Look out for Virgin Atlantic downgrades (and no Premium Economy) as 787 problems mount

Lots of people have written a lot of nice things about the Boeing 787.  It has big windows, it is fairly quiet and – for airlines – it is amazingly fuel efficient.

Unfortunately there is a downside that few people are writing about.  The planes are often dogs.  A BA insider told me recently that, taken across the industry, he believes it is the least reliable aircraft currently in service.

This is hitting Virgin Atlantic harder than most.  As this article by Seth Miller points out, a number of its Boeing 787 aircraft are currently out of service awaiting a full replacement of their Rolls-Royce engines.  At $50m each, this is going to be expensive surgery.

With no spare engines apparently available (ANA also reportedly has grounded 787 aircraft awaiting new engines), Virgin Atlantic has written to travel agents warning them of changes to come.  It is going to lease a couple of long-haul planes in order to keep the schedule going.

The problems will be:

these planes are unlikely to have a business class product on a par with Upper Class

these planes are unlikely to have Premium Economy at all, since there are few 3-class aircraft available for charter

At least, if you are travelling in Premium Economy, you would have the opportunity to cancel if it turned out that you were booked on an aircraft with no PE cabin.  Upper Class passengers would not have a legal right to cancel, as they would still be sat in a business class seat even if it was a substandard, possibly not even fully flat, one.

Virgin’s problems are compounded by the well publicised incident in New York last week when an A330 damaged a wing in a ground collision with an Egyptair plane.

If you have a Virgin Atlantic booking for the next few months, I recommend keeping an eye on the Virgin website to check for any changes to the plane type or your allocated seating.

Where can you fly on BA from T3 to visit the new Qantas and Cathay Pacific lounges?
My review of the Aer Lingus lounge in Dublin Terminal 2
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  1. Flew a BA 789 on Friday in PE. I’m not sure if it’s a common feature as it was my first time in PE but I found it very quirky that the partition between PE and CW interfered with the overhead locker and the cabn crew had to unlatch the partition and fold a portion of it down in order to open the locker. I thought it was a really poor design.

    Other than that a very nice flight, but I felt the A350’s I’ve flown on where a little quieter and smoother i general. The windows did seem huge on the 787 though which was nice.

    • To be fair, the cabin is not part of the aircraft but is installed after manufacture by whichever company BA selected – nothing to do with 787 quality.

    • roberto says:

      The 777 has the same partition/locker issue between Club and WTP.

      • Yep. Spotted that last week on the 777 I was on flying back from the Caribbean. What was more annoying was no dedicated toilets for WTP so had to go through curtains to use ones in WT just behind it. Don’t know why they can’t move the curtain back a little so we don’t have to share.

  2. Flight recently out of LHR to Miami switched to a geriatric A340, it was a truly dreadful experience. The cabin was an embarrassment for UC, the videos didn’t work in half the cabin were tiny and of poor quality. Food selections ran out, white wine ran out….seats and layout are awful…. even fell below the abysmal standards of BA and that is saying something.

  3. Jason Hindle says:

    I would have thought it should be possible for an Upper Class passenger to cancel. After all, Virgin advertise these seats; the advertising sets certain expectations. Trading Standards?

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  6. David plain says:

    Ah I wondered why there were a few 787s parked by the virgin hanger at lhr with engines missing. Anyone departing off 27right will be able to see them out of the right side of their aircraft

  7. James A says:

    Lots of people have written nice things about the 787…none of them from the economy cabins 😛

  8. Virgin have always had issues with inadequate backup for planes with problems. BA usually has spare planes just lying around – when our 747 had a technical problem at T5 a few months ago, another 747 was conjured up and left within 2 hours. Considering we had to disembark and reboard the new aircraft, that’s pretty good.

    BA also often have a spare plane at JFK “just in case”

    Virgin fully utilise and so have less scope fr recovery

    • Not only does BA have a plane, there is a full crew for that plane sat in a hotel rooms somewhere on the Heathrow periphery.

      • Richard says:

        And with EU261 rules as is, it probably doesn’t cost them any more than it would to not have them there.

  9. One flight from LHR to JFK on 14 Nov was cancelled due to lack of aircraft. Moved to LHR to ATL, which was OK as we were on our way to FLL. However, the LHR to ATL flight was a Delta flight, business class not as good as Virgin Upper Class.

  10. When BA had their IT problems, I had to rebook my extended family on to a Virgin 787 from LHR to MIA and they all reported a very enjoyable flight in economy.

  11. David Walsh says:

    787 gets my award for the least comfortable long haul aircraft in economy ever in the history of aviation. Rubbing shoulders with passengers on both sides so you cannot sleep and arm rests so narrow they hurt your elbows. A generally sweaty and uncomfortable experience. Exception is JAL only who have wider seats and arm rests in their 787’s than every other airline I avoid the 787 like the plague but unfortunately I have had to fly it many times because there has been no other alternative that fits my schedule.

  12. Texan78730 says:

    Rolls Royce also manufactured the Trent engine that exploded on QF SIN/SYD in 2010.

    • Every engine manufacturer has its ‘issues’.

      If there’s one thing people in the aviation industries learn early, it’s not to take glee in the misfortune of your competitors; your misfortune is usually just around the corner.

  13. BA opted for British built RR engines. Airlines which opted for the American GE engines aren’t having the problems.

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