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How I tried to outwit the St Regis New York $50 ‘Daily Destination Fee’

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I spent three nights last week at St Regis New York.  Whilst I used 60,000 Marriott Rewards points per night, the hotel was selling for $1,100 + tax per night for a standard room.  This seems to be their normal peak rate looking at busy weeknights over the next few weeks.

I was lucky to be upgraded to a 100 sq m suite, selling for $2,800 + tax per night.  A review of that will follow next week.

Yes, despite this pricing, St Regis New York has jumped on the ‘resort fee’ / ‘Daily Destination Fee’ bandwagon.

St Regis New York Daily Destination Fee

Whilst this sort of behaviour is illegal in the UK, it is rampant in US resorts and has now spread to New York.  Irrespective of the rate you agree on booking, although if you book direct it is clearly flagged on the website, when you arrive you are told there is a compulsory $50 + tax per room ‘Daily Destination Fee’.  To quote from the card I was given:

“Our Daily Destination Fee includes experiences and offers designed to enhance your stay in New York City:

  • $50 per day Food & Beverage Credit (excludes mini bar) and
  • $50 per day Laundry or Dry Cleaning Credit and
  • $25 per day Fodera Hair Salon Credit (excludes manicures) and
  • Complimentary High Speed Internet Access, Unlimited Local, Long Distance and International Calls and
  • Two Museum Tickets per day to either MoMA or The Metropolitan Museum of Art”

Two of these five ‘offers’ should be immediately ignored.  Manicures, excluded from the hair salon offer, are the only thing the salon offers for under $50.  Marriott offers free internet in all hotels globally to anyone who books direct.

It is important to note that the credit cannot be rolled over from day to day.

I was determined to get full value for this forcibly extracted fee.  How did I do?

Day 1

Here was my first surprise.  The $50 Daily Destination Fee runs on calendar days whilst your stay will usually run from, say, 2pm to 11am.

This means that you don’t get any credit for spend on the day you check out.  So:

you need to spend $50 on the day you check in, which if you’re flying from the UK is likely to be late evening so you don’t have much time

you can’t use it towards breakfast on your final morning, because charges on check-out day do not count

I wasn’t to be beaten though.  I headed down to the King Cole Bar after checking in and ordered a $20 glass of wine and a $28 plate of lobster-filled potato skins, below.  $50 credit extinguished.  The credit is offset against the total bill including tax and gratuities.

King Cole Bar St Regis New York food

Day 2

If you were suitably sad, you could bring some laundry over from the UK in order to fully use your $50 daily laundry or dry cleaning credit, but I didn’t.  However, I purposely only packed one spare shirt for the four days.

After breakfast (free due to my Marriott Platinum Premier status, so I didn’t need to use my $50 food and beverage credit for it) I made up a laundry bag and sent my shirt from the previous day off for a same-day wash and iron.  $19 of value clawed back.

I was having dinner with a friend so I couldn’t use the $50 food and beverage credit in the hotel in the evening.  I decided to have a lunch in the hotel instead, ordering room service mid-afternoon whilst doing an email tidy-up before everyone in the UK went home.  My lobster roll came in at $28 plus $8 room service charge + 18% compulsory tip + taxes, offset by the $50 credit.  Bargain.

St Regis New York Daily Destination Fee

I then messed up.  I had planned to hit the Museum of Modern Art which is just two blocks away. However, in the city that never sleeps, MOMA goes to bed at 5.30pm and I had left it too late for Day 2.

I checked out the hairdressers but at $75 and upwards for a gents cut the $25 credit I was allowed to claim did not seem like a bargain.

Day 3

After my free breakfast (which, given that the welcome glass of orange juice they give you is billed at $15 with another $9 for coffee, and that their premium omelette is $125, it needs to be), I sent my shirt from Day 2 off to same-day laundry.  Another $19 of value.

After lunch, I finally got to spend a couple of hours in the Museum of Modern Art.

I only needed one ticket but, as I was entitled to two, I took two and gave one away to someone queuing at the museum ticket desk.  $25 value for my ticket and someone else got $25 of value too.

With no dinner date, I popped back down to the bar in the evening.  A $19 glass of wine and a $22 plate of calamari swallowed my $50 daily food and beverage credit.

Day 4

This was check-out day.  As I noted above, any charges you incur on your final day are not valid against the Daily Destination Fee because they count charges on your check-in day instead.

This would only have been a problem if I was relying on the $50 food and beverage credit to pay for breakfast, but I got this for free via my Marriott status anyway.

In total ….

Over my three nights, I paid the hotel ($50 + tax x 3) $171 in ‘Daily Destination Fee’.

