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Virgin reduces Upper Class points cost to New York and Orlando; big increases elsewhere

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Ever since Virgin Atlantic moved to ‘dynamic pricing’ for flight redemptions last year, the cost of Upper Class has been out of reach for most people.

I know that Virgin Atlantic is happy with the increase in people booking Economy redemptions, now priced from just 6,000 Virgin Points each way.

I also know that there is disquiet at the company about the removal of Upper Class as a realistic redemption option on most routes, especially the effect on those who are Upper Class cash flyers.

cheapest and priciest Virgin Upper Class redemptions

Over the last few weeks, however, some routes to the United States have come down sharply in price.

It’s not all good news – some non-US routes have seen INSANE price rises for Upper Class seats, if the cost wasn’t already high enough.

We can prove this by repeating the experiment I did at the end of May using an online tool, vseats.io. This tool scrapes the Reward Seat Checker page of the Virgin Atlantic website and lets you manipulate the data. It’s really rather clever.

The analysis we did in May is here and looked at a few different scenarios. To allow comparison, I am using vseats.io to look at one thing and one thing only:

“For a 7-day holiday over the next 11 months, how much is the 50th cheapest day to fly?”

I thought ’50th cheapest’ was an acceptable compromise. The very cheapest dates are usually when you don’t want to travel (eg New York in January) and taking the 50th lowest priced departure date weeds out a lot of that. It’s probably comparable to off-peak Avios pricing.

Of course, you still need flexibility when you travel to take advantage of this pricing. If you are tied to school holidays, or even tied to Saturday-to-Saturday holidays, you will pay more – often a LOT more.

Not all Virgin Atlantic routes operate 365 days per year. In such cases, the 50th cheapest date will be higher up the price range.

cheapest and priciest Virgin Upper Class redemptions

Let’s compare Upper Class pricing today with eight weeks ago

Let’s look at Upper Class return pricing from London Heathrow for a seven night stay, searching across the full 11 month booking window.

Because of the way the system works, we can only look for the price of one seat. Do not assume you can book a couple, and definitely not a family, at these rates.

The ‘WAS’ pricing is what was available exactly two months ago.

Here are the results from vseats.io. For routes not listed, there has not been a substantial price change in Upper Class.

Five routes with the biggest percentage price drop

Orlando

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 271,000 Virgin Points + £1,043
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 92,000 Virgin Points

There has been a HUGE cut in the cost of Upper Class redemptions to Orlando. I suspect this is because it is primarily a family route and at 250,000+ points per person, no families could afford to book. There are a surprisingly large number of dates when you can do a week for 58,000 points return.

New York JFK

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 123,000 Virgin Points + £1,043
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 76,500 Virgin Points

There has been a sharp fall in the cost of Upper Class redemptions to New York. I suspect this is down to the reduction in overall US travel demand.

Atlanta

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 207,500 Virgin Points + £1,043
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 138,000 Virgin Points

Another steep drop.

Washington DC

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 134,000 Virgin Points + £868
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 115,000 Virgin Points

Another drop, although not as steep as New York.

Boston

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 165,000 Virgin Points + £1,043
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 139,000 Virgin Points
cheapest and priciest Virgin Upper Class redemptions

Five routes with the biggest percentage price rise

Bengaluru

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 64,000 Virgin Points + £568
  • TODAY: 50th cheapest departure day – 290,000 Virgin Points

Something has gone weird here. Eight weeks ago Virgin Atlantic was acting like it couldn’t give away Upper Seats to Bengaluru. As of last night, the cheapest 7-night trip bookable over the next 11 months is 221,000 Virgin Points return.

Lagos

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 81,000 Virgin Points + £694
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 257,500 Virgin Points

It wasn’t on my bucket list, admittedly, but this is a shocking increase in Upper Class redemption pricing.

Dubai

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 217,000 Virgin Points + £819
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 535,000 Virgin Points

This is crazy talk. The absolute cheapest price for a 7-night Dubai flight in Upper Class is currently 289,000 Virgin Points – eight weeks ago there were 50 departure dates at 217,000 points or fewer (which, itself, is a mad price).

