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    It’s be lonely next Christmas
    No Silver, no Gold
    No free seat selection
    No free baggage in the hold
    We have told Sean Doyle
    Don’t piss off those that are loyal
    Next Christmas

    As a “tier run”s down my face, I hope I will see this song – or fellow travellers – No 1 – next Xmas.

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    I do wonder if the beancounter that calculated the impact on their bottom line factored in the absolute hammering that the BA Holidays division is going to take now people won’t be going for double TPs or TP runs any more.

    Probably appears on a different spreadsheet!

    The knock on effect for the hotels on their list and the car rental agencies will also be significant but that won’t matter to BA.

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    Don’t blame the bean counters, @davefl, you’ll get shouted at 😂

    Great work, @Ihar!

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    I do wonder if the beancounter that calculated the impact on their bottom line factored in the absolute hammering that the BA Holidays division is going to take now people won’t be going for double TPs or TP runs any more.

    Probably appears on a different spreadsheet!

    The knock on effect for the hotels on their list and the car rental agencies will also be significant but that won’t matter to BA.

    The Cathy Adams article in the Travel section of todays Sunday Times seemed to think BA Holidays was the best route to achieve status in the future. This was for leisure travellers, not the corporate paid ticket group.

    It’s probably right, the spend is still significant, but less significant than tying to buy it through ticket purchases.

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    Bravo @Ihar – I’m sure if it was up on Spotify the streaming royalties you’d get if everyone who’s commented here on the subject had a listen would earn you enough to get you a visit to the Plaza Express lounge at LGW N 🤣

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    Great work @Ihar !!

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    I do wonder if the beancounter that calculated the impact on their bottom line factored in the absolute hammering that the BA Holidays division is going to take now people won’t be going for double TPs or TP runs any more.

    Probably appears on a different spreadsheet!

    The knock on effect for the hotels on their list and the car rental agencies will also be significant but that won’t matter to BA.

    The Cathy Adams article in the Travel section of todays Sunday Times seemed to think BA Holidays was the best route to achieve status in the future. This was for leisure travellers, not the corporate paid ticket group.

    It’s probably right, the spend is still significant, but less significant than tying to buy it through ticket purchases.

    I was quite pleased with her conclusion to turn to BAH. Sufficient dilettante users will look that way, whilst those with moxie explore OW alternatives.

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    I do wonder if the beancounter that calculated the impact on their bottom line factored in the absolute hammering that the BA Holidays division is going to take now people won’t be going for double TPs or TP runs any more.

    Probably appears on a different spreadsheet!

    The knock on effect for the hotels on their list and the car rental agencies will also be significant but that won’t matter to BA.

    BA holidays is now the best route to get the spend though so if anything it sends people that way

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    I’m not sure, I think people may well look at BA prices, then decide they get better value elsewhere and unchain themselves from having to pay £7500 to get Silver for 12 months or so with (possibly) no soft landing. Also many people won’t be able to time their holidays (compared with shorter, previously higher-earning trips) to maximise the status benefits and may give up due to that.

    Plus that £7500 will have to be for one person only on the booking, so a partner may look askance at the expenditure!

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    Some will for sure.

    Others will just think it’s a good way to boost their status. It’s simple BA want people to spend money with them and be rewarded for spending their money with them.

    This change does exactly that.

    Just like the hotels run double nights promos I’m sure BA can do the same with qualifying spend if they aren’t seeing the numbers they want.

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    I’m not sure, I think people may well look at BA prices, then decide they get better value elsewhere and unchain themselves from having to pay £7500 to get Silver for 12 months or so with (possibly) no soft landing. Also many people won’t be able to time their holidays (compared with shorter, previously higher-earning trips) to maximise the status benefits and may give up due to that.

    Plus that £7500 will have to be for one person only on the booking, so a partner may look askance at the expenditure!

    This is my point. You can buy a lot of seat fees/upgrades/lounge access and food for the difference between chasing that paltry silver status at £7500.

    Is £7500 worth it when you can avoid detours via LHR with the accompanying stress, overcrowded BA lounges (even if the crowds ultimately thin out). Is losing half a day connecting, overnight stops at LHR, extra hotels etc, when you can just fly direct on another airline.

    And remember at MAN BA will stay in T3, wheras just about all the other airlines will be in T2 with its new champagne bar and weatherspoons in the next couple of months… well forget the spoons 😉

    You could even use the premair or whatever it’s called now and still be quids in.

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    Yep, apparently arrivals will be bussed to T2, you couldn’t make it up.

    However it still remains that there are a lot of places with no direct flights from MAN. 5 US destinations and 3? Caribbean ones is astonishingly poor.

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    @davefl not sure why this changes any of that. Was it any less of a detour when it was 600TP it still made no sense to go out your way for something that took more time, was more expensive and stressful.

    A free G&T in a lounge (if it wasn’t crowded) wasn’t worth all that.

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    @davefl not sure why this changes any of that. Was it any less of a detour when it was 600TP it still made no sense to go out your way for something that took more time, was more expensive and stressful.

    A free G&T in a lounge (if it wasn’t crowded) wasn’t worth all that.

    I’ve been saying this for years but nobody was listening. Now they’re all scrabbling round looking for alternatives and they are pretty obvious.

    I did it once to gain silver, it was a disaster due to BA’s rescheduling and general incompetence. I’ve never attempted it again.

    The only reason I flew back from JNB via LHR on BA in 1st last year was that it was preferable to flying VS to T3, self transfer to T5 and on to Man. The 2 bottles of wine I consumed on the journey and breakfast in the concorde lounge didn’t impress me much.

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    BA will move from T3 to T2 at MAN once some work on the doemstic arrivals stream is complete and that should be by the end of June

    As far as I can tell the only people being bussed will be those who have connections at MAN and not those merely arriving.

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    BA will move from T3 to T2 at MAN once some work on the doemstic arrivals stream is complete and that should be by the end of June

    What’s your source for this? I’ve not seen it reported anywhere

    As far as I can tell the only people being bussed will be those who have connections at MAN and not those merely arriving.

    They’ve been doing this for connections for years, no expectation that ordinary arrivals would be bussed.

    So if the sole BA route moves across, plus “domestic”, will that leave Ryanair in T3 with a handful of other european bound airlines?

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