    Fruit Pickers are free to spread the virus as they wish????

    • Andrew says:

      Apparently they get to stay on their designated farm (clearly often in shared conditions with other fruit pickers…). Not sure if this is a requirement of the exemption or “just what fruit pickers do” and so an assumption for that category though.

    • Michael says:

      Cheaper than employing Brits who apparently, we are told time and time again, would prefer to be on the Dole than work. Nothing to do with exploiting poor immigrants and forcing them to live in farm accomm of course. Hate speech.

      • the_real_a says:

        Of course fruit picking at 6X your regular wage – many people even the so called workshy would like to spend a summer doing that abroad (as many Brits did fruit picking in Australia on working holidays). To ask British people to do this work – for the same wage as sitting on a till in tesco or at a 20% premium to benefits – its absolutely no surprise that Brits dont fancy it. I mean they are not daft are they… Shortage of labour works by forcing change, in this case on pay at the risk of ruined crops. It doesn’t work by caving at the first tear and shipping in a batch of Romanians.

        • Chrish says:

          The majority of people who read that the Brits won’t fruit pick are idiots of course the Brits would fruit pick Offer them £25 an hour & they would jump at it
          The same people say we don’t have enough Nurses, Care Home workers, Porters ect
          It’s due to various Government Polices ( & i mean both Governments)
          That we don’t have enough, Pay them enough, Train them well, Give them “Free Training” with the proviso that they must remain in the uk after or repay all plus a reasonable extra on top if they leave
          We would have always had enough (except just after war)
          There are of course not enough “Now” but that’s been because of all the Government policies

        • Plenty of British young adults fancy picking fruit and veg over summer holidays and many do so. But what’s more exciting, picking in Britain, or booking a £30 Easyjet flight to France or Germany for 6 weeks of hard work and adventure? Ten years ago my wife flew over from Germany to spend a summer picking tomatoes in the UK – the appeal was the experience of living abroad (the money was barely a factor) – it also counted towards a part of her degree. This myth the tabloids spin about young Brits not wanting to graft in a field is rubbish – there is just significant added value in heading abroad at that age – and no shortage of seasonal work to pick up across the EU.

      • bazza says:

        EU supplying cheap labour? That’s just not true!
        Extremely high educated (mainly doctors, nurses and scientist) and very hard workers, just ask…….Jamie Oliver!

    • Ian M says:

      Fruit pickers are immune from the virus, didn’t you know?

  7. davvero says:

    What a joke the UK is! Everything too little, too late. We’re supposed to be two weeks behind Italy, but Italy are planning to lift quarantine a week before we start here.

    • Andrew says:

      But it’s as our infection rate lowers that imported cases become a threat, previously there were so many cases here, that a few more wouldn’t have made much of a difference.

      • davvero says:

        What does the UK know that the other places don’t?

      • No, it was as the number of cases around the world reached a peak and we allowed unrestricted access to the UK in a way few other countries did, that was when it really counted. Flights arrived into LHR everyday from New York, China and Italy without restriction, with passengers going on to public transport (yet those same countries restricted access to entering their countries, what did they know?). That was when we should have been doing everything possible to protect the NHS to ensure capacity and protect the public. Too late now.

      • @Andrew – totally agree

      • Margaret says:

        There are no (or virtually no) new cases in London now but 3000+ daily in the north of England. If it’s about preventing spread do we stop northerners at King’s Cross?

  8. It does seem that it will run almost entirely on honesty and goodwill. Use public transport if possible, don’t go out to buy food if possible, we might send someone round to check on you but we probably won’t.

    Bloggers and Guardian columnists will stick rigidly to the rules, and document every hour of their quarantine. Normal people will write down an address, then get on the tube and carry on as normal.

    • Andrew says:

      I would imagine very few people will travel because of this so the issue will affect a very small number of people and that’s what the government is counting on. They don’t want people to travel and this will be an effective deterrent.

    • So what’s the alternative? Armed police roaming the streets looking for quarantine fugitives? It’s a temporary measure that will fizzle out in a few weeks. Covid deaths will be completely eradicated by end of June on current trends.

      • Joanna Robbins says:

        Where are the extra people coming from to check you have notgone out

        • They’ll probably let you do it on commission …. you get to keep £500 for everyone you find. It would at least encourage some applicants.

          • This would encourage jobsworths checking same way packages are delivered by courier services: look at the house, and if no one opens the door, tiptoe up to slip a notice (here, penalty notice) through the mail slot. No need to ever knock or ring the bell. Job done, and bank another commission. Leave it up to the quarantined person to appeal – which can only be done by sending original documentation proving one was at home within seven days by post (but don’t break quarantine by inviting someone by or going to the post office)!

      • davvero says:

        Perhaps a little less wishy washy… Italy said you CAN’T use public transport when arriving in the country while quarantined, you needed to arrange your own transport from the airport.

        Why does the UK do everything half arsed? It just extends the pain for everyone!

        • @davvero

          Yeah, shame we couldn’t even get our NHS completely overwhelmed, like Italy. Merely ‘quite a bit stretched’.
          Can’t do anything right, can we?

      • Bagoly says:

        Compulsory app on your ‘phone relaying your location every twenty minutes.
        When there is a fail the police are notified and make a call.
        Twice daily ‘phone calls to check that you haven’t abandoned your ‘phone at home.

        That is what other European countries are doing.
        Yes, it is a restriction of liberty – but the arriving to the country is optional.

