Get 3,000 bonus Avios with The Wine Flyer

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• Will says:

  19 Nov19 November 06:03

  Bread and butter is nearly always £10 or £11 at majestic. Seems the avios aren’t enough to offset the high pricing

  • Steve says:

    19 Nov19 November 07:45

    This seems to have been the dominant view / comment BTL in recent weeks as various WF offers have landed.

• NorthernLass says:

  19 Nov19 November 07:49

  It’s hard to see value here when Tesco have been offering Clubcard pricing on wine PLUS 25% off 6 bottles this past week!

• Louise says:

  19 Nov19 November 08:08

  Agree, I just quickly checked and the average price elsewhere for Chapel Down is £22 so I’m paying £5 more a bottle for 3000 avios is of questionable value (though I suppose I’d still be *paying* £20 for 3000 avios, which isn’t terrible).

  • Rob says:

    19 Nov19 November 08:33

    So what you mean is ‘this is a good deal for buying Chapel Down when you factor in the Avios’.

    Choose life 🙂

    • Louise says:

      19 Nov19 November 08:52

      Yes indeed, I think I went in a circle while writing that post! #Sold

• Alex G says:

  19 Nov19 November 08:57

  The Chapel Down is worth considering.

  You could buy it for £22 elsewhere, so you are over paying by £19.96 but getting 3540 Avios, so you are buying Avios at 0.56p

  • Lumma says:

    19 Nov19 November 09:02

    As far as English bubbles goes, Chapel Down is pretty meh however

  • SadOldMan says:

    24 Nov24 November 13:55

    Price now reduced.

• Misty says:

  19 Nov19 November 09:29

  Have you another English Sparking you could recommend ? It’s all a matter of taste really. Suits some others not so much #Sold.

  • Bertster says:

    19 Nov19 November 09:40

    Hattingley Blanc de Blancs. TWF always seem to have it in stock too.

  • David P says:

    19 Nov19 November 17:30

    Nyetimber is my favourite ESW, and Hambledon also gets good reviews.

    • Will says:

      22 Nov22 November 09:25

      Gusbourne is the best. Visit the winery too as it’s a great tour and lunch for £100 with almost as much champagne as you can drink. Taxi and train only!!

• johnb says:

  19 Nov19 November 09:38

  I like posts of this type. It shows the difference between members on here. I’m watching you all discuss buying decent (expensive, to me) wine, but being a tight Yorkshireman who struggles to agree paying £10 for wine, I can’t get my head around it.
  I enjoy the odd glass of wine, but cannot tell good from bad. So this sort of deal is probably not for me.

  • Rob says:

    19 Nov19 November 09:43

    Duty (and the VAT on the duty) is now over £3 per bottle on wine, so anything under £10 is in very dodgy territory. A £10 bottle is £3+ of duty inc VAT, then £1.15 VAT on the remaining £7, so you’re down to £5.75ish actually going into the pocket of the supermarket. This means it is buying the wine for about £3 of which bottling and shipping will be £2+. The wine itself is being sold for about £1.

    Spend £20 on a bottle and, all else being the same, the wine maker gets about £5 for the liquid. Massive uplift in quality vs £1.

    • ChasP says:

      19 Nov19 November 10:06

      Wine snobs cant do maths !
      My local LIDL has wine at £4-49 a bottle
      If there is £3 duty and VAT on duty + 30p VAT on the rest + £2 bottling and shipping Then how much does the producer get ?
      and no this isnt a loss leader

      • ChasP says:

        19 Nov19 November 10:12

        https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/wine-study-shows-price-influences-perception-1374

      • Alex G says:

        19 Nov19 November 10:28

        The actual cost of that £4.49 Lidl wine is about 75p plus duty and VAT

        • Rob says:

          19 Nov19 November 10:37

          Duty is lower on weaker wine (under 11%) and Lidl operates on very thin margins.

        • ChasP says:

          19 Nov19 November 10:39

          does that include £2 for bottling and transport ?

