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Yes, let’s base TP on how much ££££ you spend. And then let’s not base it on your spend, but divide it by your family, none of whom are ever going to get status…
You can’t have it both ways. Quite sad when you have to introduce rules to enforce your stupid earlier rules. I give it 4 months.
+1 @lhar.
You can’t have it both ways BA.
Either tier points are based on spend or they’re not.@Lady-London – but nothing has changed here! Under the old system someone could spend £20,000 on a holiday for a family of six (or just a group of friends) and each person got their respective TP and Avios. The booker/payer got a few extra Avios but nothing more. It remains exactly the same today. It preserves the important basic principle of TP being per person and not being transferable.
Yes but in between, @JDB, BA announced that Tier Points are now earned based on spend.
That specifically changed everything for Tier Points.
BA changed this, they can’t have their cake and eat it too.
Generally how knowledgeable are the BAH team – never had to contact them before
Put it this way @HildaM. In my limited contact wih them, especially when I needed their 24hr desk, I felt as though I was dealing with the very experienced properly trained staff BA used to have on Reservations oh so long ago.
It’s almost worth booking things you don’t have to as a Holiday, was what I was thinking if this was the normal experience with them.
A) BA is being very generous in offering TP on the full BAH price in TP
B) If you take a family four spending £20,000 they get 5,000 TP each, so a quarter of the way to Gold for which you would have needed 375 TP – not easy even on a Club long haul trip. So everyone is probably better off.
C) Why does it make a difference if someone paid £20k under the old or new system? In your version presumably a booker should also get the TP for their whole family if paying the bill for just plain tickets?? Or perhaps companies should get the TP when paying staff air travel?
@JDB It makes a difference because BA said it does.
BA said Tier Points are now based on spend.
That changes everything.For those that still want the old system where individuals earn based on travel legs completed there is avios.
BA wasn’t joking when they said “Show us the money”.
So whoever’s showing the money gets the Tier Points.I’ve now got a fit of the giggles imagining BA posting spies outside their customers’ hotel rooms to intercept any illicit and undeclared lovers or family members sneaking out at dawn, lol.
@NL, BA will of course be hiring the lady with the severe blonde bob from The White Lotus to do this job. She’s perfectly qualified.
Ha! We are currently watching Season 3. None of the guests seem to be on 241 or 544, or even a BAH!
But exactly this: A high-earning adult wants to treat their family to a £20k holiday, to which none of the family will make a financial contribution, but they are expected to share the rewards, in the form of TPs, equally between the family. It’s not the same as before, because where someone could get 1500 TPs by spending £3k on carefully-planned BAH’s, now they have to spend nearly 7 times that. £20k could have easily got a family of 4 to gold under the old system, even if, as some commenters would have it, they were phoney freeloaders gaming the system and clogging up the lounges.
But I’m sure I read recently that if you book your holiday via Iberia, the lead booker can have all the TPs/elite points …
@NorthernLass – that’s a complete non sequitur!
The theoretical £20k holiday person mentioned in many threads and article comments is no better or worse off under the new system.
Of course the freeloaders following The Sun’s guide of how to get a BA Gold card for £3k are going to lose out, but that’s not only not what the thread was about, but also doesn’t address the principle or fairness of whether the £20k spender should now suddenly get all the spend for each traveller attributed to them in the form of tier points. It seems rather a slippery slope for business travellers if all TP accrue to the payer.
@LadyLondon – “It makes a difference because BA said it does.” Since when have you attributed any credence to what BA says?!
BA have always in the 35 years the club has existed given the benefits to the passenger not the payer. To do otherwise would be commercially suicidal. They have kept to this rule, as would be expected.
The full 20k still collects avios if all family are in a household account , which no doubtthe payer controls.
The issue isn’t the avios though which it appears still get awarded to the individual passenger
It’s the tier points and how they are allocated and how some think they have a work around for one person to get them all for a family holiday.
The issue isn’t the avios though which it appears still get awarded to the individual passenger
It’s the tier points and how they are allocated and how some think they have a work around for one person to get them all for a family holiday.
I think that BA(H) will be very watchful about this. The principle is very important.
I think that BA(H) will be very watchful about this. The principle is very important.
Indeed it is and they will be careful to clamp down on what they may see as an abuse.
And as I said in an earlier post it will likely be the hotels who will be on to this because extra people turning up when they aren’t expected causes them extra work and hassle.
It was likely the car hire people at the likes of Budapest and Sofia who complained about all the car reservations that weren’t collected that led to one of the first tightening up of the T&Cs rather than BA Hols picking it up.
Can somebody explain to me how can you book a flight for one and hotel for multiple people? (other than booking a double room as a single and then showing up with a partner/friend).
My experience with the BAH tool is that you can only add as many rooms as people flying. So you cannot book a flight and 4 rooms for instance (for those trying to spend £20k).
On another subject, I must agree with @JDB on this one. in the past (with our without double TPs offer) EACH passenger got THEIR TPs based on the flights they took. So there was no TOTAL amount of TPs but instead to each its own. Now we have the same system but based on the total spent. BA has decided to provide TPs on pounds spent PER PERSON (they never said somebody booking multiple tickets would get all the TPs).