        • Some people may consider liberty to be a lot more important than a virus with a death rate of less than 1 per cent.

          • Then they can stand for election and write the laws in the future.

        • davvero says:

          Which European countries are forcing people to install a tracking app that reports your location every 20 minutes?

          Even the current UK COVID app doesn’t track your location.

          Even if it did, super easy loophole. Get a cheap phone or a new sim for an old phone, leave your new phone at home running and set it to divert to the number of the phone you have with you so you can answer it when out.

    • Harry T says:

      Agreed. The chances of actually being successful caught and prosecuted are incredibly low. And I’m sure there are people who consider a £1000 fine irrelevant anyway. The enforcement process sounds about as intimidating and effective as the TV licensing people.

    • The “lockdown” itself runs/ran on honesty and goodwill.

      The NHS runs largely on goodwill.

  9. Ian M says:

    It sounds as if, if someone decides not to even complete the form it’s only a £100 fine? I wonder how many people on arrival they’ll be checking to see if the form has been completed correctly..

    Belarus has a 14 day self quarantine for all arrivals. You complete a paper form on arrival with address and phone number. You are only allowed out to go to the nearest supermarket or pharmacy, or take out rubbish. If you do leave your home you have to wear mask and gloves. The army do spot checks, visiting each person 3 or 4 times during the 14 days.

  10. Andrew says:

    Any idea how this would affect international travellers connecting in the UK to a destination in the CTA?

    In the past, I often flew YYZ-LGW, changed terminals at LGW, and then flew LGW-GCI with Aurigny. Would I have to self-isolate for 14 days in the UK before flying on to GCI? At the moment, GCI has its own 14 day quarantine rule – even for arrivals from the UK. Would that be 28 days of self-isolation?

    (yes, I know that Aurigny has cancelled all LGW flights until September, and these self-isolation measures will likely be reviewed before then)

    • You would probably tell them your address is on Guernsey and then you would go. But if it’s not actually possible to get to Guernsey then this question is not worth speculating on.

      If you live in Scotland and you arrive at Heathrow without a car then they’ll have to let you take public transport home.

  11. Joanna Robbins says:

    So you can come in to pick fruit with no quarantine, but it you live in England and are coming home 14 quarantine

    • No

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Well yes you can.

      • Can you please give more detail in you’re responses – I crave knowledge.

        • Not strictly true that there is no quarantine for pickers, though I’m sure those who like to pick nits, complain or bitch and moan about anything that has ‘wiggle room’ will argue about group self-isolation versus quarantine, there is this from the gov.uk list of exempted people:

          “a seasonal agricultural worker who has an offer of employment for seasonal work to carry out specific activities in edible horticulture on a named farm. You can start work immediately but you must self-isolate on the farm. However, you may mix with fellow workers”

          Note ‘named farm’

  12. BrightonReader says:

    So as I live on my own I’ll still be allowed out to go shopping (because there aren’t any on-line delivery slots) because for me it will be necessary. Not that I go out every day anway and avoid the busy times when I do.

    Will taking my rubbish to the communal bin at the end of the road mean I could be subjected to the fine if the non enforcing enforcers knock on my door – there is no kerb side collection where I live in Brighton.

    When I fly into LHR I usually trvel back by car. If it’s Gatwick it’s train. I’m not paying £40 for a taxi to Brighton from Gatters

    Plenty of loopholes in this. My guess it’ll be dropped as soon as it starts.

    • Chris Heyes says:

      [email protected] keep this to yourself lol regards online “Delivery slots” i don’t know about Brighton
      But we live in Bognor Regis It’s easy to get a Tesco Delivery (if you know the secret, well was a secret until now lol)
      Log on to Tesco about 10 to midnight, go to book a slot (important if it lets you go to book but there are no slots go back to book a slot importantly keep trying)
      Around 10 to midnight (or just after sometimes 5 to)
      A page with a Tesco Van will come up saying “You Are In a Q” Do not refresh this page
      After a few minutes after midnight it will change to Book a Slot
      Your looking at around 3 weeks time though from today so if you want a delivery more often just log on the next week & repeat
      A pain waiting till after midnight i know (i’ve had to wait up to 12.20 the once, but mostly by 10min)
      Works every-time though delv last week, this week & 4th June

      • Waribai says:

        If you know how to work the tech, you don’t need to faff around with waiting till midnight….

        • Chrish says:

          [email protected] Yes easy to work the Tec, My Son works in internet security so can access any system
          Wrote a book on it a few years ago with 3 more (fancy long name i can’t pronounce)
          Could even make sure he won or came 2nd or 3rd whatever he decided in any online competitions
          Advised Microsoft over system faults & aided police
          Chases hackers & reports their ips. Also runs a blog or did not checked recently
          But i can’t very well tell “Brighton” how to do the Tec can i lol

        • Chrish says:

          [email protected] for your info book is:
          Books: Web Application Obfuscation, Web Application Obfuscation: ‘-/WAFs..Evasion..Filters//alert(/Obfuscation/)-‘
          Said couldn’t pronounce lol i understand it even less (well not at all lol)

      • Karen Brown says:

        Making sure to be online 10 minutes before Midnight.

        Jumping to grab the slot that you need as soon as it opens at midnight.

        Where have I heard that before:-)

  13. Harry T says:

    It’ll be gone by July, if they even bother to implement it.

  14. Dominic Barrington says:

    I’m not clear. If I fly from the USA to DUB and connect on to LHR, will anyone hinder my movements or make me subject to this?

