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First time back on here for a while after successfully using lots of tips to book return business class seats to Australia and back for later this year.
Now looking to use another CV for Edi-Hong Kong then Singapore-Edi open-jawed CW seats. I know the guidelines about booking from previous reading but there seems to be newer stuff about pricing zones. I know the rules about distances between the destinations but Hong Kong is 100,000 miles and Singapore 110,000 – can I still book as open jaw as the miles required are different ? Further, other pricing options don’t match until you get down to 66,000 miles – do the specific miles have to match at the other pricing options or is it the level of the option ? For example, the 1st option after the full mileage is 92,000 for Singapore but only 84,000 for Hong Kong. Is this a ‘match’ for BA pricing purposes ?
TIA
That looks to be the difference between peak and off-peak dates rather than zones 🤷♀️
Thanks NorthernLass but I’ve just checked the ‘How many AVIOS do I need’ table again and it shows that you need 10,000 more for Singapore than Hong Kong on both off-peak and peak dates
@SulacoLV426 you talk about destinations being 100k ‘miles’, when you surely mean points. I think you may be conflating the different points/cash options with the pricing zones (these two things are unrelated) which makes it difficult trying to work out what you’re asking.
You are confusing several things here.
Open jaw rules are based on the actual distances between airports.
This is not the same as the number of avios needed for particular flight.
An LHR-SIN then HKG-LHR booking is perfectly fine because the distance in miles between SIN and HKG is shorter than the distances between LHR-SIN and HKG-LHR
Sorry if I’ve missed this somewhere in the Forum. New to this.
I’ve already booked my CV one way from Madrid to Santiago, Chile. I have purchased a London Madrid ticket separately.
I am trying to book a return from Santiago in Club preferably direct back to LHR. Currently nothing available.
I know I will have to phone to make this booking if it becomes available.
However I’m wondering to myself if BA will allow me to do this or say I’ve got to return to the starting point. ie Madrid.
Anyone tried this?
Thanks.@1Rocktail – the only way to be sure is to call BA, but they have indeed in the last few months been refusing routings with a return back to London on the basis that origin open jaws in different zones aren’t allowed.
Ok thanks for the info.
Sorry for any confusion guys. Yes, I meant AVIOS points rather than miles.
I’ll try again….so we may not have enough points for the full points option (100K and 110K respectively off-peak). Obviously there are different points/cash options but I believe you need to choose the same option/level for both flights to use this with a CV. The points/cash options finally match at 66K (although the cash part differs, no problem) which is the 3rd of the points/cash options for both flights.
Before that the 1st option for HK is 84K/cash but 92K/cash for Singapore. If my understanding of combining the other pricing options is correct, my question is whether 84K/cash and 92K/cash is a valid combination as they are the 1st tier further options available or do I need to go down as far as 66k/cash so that the points match for both flights ?
Hopefully that makes my question a bit clearer. Again, apologies for any confusion
@SulacoLV426 yes, that should be fine. As long as you pick the same points/cost option (i.e. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. option) on both legs, the agent should be able add your return leg. It doesn’t matter what the actual number of points is, which given it’s an open jaw, can be different between the out and inbound legs as you’ve noticed.
Thanks Scott. That’s what I was hoping. Fingers crossed the agent sees it that way too !
@1Rocktail how did you get on with booking your return flight as have similarly booked Madrid to Buenos Aires (with separate ticket from LHR to Madrid) and am now waiting to book my return from Rio to LHR?
Any tips on what exactly to say on chat (or over the phone) to get avios refunded for an inbound booked online at T-355?
If anyone already wrote this in the thread, feel free to just point me to that. 🙂– Login / chatbot
“Speak to agent”
Enter details requested – Exec club no / address / passport no
“Hello, I recently booked flights using a Companion Voucher for next May. The return leg was not yet released so I booked it when it became available a couple of days ago. I now need to combine the Companion Voucher with the second booking so I can get the Avios refunded. Can you help please?”