Delhi

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 116,000 Virgin Points + £754
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 209,000 Virgin Points

Mumbai

  • WAS: 50th cheapest departure day – 77,500 Virgin Points + £813
  • NOW: 50th cheapest departure day – 117,000 Virgin Points

Conclusion

When I was doing some digging last week and saw the fall in New York Upper Class flight costs, followed by an email from a reader flagging the big cuts in Orlando pricing, I thought that Virgin Atlantic had seen the light.

Unfortunately, this isn’t the case. The downward moves have been matched – in fact exceeded – by increases elsewhere. The fact that there is not a single day in the next 11 months where you can book a 7-night trip to Dubai in Upper Class for less than 289,000 Virgin Points per person is shameful.

If you had been thinking about New York, Orlando or Atlanta, however, now is a good time to book.

Comments (119)

  • BBbetter says:

    A sign that BLR route might be pulled and they don’t want to rebook pax on to BA or AI?
    This route has massive oversupply.

    • Chris W says:

      I thought the only reason they operated BLR was for corporate IT contracts to fly staff from the UK and US (some on Delta).

      Perhaps they are trying to keep the J cabin empty for these cash bookers (who probably book reasonably last minute) rather than Flying Club members snapping up seats?

  • Paul says:

    Thank you for the research.
    The other issue this creates for VS is that people like me, who have never flown VS in any class, won’t consider them for any future travel. Given that their cash fares are the same as BA and anyone else departing LHR, there is no compelling reason to use them. These redemption costs are beyond self funders unless your travel focus is USA in economy.

  • Mark says:

    It’s a complete sh*t show, who in their right mind would collect virgin points with such huge swings!!! It’s beyond a joke and it must be / have cost Virgin a hefty chunk of business

  • LJB says:

    We managed to get 2 x upper class seats for 46K each departing April/returning in May – the same dates are now 300K each. Noticed the suggestion that the BLR route might be pulled – any one think that this might happen? Was about to book accommodation for the trip but not sure whether to hang on now to see what happens.

    • BBbetter says:

      Book a refundable stay. Also make a plan B if the route does get pulled. VS might have to rebook you on to BA or AI, but always good to be prepared for the worst.
      The India routes are popular with Indian Americans who connect from Delta and premium cabins have good loads. But whether that enough to sustain the routes remains to be seen.

  • Bumblebee says:

    Phew, I booked my coffin class to Delhi a few months ago…I suppose I should be grateful 😆

  • Matt says:

    It was my that noticed the MCO changes – (look at March if you want the 58K return – come days UC is cheaper the economy!), but what I really dont get is how this dynamic pricing actually works in practice.

    I thought that the dynamic was in relation to the cash equivalent…..I have managed to get 2x LHR-SFO in Feb (wanted to use my last points up and quit VS!!!) for 164K miles, and about £1300 (both combined for 2x adults), but that mileage is now 760K and £2085. The cash ticket price has remained the same!

  • Tom says:

    Seems like I got lucky. At the start of this month I booked BLR to LHR in April next year for 26k points + £160 (Upper Class). It’s 130k now.

    • Chris W says:

      Who is using points to fly to or from BLR

      • Rob says:

        Irrespective of the tourist angle, I suspect the answer is the 2m people of Indian descent in the UK.

      • Rhys says:

        At least two people in these comments, Chris!

      • Joe says:

        I was considering BLR as a gateway city – a day stopover and then a cheap Indigo flight on to Male…..

      • Erico1875 says:

        I do. Then Indigo domestic to Goa.
        Much better transfer experience than Mumbai or Dheli

      • Jake says:

        50k points for two UC tickets and then a connection for a 2 week holiday to Sri-Lanka.

        Far cheaper than Sri-Lankan or Qatar (and avoids running down the Avios balance)

    • Thomas says:

      Actually, the taxes also increased from £160 to £302 now. Are they supposed to be variable too?

      • Rob says:

        Yes, Saver tickets have lower tax levels. (Well, lower surcharges – taxes are obviously fixed)

  • Kazim says:

    I managed to get LHR-MCO for 80k return but this is on the old A330-300, so old upper class seat. The flights on the A350 and the A330-900 were at least 126k+ return, for the newer suites.

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