    • davvero says:

      To be realistic even if you fly JFK-LHR and skip DUB you’re likely not to be affected by this as the UK don’t have the resources to police this. But if you go via DUB you will not see any UK immigration officers as you don’t go through passport control in the UK.

    • Transit passengers are excempt

  15. Chrish says:

    Even if it’s still in place in the scheme of it it’s only a £1000 fine & that’s at most i would imagine in practice any fine will be a lot lower than £1000.
    Plus that’s only if you get caught
    i think that’s a reasonable rick to take
    Of cause that will put off quite a few holiday makers who can’t afford or worried about the risk
    But that only helps the rest who are willing to take the very small rick of £1000 fine
    As long as plane’s are flying less passengers, will make it a better flying experience for the rest of us
    I remember years ago flying in half empty plane’s Stewardess (was no male ones them days) couldn’t do enough
    But that was the good old days

    • Conversely, fewer passengers means fewer people that would need to be checked to ensure quarantine compliance – thus increased risk if being fined if you don’t…

  16. memesweeper says:

    The fact there are exploitable loopholes plus the UK’s inevitable failure to enforce rigorously will not mean thousands will turn up in Britain and break the rules. This measure will deter pretty much everyone from coming (back) to the UK who would be subject to quarantine.

    In terms of disease control it won’t make a blind bit of difference. Way too late for that.

  17. Andrew says:

    But the point is that most people don’t analyse the life out of things to find loopholes – most “British families” as the government likes to call them will see this as a rule they must and should follow for the greater good. And therefore won’t be booking a summer holiday and therefore the airlines will be scheduling few flights over the summer. And that’s what the government want, for us to not travel and for people not to come here from abroad. And whilst some will travel and some of them will break the rules as they are unenforceable, most will, just as most have with all the other lockdown regulations, follow the rules, that’s just human nature.

  18. Clearly this is such an important step that not only has it taken this long to become UK policy, it still won’t be implemented for another couple of weeks, and once it is in place much of the enforcement will be farmed out the private sector. If anyone landing in the UK could get a test and only had to quarantine until a negative result was returned to them (positive cases would remain in quarantine), then it would be better, but god knows what’s needed to achieve that kind of setup in Britain.

    • the answer to your question is it requires a competent government who are; not scared of upsetting the public, aren’t just concerned with getting to the end of a daily press conference without mucking up reading from their script, it requires a prime minister to take lead (currently he only shows up for PMQs, which hasn’t gone well). The blame game has already started in Westminster.

    • Lady London says:

      saw a report today that someone did the 14 day quarantine in Australia, came through it clean then tested positive on Day 16. Bit worrying as the Australians bus incomers to government-chosen hotels for their quarantine and the person does not go out of their room apparently

  19. Simon Schus says:

    I’ve got a niche situation which isn’t really dealt with in this 14-day UK policy (or at least seems odd). I wanted to share as it is a bit niche. I’m visiting a second home in the UK for a period shorter than the quarantine.

    I’m a UK Citizen who lives in the USA.. and I like to visit the UK for a few days at a time: 3 days, 2 days, 4 days… just for the weekend. I’ve got a place I can quarantine easily – a second home – and that was actually my plan for my next trip. My plan was to go from the airport to y place of quarantine, then stay in that place for 3 days – and then head back to the airport. I’d have had no need to leave the house, other than to go to/from the airport! (I’d love to have gone out to the pubs but I’m quite fine staying ‘home’ – and I’d have no need to go out to the supermarket etc). I’m not going to be in the exemptions list of critical workers so this eaves me in a predicament: I presume that I would be breaking the rules if I travelled back to the airport to head ‘home’ after Day 3… rather than after Day 14. If I got a call on Day 5, Day 8, Day 10… I’d be breaking my quarantine as I’d have left the UK! So either cancel my trip, wait to see if the rules change, or break the rules. I’m not going to break the rules!

    I’ll keep looking at the guidance when it is published in more detail – to see if there is anything pertaining this this type of circumstance, but I doubt it.

    • Dominic Barrington says:

      I imagine that this is just deemed non-essential and you are ‘told’ not to do it…

  20. Norman Peters says:

    What about transit passengers though LHR…
    If you are on a through fare ticket does that mean you now have to remain in the UK for 14 days?, and then be subject to a change fee and also taxes payable for the continued journey?

    Also, what about people who have to travel for business more than once a fortnight ?

    Really wonder if this has been thought through ?

  21. Chris says:

    And what possible reason is there for this not beginning for another 2 weeks? (When it should have begun 2 months ago?)

    Far too little, far too late.

    The UK has watched fellow island nations like New Zealand and Australia quickly and successfully deal with the virus through strict lockdowns, mandatory hotel quarantines applied quickly and consistently. Pubs in Australia are reopening this weekend because the virus has been eradicated.
    Meanwhile we have the highest number of active cases and deaths of any country in Europe. But by all means, don’t wait to do anything about it. Another 2 weeks before implementing a qaurantine is a great idea.

    • One thing?

      The R number – and it’s direction

      Two months ago, how many people were being allowed to fly anywhere?

      • In answer to you’re last question it was 15,000 passengers per day flying into UK without checks. From New York, China etc. Those same countries had movement controls and quarantines in place.