“I’m not sure I can do that online”
“Could you pass me through to another agent please as I’ve done this many times on live chat before without an issue”
Then when you get somebody who understands just have the 2 booking refs handy.
Does anyone know if the process of booking the RTB a week or 2 later, and reclaiming the Avios, is the same for tickets with Iberia?
Yes, because you have to make the booking via BA if using the 241.
Thanks a lot NorthernLass
I wanted to say thank you to all the kind and helpful people in this thread for their advice (especially @NorthernLass).
My comment is a bit late, but thanks to the advice I managed to secure 2 Tokyo tickets using 241 for April 2026 with midnight calls (outbound Iberia Business MAD-NRT and inbound BA PE HND-LHR). I had a couple of failed attempts on both outbound and inbound, but fortunately the buffer we had built with the extra days came in handy, and we’ve got a 15 day trip booked now.
Really excited for our first trip!! Now I need to scour through the Japan megathread for tips and plan an itinerary.
Long time reader, first time poster
I have a companion voucher I’m intending to use December 2025 to February 2026. Is it possible to book the outbound flight in December today, and then book the return February flight later this year, and link the companion voucher to it?
I unexpectedly found LHR-SYD biz flights in the autumn. Return is on the Saturday. I can see there is SYD-LHR availability on the Monday. I was hoping to move my SIN leg from the Sat to the Monday to see family in Singapore.
Is there a way to do that on the phone – I tried one agent but he couldn’t see individual leg availability, and said he couldnt remove/move one leg without cancelling the whole return leg booking and rebooking the SYD-SIN fresh and then SIN-LHR. of course if my original booking was released there would be availability on the Saturday but he couldnt “grab” that.
Is that true or did I just get a less knowledgeable agent? Any help appreciated!
@Jtoppy, you can do, by calling BA and asking them to add the inbound leg, but why not book the whole trip now so you don’t risk losing the Feb seats in the meantime?
Hi everyone,
I’ve been reading this forum for ages but never posted—until now! Hoping some of the experts here might be able to help me out because I’m going round in circles trying to get my head around this.
I’m looking to book a Business Class return from London to Singapore next July for my family (2 adults, 1 child who will be 2, and 1 infant under 2). We’re then carrying on to Australia, which I’ll book separately with cash.
I have a BA Companion Voucher (the Barclaycard one) which I’d like to use for this trip. My plan is to book the outbound leg as soon as my dates are released, then call up BA later to add the return leg once that becomes available.
I’m really struggling to work out the total Avios cost for all four of us (with one lap infant and one child who’ll need their own seat).
Would anyone be able to help me figure out:
What the Avios cost would be for this trip (roughly)?
Any tips for adding the return leg later on with the companion voucher?
Anything I need to know about booking with young children (especially with the lap infant)?
I’ve seen bits and pieces of advice on here but I’m not sure how it all fits together in this scenario.
Any help, advice, or wisdom would be really appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!
tauri
First of all, which voucher do you actually have; the companion voucher (from the BA or BAPP Amex card), or the upgrade voucher (from the Barclaycard)?!
First of all, which voucher do you actually have; the companion voucher (from the BA or BAPP Amex card), or the upgrade voucher (from the Barclaycard)?!
Actually I have both! Apologies for the confusion, I am not sure why I wrote Barclaycard in my initial post.
Is your plan to book online or on the phone? If online you should really be doing a few dummy bookings to get the feel of the process – you should be able to select 2 adults plus a child, and possibly also the infant, I can’t recall whether you can add the lap infant online or need to call to do that.
I can see a few days on SeatSpy with 3 x CW seats, e.g. June 19th & 21st, so try those. You’ll then get a good idea of the avios & tax/fee options – the avios price may just be a bit higher if your travel dates are at peak time.
Using the BAPP voucher you should be paying 2 x the full avios price, 3 sets of taxes/fees and then I think you get charged 10% for an infant.
Re the best way to secure seats on release, the best advice is to invest as much time as you can reading this thread!
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