        • ken says:

          19 Nov19 November 10:52

          bottling and shipping is generally assumed to be just less than £1.
          Certainly not £2+

    • ken says:

      19 Nov19 November 10:41

      “under £10 is in very dodgy territory”

      This really is nonsense.

      Many (perhaps most) people would struggle to identify a red or white if they were served at the same temperature in a blindfold test.

      If anyone likes wine they would be far better off buying £13 bottles with supermarkets endless 25% off, or 6 bottles from Majestic than any of the wines that come in the Wine Flyer mixed cases.

      • Rob says:

        19 Nov19 November 10:45

        ‘Dodgy’ in terms of what was actually spent making the wine. It’s like a £2 Primark t-shirt or a £3 Tesco chicken (‘this chicken may have been frozen and defrosted before sale, produce of Thailand’ as they say on the back) – it can do the job but its not exactly an artisan product.

      • Thywillbedone says:

        19 Nov19 November 15:11

        Waitrose house Malbec is £7.49 and isn’t terrible (although I only use it these days for cooking spaghetti bolognese where a better wine would be wasted).

• ChasP says:

  19 Nov19 November 10:43

  The wine was red at 13% and while LIDL margins may be lower I doubt they lose £1 a bottle

  But you are right its all about margins – the biggest difference between a £5, £10 and £20 bottle isnt the cost of the liquid its the margins and the number of sticky fingers the bottle passes through

  • Rob says:

    19 Nov19 November 10:48

    Here is a graphic which shows how it works – https://www.bauduc.com/news/a-guide-to-uk-duty-hikes-on-wine/

    They put botting / shipping at £1 to £1.30 so lets go with that. Even at £6.50 per bottle, they only assume 40p to the grower. At £20 per bottle, it’s £7.

    • ChasP says:

      19 Nov19 November 11:19

      Thats another producers propaganda note it starts at £6-50 so the very existence of any bottles (and there are millions) at £4-50 must be magic

      • Rob says:

        19 Nov19 November 11:36

        The duty at £2.67 + VAT, so £3.20, is the law. A £4.49 bottle leaves £1.29 of which 21p is VAT, so £1.08. You can do the maths.

        • Stu_N says:

          19 Nov19 November 11:48

          Anything under about £7 is what I’ve heard called “wine in name only”.

          If you can grow, harvest, make, ship, bottle, label and retail something for £1.08 all in, I think you have to question what you’re getting in the bottle. Remember a bottle of wine weighs at least 1kg and the liquid is coming from (at closest) France/ Spain so it’s not cheap stuff to move around.

        • ChasP says:

          19 Nov19 November 12:42

          I did the maths using YOUR figure of £2+ for bottling and shipping
          So where does that “£2+” come out of the £1.08 ?
          Even if LIDL cuts that to below £2 your maths – or to be exact the mythical maths you quoted don’t add up
          Its a bit like BA claiming a few years ago that it cost £xxx a seat and it was impossible to charge less – then along came Ryanair – who BA &Co claimed couldn’t possibly survive until they did and made a profit then magically …..

        • Rob says:

          19 Nov19 November 12:55

          Fundamentally, and this is something you learn as you get older, dying with money is stupid. Buy better wine. Buy better chickens. Buy better t-shirts. Fly better airlines. You’re not getting a prize on your death bed for the amount of money you saved.

        • Stu_N says:

          19 Nov19 November 12:58

          There’s huge variation in costs.

          Shipping wine in bulk (essentially in big plastic tanks) from from an industrial winery next to a Mediterranean port and bottling in the UK in lightish glass bottles with a plastic “cork” and simple label is the cheap end.

          Estate bottling, fancy labels, quality corks, foil capsule over the cork costs far more.

• Alex G says:

  19 Nov19 November 10:53

  Aldi currently have a Rioja for £3.21 a bottle. 13.5% ABV

  So about 28p before tax and duty

  You don’t see much at less than 8.5%, which is where the lower rate of duty applies.

  • Will says:

    22 Nov22 November 09:27

    No they don’t have full bottles at £3!!

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