    • Lady London says:

      Yup we threw it away. As an island nation we had every chance of avoiding this. I really, really do not know why the government didn’t just stop landings. Or at least enforce quaratine. Was Boris frightened Donald might get upset if planeloads of New Yorkers were told to stop coming in for a while? The US has blocked us…

      Are they still hoping for herd immunity? still not proven there is any, yet.

      i really have no idea what the government has been doing that has wasted so much time, caused people to die unnecessarily and is prolonging economic damage.

  22. Bagoly says:

    “Other people who are staying in the same house as someone who is quarantining do not have to enter quarantine.”
    That is the rule in HK (https://www.coronavirus.gov.hk/images/health_advice_travellers_compulsory_quarantine_period_en.jpg), and I think sourced from WHO guidance.
    But Poland realised it was rather ridiculous, and changed it two weeks after the initial lockdown so that if you are quarantining then the whole household must quarantine.

  23. Optimus Prime says:

    When they scan a non-UK passport, do they know if you’re actually a resident?

    • ankomonkey says:

      Non-EU passports get stamped in and out like in the olden days when everyone had it done. Even when they travel between UK-EU. I suspect Border Control may have info on stamp dates on their screens, so I guess they can assess ‘residence’. For EU passports, I don’t know.

      • Optimus Prime says:

        I’m looking forward to read in the news ‘genuine mistake by Border Control Officer who denied entry to an EU passport holder who’s been living and paying taxes in UK for decades…

        • bazza says:

          bit weird?

          • Optimus Prime says:

            Weird? If Priti Patel is the Home Secretary anything can happen at the Border Control.

        • If they live in the UK they should have an address which they can provide. Even if it is a houseshare with 20 other shift workers who take it in turns to use the beds….

      • Don’t they let a number of nationalities through the e-gates these days?

        • UK passport holders can use the e-gates also, so e-gate eligibility does not tell you anything about residency. I have a UK passport but left the UK 20 years ago. How would they differentiate me from a UK passport holder UK resident (and I got my passport from the office in Liverpool – it’s not about where the passport is issued)

          • Their point was that Americans and Canadians, etc. can use the e-gates without needing to speak to a human officer (maybe this has temporarily changed).

            As a British citizen, you can’t be refused entry to the UK, so it is irrelevant whether you are a tourist or resident in the UK.

        • Because of COVID-19, non-UK/EEA citizens can’t use e-gates at the moment.

      • Waterguard says:

        The statement that non eu passengers get stamped in is incorrect.

        In recent history a number of countries, such as US, Japan, South Korea etc no longer need to queue in non eu, in fact they can use e-gates, and they dont get their passports stamped.

        • ankomonkey says:

          Do you have a source for this? My wife is Japanese and we have never seen or been made aware of her ability to use e-gates.

      • Lost+confused says:

        Non EU passports are stamped on the way in but not stamped on the way out. Of course to be a resident you would need a residence permit and so would be expected to show your Biometric Residence Permit card on entry.

  24. mutley says:

    Johnson Missed FIVE COBRA meetings in Feb/ early March where the scientists were warning of the dangers of Covid 19. He was loafing in Chevening, since then….

    Lockdown at least two weeks too late
    Lost the email re EU PPE (allegedly)
    Cock ups re testing that doesn’t work, and double counting
    Delays in Testing
    NHS staff sourcing their own PPE
    Patients sent back to Care Homes with no test
    Officially 36000 Deaths (ONS says a lot more)
    Second highest number of infections in EU
    Third highest (just) deaths per million of population in EU
    A PM hiding and desperate to avoid scrutiny (we were following the science)
    and now quarantine, weeks and weeks too late.

    But don’t worry guys, we have good old British common sense.

    • ankomonkey says:

      +1

      Everything done a few weeks later than it should have been. If I didn’t know better, I’d think Johnson is working for Labour to ensure the Tories don’t get re-elected for decades.

      • Richard G says:

        ….and in the case of easing the lockdown / opening the schools, arguably two weeks earlier than it should have been.

        • Correct, those countries that locked down early can now start to reopen. Going into lockdown late means we need to stay locked down until later, but as Europe and world reopens it doesn’t play well in UK. Now we are lifting lockdown early, another 300 deaths and thousands more infected yesterday.

    • bazza says:

      Remainers STILL hurting!!! haha!

    • Andrew says:

      And after all that we look at Corbyn’s brother being arrested at a 5G protest, and the Labour Party’s hatred for the many Jewish Drs and medics who are working tirelessly in our beloved NHS and can count ourselves lucky that Labour didn’t get in.

  25. Now I think about it …. ‘private contractors’ have no legal right to enter your property. I am fairly sure ‘public health officials’ don’t either. (Even the police have no right without a warrant.) This makes you wonder how this can be enforced ….

    • Freddy says:

      Don’t need to enter the property to verify if Joe bloggs is having a 14-day siesta. If he isn’t willing to show his face at the front door then he should probably expect to recieve a fine

      • I can tell you didn’t go to law school.

        • Jonty says:

          Civil contingencies act allows public health officials to do stuff that would otherwise be completely in conflict with usual civil liberties

        • mvcvz says:

          I can tell he didn’t go to school.

      • Lady London says:

        if the ‘private contractors’ are anything like the ones used for parking enforcement then they will try every dirty trick in the book and will lie to earn bonuses and commission.

        Why is the UK doing so badly on this ? i thpught Italy was a disaster. How on earth can the UK be worse.