Can somebody explain to me how can you book a flight for one and hotel for multiple people? (other than booking a double room as a single and then showing up with a partner/friend).
My experience with the BAH tool is that you can only add as many rooms as people flying. So you cannot book a flight and 4 rooms for instance (for those trying to spend £20k).
.Quite simple really. You just book a bigger room!
There isn’t any sort of sense check when booking hotels that goes “hey there’s only one of you bookign a flight but you’re booking a suite for 4′
You then book separate flight only for the rest of the party and rock up at the hotel with 4 instead of just you at the hotel ex[pects
Can somebody explain to me how can you book a flight for one and hotel for multiple people? (other than booking a double room as a single and then showing up with a partner/friend).
My experience with the BAH tool is that you can only add as many rooms as people flying. So you cannot book a flight and 4 rooms for instance (for those trying to spend £20k).
On another subject, I must agree with @JDB on this one. in the past (with our without double TPs offer) EACH passenger got THEIR TPs based on the flights they took. So there was no TOTAL amount of TPs but instead to each its own. Now we have the same system but based on the total spent. BA has decided to provide TPs on pounds spent PER PERSON (they never said somebody booking multiple tickets would get all the TPs).
But you can book 1 flight and a 1 or 2 bedroom suite…. for 4 people….
@StanTheMan – yes you can, and that’s precisely what they are trying to stop and I think BAH clarifying this on day one shows serious intent.
@StanTheMan – yes you can, and that’s precisely what they are trying to stop and I think BAH clarifying this on day one shows serious intent.
We are a family of 3, so it would be quite easy to book a holiday for one person and then book flights/hotel separately for 2 people. Whilst Avios are also attributed to each customer, it’s a moot point for me since they get pooled into a Household account.
Personally, it’s all a mess for me as a customer. I can buy 1000TP via SAF, which will not be spent on SAF (so I might as well still buy £1000 of full fare ticket for almost 1000TP). Or I can get 2,500 via AMEX spend, but no-one knows how.
@lhar – the issue here is TP that have never been able to be pooled or transferred unlike Avios. The position re TP has not changed.
We are a family of 3, so it would be quite easy to book a holiday for one person and then book flights/hotel separately for 2 people. Whilst Avios are also attributed to each customer, it’s a moot point for me since they get pooled into a Household account.
Personally, it’s all a mess for me as a customer. I can buy 1000TP via SAF, which will not be spent on SAF (so I might as well still buy £1000 of full fare ticket for almost 1000TP). Or I can get 2,500 via AMEX spend, but no-one knows how.
Again you are confusing avios with TPs. Ignore the avios as there has been no change to how they are earned.
If you book a holiday for yourself you are going to get all the TPs in your account.
Booking separate flights for the other 2 people means they both get TPs into their accounts
If you booked a holiday with all 3 of you on it you are all going to get an equal 1/3rd share of the TPs. If any of them don’t have an exec club account then you still get 1/3rd of the TPs
What BA is trying to prevent is you booking a hotel with a larger room capacity as part of your holiday and then trying to add the other 2 to the same room when you arrive at the hotel.
I haven’t read of anyone turning up with extra people they haven’t previously cleared with the hotel.
But it’s moot, anyway, as Iberia is offering a much better deal in respect of earning status via package holidays!
I haven’t read of anyone turning up with extra people they haven’t previously cleared with the hotel.
But it’s moot, anyway, as Iberia is offering a much better deal in respect of earning status via package holidays!
Now, clearing it with the hotel is going to be the issue! The hotel’s client and payer, BA, is wanting to know if/when this happens. It didn’t matter before; now it does.
I get that! Just saying I don’t think it was that much of an issue for the hotels as long as any extra charges were paid, more like BA trying to limit their liabilities in respect of awarding TPs in this Brave New World.
The hotels may well get fed up with BA’s demands that they spy on their clientele and report back, 1984-style.
I’m sure literary metaphors will go straight over their heads, however!
BA is the paying client so the hotel is simply complying with its contract rather than ‘spying’ on anyone.
To the extent anyone is attempting to deceive BA into giving them TP to which they aren’t entitled, they can’t really complain if the airline fights back particularly when explicitly put on notice. A few spot checks on the obvious abusers will be very easy.
It’s BA’s game, and they make the rules. No point complaining about unfairness and no point lookimg back in anger.
There is only one legitimate fiddle. If you are booking a big room or asuite for adults and a cheap room for children. Say 10k on one room , 5 k on other. Then you should do it as two bookings with the payer in expensive room. Then contact hotel if you want it adjoining.
The client is ultimately paying for the holiday, so it’s just not correct to say that the hotel is being paid by BA. I can’t imagine it’s remotely normal to have a “contract” which requires a hotel to report on customer behaviour to a third party! I think hotels will find this bizarre and onerous – it looks as though BA is starting to lose the plot, frankly.
@Garethgerry, do you mean make 2 separate BAH bookings? It would be interesting to see whether BA would consider this a breach of the Ts and Cs, if you then started playing musical beds with who sleeps in which room!
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