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    Firstly, many thanks for taking time to read this post – I genuinely appreciate it.

    Would anybody possibly be able to advise about the cheapest way — preferably, in terms of airmiles, but possibly cash, too — to pay for domestic business class flights between HND and CTS airports in Japan?

    In years past (most recently Feb ‘24), I’ve been able to get 2 x return flights from HND to CTS in business class for a combined 38,000 JAL miles for 2 x pax.

    When I go to the JAL site now, identical flights (HND-CTS-HND) are costing 77,000 miles in J for 2 x pax. If I then look at cash flights, JAL wants £375.00 return per person in economy whereas ANA requires approximately £174.00 return in economy (admittedly, a reasonable cash price).

    Are there any known workarounds for finding domestic Japanese J flights at much more reasonably-priced airmiles prices for return flights on either JAL or ANA?

    I did have a look at both BA and AA websites for return flights from HND to CTS, but I’m getting only indirect flights (HND-FUK(!)—CTS) on BA and when it comes to AA there aren’t even any results for HND-CTS flights: the best AA offers is an alternative airport in Hokkaido, which is even less convenient than CTS.

    I did also read that the Qatar Airways website was better-priced in terms Avios for domestic Japanese flights (vs BA) and yet, when I go to the Qatar website or app, they both just return an error message when I search for any HND to Sapporo flights (even when JAL clearly has availability for these flights on these dates).

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks again.

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    I think Virgin points redeemed via ANA were pretty reasonable previously but the last time I used this it was several years ago so not sure if it is still a decent rate or not.

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    For when I are you looking for?

    JAL (and ANA) have cash upgrade options (class J is 3k yen and F is 10k yen). Just purchase the upgradable fare, it’s not that expensive if purchased in advance.

    https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/dom/boarding/sd_upgrade.html

    https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/serviceinfo/advance-upgrade/

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    Thank you for fixing this promptly.

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    HND-CTS is a 350. The J seats are like premium economy seats, the service is the same on both cabins. The national lounges are just a quiet room with green tea, beer and rice crackers. Since the flight is just over 1hr so don’t worry if you fly economy.

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    I did have a look at both BA and AA websites for return flights from HND to CTS, but I’m getting only indirect flights (HND-FUK(!)—CTS) on BA and when it comes to AA there aren’t even any results for HND-CTS flights: the best AA offers is an alternative airport in Hokkaido, which is even less convenient than CTS.

    I searched a few random dates and I’m seeing loads of availability on JAL via BA’s website for CTS and other Hokkaido airports (e.g., KUH, AKJ) in both economy and first. First pricing is 24000 Avios + £0.00 each way (or 8900 Avios + £180.00 for lowest Avios/highest cash option). Only thing I’m not clear about is whether “first” on BA website equates to j-class or first class for JAL domestic flights. I would be reluctant to pay 24,000 Avios pp for one-way J-class as it is really just a premium economy seat for a short flight (as @yonasl indicates), but I appreciate that others may have different thoughts.

    If you’re not seeing direct options for HND-CTS, then those are presumably sold out for your selected dates, I would guess.

    Last summer, I booked Avios flights to ensure I had something, but monitored cash flights for a while until I found a good cash price and then cancelled the Avios bookings.

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    Last year, the best value domestic fares on JAL were Explorer Pass fares. This year, they seem to have soared.

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    Steven many thanks for this. I’ll be honest, I’m hoarding VS points for ANA F or J flights (I’ve managed to get 1 x ANA F outbound, LHR-HND for my wife, just waiting now to see if another F or a J seat opens up between now and the departure date). Thanks for the tip, though — I would probably have gone down this route had it not been for the above.

    I think Virgin points redeemed via ANA were pretty reasonable previously but the last time I used this it was several years ago so not sure if it is still a decent rate or not.

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    Meta many thanks indeed for this. I know you to be a long-time Japan expert, so thank you for these links.

    My planned travel dates are: Feb 4, ’26 – HND-CTS ||| Feb 7, ’26 – CTS-HND

    All the best

    For when I are you looking for?

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    Yonasl — many thanks for this. This is good to know and much appreciated. 🙂

    HND-CTS is a 350. The J seats are like premium economy seats, the service is the same on both cabins. The national lounges are just a quiet room with green tea, beer and rice crackers. Since the flight is just over 1hr so don’t worry if you fly economy.

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    RK228 — thanks so much for this. This last piece of advice, too, is really interesting — I think I might well try to copy suit here. Very good tactic. 🙂

    Many thanks again.

    Last summer, I booked Avios flights to ensure I had something, but monitored cash flights for a while until I found a good cash price and then cancelled the Avios bookings.

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    AlexG — you’re spot-on here. It really is quite a sizeable change in Exlorer fares now.

    Last year, the best value domestic fares on JAL were Explorer Pass fares. This year, they seem to have soared.

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    Meta many thanks indeed for this. I know you to be a long-time Japan expert, so thank you for these links.

    My planned travel dates are: Feb 4, ’26 – HND-CTS ||| Feb 7, ’26 – CTS-HND

    All the best

    For when I are you looking for?

    JAL (and ANA) have cash upgrade options (class J is 3k yen and F is 10k yen). Just purchase the upgradable fare, it’s not that expensive if purchased in advance.

    https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/dom/boarding/sd_upgrade.html

    https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/serviceinfo/advance-upgrade/

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    Last year, the best value domestic fares on JAL were Explorer Pass fares. This year, they seem to have soared.

    I would do the same. There are offers closer to the date from JAL (on their Japanese website as they compete against train fares).

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