    • Chris Heyes says:

      [email protected] Border Force do have a legal right (which would include employees of Border Force with specific instructions) incidentally HM Tax also can plus Customs.
      Above can use force as well, more powers than Police
      But your right about Police (as long as you don’t open your door to them, same with debt collectors)

      • Complete rubbish and likely to result in your door being smashed in!

        • TGLoyalty says:

          Only if they have either a warrant or suspect a serious crime/emergency (cries for help etc) is taking place cause.

          Didn’t answer the bell and were under quarantine would not be just cause they also can’t search without permission or a warrant.

      • mvcvz says:

        What about Bob the builder and his cat (or was it someone else with a cat – Dick Whittington perhaps?)

    • The Police do have certain powers to enter private property, but they’re much more limited than customs and immigration. S17 PACE provides the Police this as well as Common Law (in the event of a breach of the peace), however I’m struggling to think how either could be applied in this circumstance. My knowledge of immigration law isn’t sufficient to understand what powers the UKBA/BF (or whatever they’re called now) have to enter premises. I see this as unenforceable without primary legislation.

      • Having just answered my own question, the Coronavirus Act 2020, Schedule 21, Ancillary powers, (20)(5) does give Constables power of entry.
        “A constable may enter any place for the purpose of the exercise of a power conferred by this Part of this Schedule.”
        However, it doesn’t seem to imply that health officials have that power of entry.

    • A common misunderstanding that British police need a warrant to enter property or arrest someone. There are powers of entry without a warrant under PACE which include arresting someone and to protect life and limb, which makes sense as you wouldn’t want to wait while a warrant was sworn out if you were lying unconscious on your kitchen floor after falling over and knocking yourself out.

      • jamie says:

        ‘British’ Police? PACE doesn’t apply in Scotland, where we have ‘Scottish’ Police

    • Its more complicated than that, the police do have powers of entry in certain circumstances. However I was told in a training course (many years ago) that customs officers had the most powers for entry and even arrest. Similarly, with grounds, even Environment Agency staff have entry powers. I’ll stretch this and suggest that local authority environmental health officers, on the grounds of public health, will have entry powers…..Googled it, yes they do, but for a residential property need to give 24 hrs notice. If they think they won’t still get entry then they can apply for a warrant in advance.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Well if I was given 24hrs notice I’d be sure to be at home 🙂

  26. Samuel says:

    These measures seem like a BNP policy. No foreigners anymore and all done for health. Tommy Robinson & co must be having a field day. How can business people do international business like that? No company is going to send an employee for two weeks into quarantaine.

    • mvcvz says:

      High time all this so-called business travel was properly reviewed by all organisations, public and provide. With current technology, at least 75% of it must be entirely unnecessary.

  27. Andrew says:

    Remember, by the very fact that we are all on this website means we make it our hobby to exploit loopholes – Iberia 90k Avios anyone? So we are in a bit of an echo chamber here. Most people won’t be looking at ways to avoid being caught for breaking quarantine – they will be looking for B&Bs in Cornwall.

  28. Richie says:

    Presumably you avoid the quarantine by getting a flight from wherever in the world to Dublin, then get a separate flight from Dublin back to London/Manchester / wherever – given it doesn’t apply to travel between Ireland and UK.
    All so stupid – if you’re going to do this, then do it 3 months ago!!

    • Once you’ve completed your mandated 14 day quarantine in Ireland obviously.

  29. So much garbage in the comments today, it’s enough to elevate some of @Shoestring’s rambling monologues to classical masterpieces.

    • Darren says:

      Strange times indeed

    • mr_jetlag says:

      Well, what I really want to know is whether Rob would be cashing in his Virgin miles and if I should do the same.

      • Chrish says:

        [email protected] Robs Saving his for a rainy day (whats the weather forecast) Not that i’m allowed to speak for him so probably you’ll never know lol

        • He’s stated as much here in the comments often enough. He has also explained that the transfer to Hilton doesn’t work for him well due to the difficulty of getting family rooms as standard reward nights while premium rewards for better rooms or suites don’t work because of poor value/point. Doing something just because Rob is doing it would hardly be a wise strategy as everybody has different circumstances? And Rob’s are likely far from typical.

  30. And now we have Cummings breaking the rules too, got to feel sorry for his parents though, they must be hugely disappointed.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356

    • TGLoyalty says:

      They obviously knew he was coming and going.

    • Oh Matron! says:

      To quote Alan Partridge: “Do you ever look at your child and think, ‘Oh my god, I have spawned a monster!'”

      The problem with the top 1% is that it’s an awfully small gene pool

  31. So the policy will be reviewed every three weeks? Any guesses how long it will hold? I actually do need to leave the UK at the end of next week (a long and personal story), and I’m not scheduled to be back until late July, but I really don’t like the idea of effectively not being able to get back home.

    My sense is that they would have to renew it at least once – possibly twice – not for any public health reasons (there are none), but to save face.

    • ankomonkey says:

      Interestingly, if they extend it once only (total 6 weeks) then it will finish on the weekend at the start of most English school summer holidays. Extending it one more 3-week period would allow someone to travel during those 3 weeks and complete quarantine before the schools are due back in September. A 4th 3-week period would prevent someone with school aged kids and following the rules from taking a trip for more than a week. The government’s decisions on quarantine extension will impact the ability for a lot of people to take a summer holiday this year. Obviously, this may be a major point in these decisions.

