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  • notrob 7 posts

    I can’t see any reason why such a thing would be available, but perhaps it is?

    Had a BA flight to Alicante delayed by 4 hours+ a few months back and BA have rejected my initial 261 claim telling me that the delay was due to Air Traffic restrictions in the airspace that the flight needed to pass through.

    The inbound flight was delayed by 3.5 hours and the original crew had then worked too many hours and needed to be replaced so I think this is just the usual attempt to fob me off, but if there was a way to prove the point it would be handy….

    Ta!

    Lady London 2,055 posts

    I hope someone will be able to say where this information is publicly viewable too.

    In addition to weather, it sounds like BA is trying to make their own failure to roster enough crew to keep flights they have sold running, blameable on contingencies that are not exceptional in normal operation. An airline operating on the scale BA operates on, really needs to carry a normal contingency of crew etc., for known contingencies and ATC restrictions were known for long enough for them to have bern able to have crew and equipment available.

    If the crew had run out of hours at an outstation due to an extreme new type of contingency so couldn’t fly an aircraft back home to BA base in the UK, it might be arguable as exceptional circumstances that could not have been anticipated as part of doing business.

    But to have no new crew available at BA home base after ATC restrictions were known for enough hours (and maybe days or weeks if it was last summer) means BA failed to arrange enough crew to fly the outgoing flight after knowing for long enough that the incoming crew was going to be out of hours, and BA should have arranged crew for the outgoing in good time accordingly.

    I’d persist with the claim as the fact they’re saying they wwre short of crew at their home base makes them guilty to me.

    JenT 152 posts

    Eurocontrol makes this information available via their Network Operations Portal. In the middle box (Network Headline News), the Tactical Updates show regulations which are in force. The historical updates are available too but I don’t know how far back in time you can view them.

    The only problem is knowing which sectors/volumes of airspace your flight was flight-planned to go through, so this information may not actually help!

    JDB 4,388 posts

    @notrob – the information you seek is not available publicly, even if certain ATC bodies publish elements of it. The CAA does publish a small selection of cancelled or pre-tactically cancelled flights on its website, but it is very limited in scope.

    Your only realistic option if you don’t believe BA’s basis of refusal is to escalate your claim to CEDR or MCOL and BA will then be obliged to produce the relevant evidence if they wish successfully to defend your claim. It is up to BA to prove the issue, not the passenger.

    yonasl 956 posts

    This last bit is true. If you escalate and say “please provide documentation showing the ATC issue was extraordinary, not know to you and the effect to the crew unavoidable” they will need to provide some sort of proof.

    That said, my dad once had a flight to JNB cancelled because a mouse was seen on the plane before boarding which meant they had to remove all food, fumigate and reload. When he complained BA gave the schedule of fumigation and cleaning and said that was enough and they had done everything they could (and hence the presence of the noise was exceptional). I believe they were wrong but my dad did not have the energy to take it further.

    notrob 7 posts

    Many thanks for the replies!

    I will investigate the Eurocontrol info and escalate if needed.

    I must say this is an annoyingly effective approach by BA – I have been sat on this for a week and the effort involved in looking things up does leave you wondering if you can be bothered – I bet lots of people would just give up.

    TooPoorToBeHere 238 posts

    There is an FT thread at https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/2146197-faq-reason-flight-delay-cancellation-2024-edition.html where you can often get info on what the reason for cancelation/delay was – and sometimes a helpful BA person will post what got entered into their internal system as the reason.

    JDB 4,388 posts

    Many thanks for the replies!

    I will investigate the Eurocontrol info and escalate if needed.

    I must say this is an annoyingly effective approach by BA – I have been sat on this for a week and the effort involved in looking things up does leave you wondering if you can be bothered – I bet lots of people would just give up.


    @notrob
    – the thing is that it is completely irrelevant – you don’t need to look up anything. You simply escalate to CEDR where the onus is on BA to provide evidence to defend your claim. If they fail to produce evidence or such evidence is insufficient, you will win your claim. If BA doesn’t have any evidence they may just fold at an early stage.

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