  32. It’s a farce and yet another example of how those in government don’t understand how things happen in the real world. It’s impossible to prove whether someone is in or out of their house unless you actually catch them outside, and even then it’s far from clear whether people will be allowed out to buy food (in which case, “I was on my way to the supermarket” should cover it). There is zero chance of anyone being tasked with watching to see if someone in quarantine leaves their house and then following them to see where they go. As far as enforcement goes, all the person will have to do is challenge the fine then offer as their defence in court, “I didn’t hear the doorbell because I was having a nap/in the shower/I’m actually deaf, your worships”.
    And to cap it all, you can spend quarantine in the same house as people who aren’t quarantining?!! Please can someone explain the science behind that 😂

    • mr_jetlag says:

      Let me be clear, we are entirely led by the Science, and the Science says, since its ok if my married girlfriend visits me in quarantine, then its ok if others who live with ppl in quarantine then visit their married girlfriends. QED.

  33. The simple solution is quarantine insurance. At £30 per person it would only need a small take up rate to cover the small chance of a fine, and in any case the exemptions (food, medical needs etc) should allow most people to avoid any possiblity of a fine at all. They say shouldn’t leave the house if possible, but if you need good then it’s not possible to stay home.

    The whole idea is ridiculous ie those people arriving on 7th June are fine and can go anywhere, but those arriving on 8th June are infectious and must quarantine (sort of!). It also appears to be unenforceable in terms of exemptions and scale. At 100 visits for the current 15,000 arrivals per day the risk is low. 24 million arrivals in the last three months and even we had half that in the next three, 9000 visits over the next three months (at 100 per day) on 12 million arrivals means there is almost no chance of being fined.

    Probably the most stupid idea of this ruinous lockdown.

  34. Mickey Mouse says:

    The need to leave the airport by car presumably rules out connecting flights to other parts of the country, but I’m surprised this isn’t covered in the Govt announcement. It is not safe for someone coming off a long haul overnight flight to drive long distances.

  35. So a British passport holder working overseas can’t return to the UK just for a weekend?

    • Andrew says:

      Correct.

      • What you are saying is that the Border Force has the power to ban a UK resident from leaving the country if they haven’t done the 14 day quarantine?

        • ChrisBCN says:

          I presume they could fine you at the airport but couldn’t stop you from leaving the country. They could then ask the airline to deny you boarding perhaps.

    • Actually you can work overseas regularly and return unimpeded. As ever there is no substitute for reading the detail which gives a quarantine exemption for:
      “a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week”
      Its down there at the bottom of the list so a UK based person who needs to travel for their job on a regular basis is exempt.
      The real target here is the casual traveller and holidaymaker, they just dont want any large volumes of people going for the odd business trip or holiday. In reality the 14 day rule will keep the volumes down to next to nothing, most of us just wont be bothered to be a clever clogs and take a detour via Ireland or wherever.
      I have trips booked for July and August and now expect the flights to be cancelled for lack of volume if this stays in place.

  36. I’ve just seen the current government information on exempted persons and my OH would seem to fall within this. Chances of getting him to travel this summer are pretty low, but this means that if we did take our booked holiday to Spain at the end of July, he would be able to go back to work on our return, but I and our son would have to quarantine for 14 days! Even more bonkers is that if I wasn’t retiring next week, I wouldn’t have to quarantine either as I would be required to return to my old job. The mind boggles.

    • Robert says:

      Also check that the same 14 day quarantine doesn’t apply when arriving in Spain too.
      I’m lucky in that I can work from home so imagine I’ll be able to work and quarantine at the same time.
      The interesting thing for me is that during the quarantine you’re permitted to do an hours exercise outdoors and essential food shopping, knowing my luck that’ll be when I get a knock at the door, just like when waiting for a parcel!

      • I think they will lift that in Spain unless they have another spike, there have been protests this week against the government because of the damage to the economy. It’s the other restrictions which will put people off, like limited beach access and having to wear a mask outside.

        • Lady London says:

          is a suntan around the edges of a mask going to be the new beach look?

    • Lady London says:

      bonkers

      • Lady London says:

        Does the government think we’re stupid, or… is the government that stupid.

        Even Greece (that really needs visitors) has thought better of having us now.

  37. Chris says:

    So a 2 week holiday becomes 4 weeks as I assume employers will not give special leave or sick leave.

    • No, just fly back via Dublin and you will be fine, adds maybe 3 hours onto the trip lol

      • Lady London says:

        doesnt DUB have their own quarantine though? gotta feeling you’d have to have split tickets or >24hrs there otherwise your original departure point would show on the systems as where you came from not DUB

  38. Why not screen everyone with LamPORE’s new device, portable or desktop.
    Results in an hour, each device can do 30k tests a day

  39. Scott says:

    What are they going to do when I arrive at Heathrow? Escort me under armed guard to an awaiting car to take me to where I’m going to be self-quarantining?
    If I was coming into the country, I would either get the tube to Kings Cross and the train from there, or drive.
    Suppose I could use an official car park shuttle bus, if they’re running, to get to a LHR car park and then drive 3.5hrs home?

    Or can I claim I’m going to pick fruit and get around things that way? Got a raspberry plant in my garden so could pick something off that.

    • ChrisBCN says:

      They may ask you how you plan to get to your place of quarantine at passport check (although if the e-gates are open, maybe they wouldn’t…) – but if at Heathrow I don’t see how they could follow everyone to the tube!

    • ChrisBCN says:

      I wonder if another person who lives in your household could employ you on minimum wage to pick fruit from your garden for an hour a day and give you a contract. Not exactly in the spirit of things of course, but does show the ridiculousness of the policy!

    • I think they haven’t thought very much of this through at all, which is why they keep kicking the can down the road about when they are going to release the full details.

  40. Andrew says:

    Surely there is a MASSIVE loophole in this in that:

    You go on a nice break to somewhere like Brazil where COVID is rife.

    You return and you promise the nice person from the Border Force that you will stay in your own home for 14 days.

    You don’t bother and return to work the next day.

    3 days later someone from “the private sector” turns up at your house when you are at work, knocks on the door but obviously gets no answer.

    They pass your details to the local Bobby (who I am sure will be thrilled with this additional workload) who then tries to issue you with a fine.

    You simply claim that you were in fact at home but “but as you were self isolating and out of an abundance of caution for your fellow humans” you didn’t answer the door so as not to put others at risk.

    Surely it is only possible to prove that you WERE at home not that you were not, so how can a fine legally be imposed?

    Obviously not in the spirit of the law, certainly not responsible and I am not advocating it, but surely this renders the whole thing totally unenforceable?

    Or am I missing something?

    • You are correct, I pointed all this out in an earlier post. From years of trying to enforce things like curfews and residence conditions I know how difficult it is to get someone convicted at court where there is any hint of reasonable doubt about the circumstances.

      • Though is you had gone back to work there would be a potential evidence trail of witness statements and (probably) CCTV, but I can’t see too many people doing that as it would obviously raise questions. Breaches of quarantine would be more likely, IMO, to involve unnecessary shopping trips and visits to (colluding) family and friends.

    • A rule doesn’t stop to make sense just because it’s difficult to impossible to enforce it. The rule will prevent at least 90% from people to go on holiday and most businesses to not allow international business travel whether it’s enforceable or not.

  41. Scott says:

    The only way they could enforce this is by locking up everyone who enters the country in Government controlled detention centres or similar for 2 weeks.
    We’ve all seen that quite a few people ignore rules, and/or interpret them as they see fit.
    I wouldn’t trust anyone entering the country to abide by the rules 100%.

    Nothing to stop me on the drive home after arriving, making a number of stops for shopping, to see family and friends etc. before eventually going home. Could potentially infect half the country!

    Suppose they could check with your workplace if you’ve turned up there during those 2 weeks?

  42. As previously stated, IMO the government just hasn’t thought this through, and that’s why they haven’t implemented it immediately and keep kicking the can down the road about when they are going to release the full details. They know enforcement of lockdown has been a shambles and will want to avoid a repeat of that. They need to get all the agencies on side and singing from the same hymn sheet. There’s a massive disconnect between what they want to achieve and the extent of authorities’ ability to enforce anything in this country – the “Youman Rights” brigade would be up in arms if we tried the kind of tactics which have been so successful in places like Taiwan and South Korea, while at the same time lambasting the government for not doing enough, soon enough. I think that it will ultimately be unworkable.

    • * As in, “It’s against my youman rights, innit?”

      • mradey says:

        I wouldn’t be so flippant with HMG requiring house arrest for 14 days. That isn’t the country I knew.

        • Absolutely nothing flippant about it, everything I said was drawn from decades of professional experience. Also there’s no such thing as “house arrest” in this country.

    • They dont need to rush with this as long as we are generating @60,000 new cases a week (findings from ONS survey data) and have an active infected population of @1.5-2 per thousand.. Even if arrivals have the same incidence as our own (high incidence) population the number coming in per week who will be positive almost makes no difference. It only makes a difference if our rate of infection falls and lots of people go off on holiday and bring it back. The announcement itself stops most of us planning holidays until we see what happens.
      Don’t be surprised to see the FCO restriction continue and the implementation of the ban extend out a bit further if the rate doesnt fall.

  43. Andrew says:

    For the few people that decide to travel, probably most will generally stay home to do the right thing for the greater good. A few won’t and not much will happen to them if they don’t, but that’s the same as most laws – you aren’t supposed to deal drugs, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, but most people don’t do it.

  44. Surely this will be reciprocal and many countries will now ask UK citizens to quarantine for 2 weeks… Glad I have no desire or need to visit the UK anytime soon.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Yes and most likely you will see exemptions on a reciprocal basis.

      • God I hope so. I need to leave the country for work, and do hope to be able to come back by the end of July as planned.

  45. Brian says:

    You say that the online form doesn’t HAVE to be filled out – according to the BBC, there is a £100 fine for failing to do so!

    • More importantly the government release makes it clear that there is a GBP100 fine for not providing the form.
      Though there is a long list of exemptions from self isolation, there are very few for filling in details of where you will be staying.

  46. From what we know so far, this looks a right bloody mess. You should leave the airport if possible by car and if possible not go out to buy food etc. I imagine many people will not have a car available at the airport and, as for not going out to buy food, you’ll starve to death instead of dying of Covid? And how do you fill in an online form if you have no internet access? I would expect all these half-baked ideas to be “reviewed” before the implementation date.

    • In countries with a strict quarantine someone else has to buy food for you – you literally cannot leave your apartment/hotel etc unless it’s a medical emergency or the building is on fire. I don’t think a strict quarantine in the UK is realistic – the police don’t have the resources or will to enforce it and since govt cronies can freely break the rules without any consequence (the govt now openly admitting Dominic Cummings is above the law) why should anyone else follow the rules?

      • probably just a coincidence, but Dominic’s mum, Morag, had her birthday in April.

        • Lady London says:

          Ahaaaaaaaaha !!! doubtless “just a coincidence”

        • Crafty says:

          It was on the date of the first trip.

          The second trip was his wife’s birthday.

  47. 2 eurostar trains per day also still arriving into St Pancras. France has just said they will ask UK arrivals to quarantine, the Telegraph describes it as ‘retaliation’.

    Wonder if there will be some sort of rush to get into the UK before the quarantine rules come in. In other countries they give little notice to prevent a rush occurring, which gives a different set of problems for people. Will be interesting to see if flights and Eurostar getting busier in advance.

    • Who wants to go to the UK that badly right now? I would think it will mostly be UK residents or relatives of people with close ties to the UK who’d contemplate travelling there any time soon.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Right now it’s 1 in 1000 that have it. Your risk of catching it is tiny and the risk of dying depends on your personal health / age. The level of fear is disproportionate to the actual risk.

        There have obviously been lots of people still coming to the UK over the past two months when it had higher prevalence. That didn’t stop people entering for whatever reason they had.

      • Well regardless of the reasons for coming into the UK I hope that all the passengers arriving on the SU2582 from Moscow at 1600 hrs are wearing a face mask (but only if they want to), and get a car home (if they can).

  48. Harry T says:

    Looks like NHS workers would be covered by the exemption list under point four:
    “ a registered health or care professional travelling to the UK to provide essential healthcare, including where this is not related to coronavirus”

    • There’s loads – police, telecoms engineers, most of the professions already classed as “key workers”, in fact.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Good to know all of these exempt professions can’t bring Covid-19 in with them to spread the virus like those in other professions.

      • To be fair, a lot of them are going to pose far less risk from having been on holiday than they do in their day to day jobs!

        • TGLoyalty says:

          But that’s not the point with all these exempt people it’s a farce.

          • The whole thing is a farce, TG, as I have pointed out several times on this thread!

        • Its nothing to do with holiday, they are allowed in without quarantine if they are doing their day jobs!

          • Reason for travel isn’t mentioned, just reason for returning. There’s no way they could prove who’s been on holiday and who hasn’t.

      • Harry T says:

        It’s a good point, @TGLoyalty. I think the quarantine is a political move.

        @Anna is right – I stand a much greater chance of acquiring covid at the hospital than I would in France etc

        • Well quite – though I am not having much success pointing out to my OH that he takes more of a risk at work every day than he would in a villa in the Med!

          • This is my personal favourite (last on the list):

            “a person who resides in the UK and who pursues an activity as an employed or self-employed person in another country to which they usually go at least once a week.”

  49. Mike P says:

    The quarantine rules will stop the vast bulk of people even considering flying until it’s rescinded. The knowledge of the general public and desire to get round the rules in order to be able to travel is nothing like the average level of knowledge of posters on here or Flyertalk.

    • Andrew says:

      Absolutely agree – they are the same people that use a debit card for their day to day expenses rather than earn any miles. 99% of the population will not fly until quarantine and the FCO advice changes.

      • 99%? Where do you find that stat?

        • Probably made up like most stats 😉 I’m sure some Tory MPs and advisors will travel anyway to their place in the south of France and ignore the quarantine on their return.

          • Yes, 33.46% of stats are made up.

          • They will be able to observe quarantine in their constituency homes as parliament will be in recess for the summer. I have no doubt whatsoever that we will see MPs going off on their planned summer jaunts while the rest of us spend the next 2 months on the phone trying to get refunds or vouchers!

          • Very true Anna 😂

          • If you fly UK-Dublin-Nice you don’t need to quarantine anyway. Ireland lets you transit despite having quarantine rules if you want to leave the airport.

          • Optimus Prime says:

            Will Hancock go on a lavish holiday?

          • Lady London says:

            Thats why MP’s are on the list of key workers.

            Is there a reason the Houses of Parliament are located right on the Thames with that lovely high bridge over it? Shall we re-use the 8pm Thursday slot for chucking these MP’s in,?

  50. Riccatti says:

    People arriving in France from the UK will have to self-isolate for 14 days from 8 June, the French government has announced. It comes after Home Secretary Priti Patel revealed quarantine plans for visitors to the UK from the same date. France said it would impose reciprocal measures for any European country enforcing a quarantine.

    What is this but a contest..

    • Also, I thought Brussels had declared that member states have to be non-discriminatory and proportionate in the way they apply entry rules? Tit for tat decisions would seem to comply with neither of these. Or is that just for us?!

      • It’s for Spain as well. I think UK media as usual are interpreting this incorrectly. From what I’ve been reading in French media, it will be valid until 15 June when EU wide measures for relaxation kick in.

      • I fact it starts for Spanish travellers to France on Monday since they already have a quarantine rule.

    • Lady London says:

      Hold on… Boris DID start off wsnting to quarantine all arrivals except from Ireland and FRANCE.

      Given quarantine at this stage is going to make very little difference to health, it was a nice gesture to exempt the 300,000 old British people in France from it as well as the 300,000 young French people in the UK. Oh, and given all the British soldiers who left their bones in French soil in two world wars in the past century.

      Then the EU told Boris we were not allowed to distinguish between arrivals from any EU country, the UK could not just accept travellers from France.

      So Boris has announced everyone’s quarantined except arrivals from Ireland.

      Whereupon France has miraculously announced quarantine for people arriving in France from Britain, starting from the exact same date in 16 days:time.

      We can’t really win, can we ?

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