In return I got two shirts laundered, one MOMA ticket (and gave another away), one lobster roll lunch and two ‘one food plate and a glass of wine’ dinners in the bar.

Now, you probably think I’m going to say “but I’d rather have had the $171 in my pocket”.  To a large extent this in true.

On the other hand, part of me was happy that I had been forced to spend some time and money in the hotel.  I probably wouldn’t have gone in the lovely bar otherwise, my lobster roll lunch would probably have been a Starbucks takeaway at my desk, I may not have got to MOMA (although I do normally visit when I’m there so that is less clear cut) and I would have been looking a bit scruffier without a freshly washed and ironed shirt each day.

If the hotel was still offering 3,000 Marriott Rewards points per night on top as part of the fee, which it was last year before it started cutting back, the return on my $50 would actually have been good value.

If I had been here with someone else, I would have got more value from the MOMA tickets – because we would have used two, worth $50 – and we would probably have used the full $50 daily laundry and dry cleaning credit.  We may even have got to the Metropolitan Museum as well.  On that basis we’d probably have turned a profit.

I should add that, if you don’t have Marriott Platinum or higher status, using the $50 food and beverage credit for breakfast is well worth it – except on your last day when it won’t count.  The breakfast room is lovely and it is 100% a la carte waiter service.  You may even feel grateful that you were effectively forced into it.

Of course the real point ….

…. is that it is ludicrous that a hotel which routinely charges $1,100 + tax for a standard room on a busy night, and rarely less than $800 + tax, feels the need to mess about like this for the sake of $50. 

The hit to their image, and the staff time needed to adjust every single guest bill, surely can’t justify it.

But what did I actually think of St Regis New York?

Good question.  Look out for my review next week.


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Comments (142)

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  • Brighton Belle says:

    Resort fees? Pah! Is there some sort of status anxiety in play? “ I can afford to look dumb and be gouged?” I’m SO rich I don’t care?

    Paying the City Tax in many European destinations now seems like a bargain. But then being charged extra to sit down while I drink a beer in Spain also seems to be a comfort fee. Service providers who try to game you into paying additional fees might reasonably rot in hell if there’s balance sheet in the next life.

    Nice story Rob.

  • Nick says:

    I’ve booked 5 nights in caesars palace in Las Vegas for an upcoming trip and at checkout I said I will have to pay $220 resort fees.

  • Prins Polo says:

    Those destination fees in NY are a robbery. At some hotels, you literally feel like paying for junk mail dropped into your mailbox as the potential benefits are non-existent (eg at Hyatt Centric Times Square those were mostly some useless things like tour of Times Square – no dining credit or laundry credit).

  • Neil says:

    I recently decided that any hotel that I stay at that imposes these ludicrous fees will automatically get a 1-star review on Trip Advisor and Google, with the text making it clear this is the reason.

    Come on people – join my crusade!

    This just reminded me I haven’t left my 1-star for the Venetian in Las Vegas yet.

    • Alan says:

      Haha I like it 🙂

    • Alex Sm says:

      I think it’s even better to do this on their own reviews which many hotels ask you to fill out post-stay, they can react quicker than on TA.

    • Lady London says:

      2 stars might be better. Some intelligent ways of assessing ratings pre-discard any at both extremes particularly the 1-star ones. I think consistent 2 or 3 star ratings more likely to mess up a hotel’s rep than 1-star ones.

    • Roger1* says:

      I got a refund to my credit card for the resort fees on my points stay at the Palazzo next door, part of the same complex, on the basis that they hadn’t told me in advance.

      That was a couple of years ago. I don’t know if it would happen today.

      Hilton have a clear policy of no resort fees on reward stays. For me, that’s an unannounced benefit of buying points. 🙂

  • Alan says:

    I take it the fee was advertised when you booked? I’m at the IC NY Barclay at the start of next month, when I booked there was no such fee, but it is now showing up on my booking since they introduced one. I’ve got a PDF from my original booking and I most definitely won’t be paying it!

    • Rob says:

      It is on their site, yes, but if you use a 3rd party it may not be as clear.

      • Alex says:

        But if your transaction to book the hotel is with the UK website, could you turn to UK courts to get it removed?

        • Rob says:

          You can argue that they should have informed you, yes. It is very likely to be in the small print, it is more about how upfront it is whilst you are booking, especially if results are ranked by price.

    • Joe says:

      I was there a few weeks ago in the same situation, and they didn’t add the fee to the bill and I didn’t have to remind them not to, so hopefully you should be fine.

      • Alan says:

        Ah, cool – thanks, Joe. On AMB 241 cert, not expecting much as AMB from reviews I’ve read but location good and close to where some friends are staying.

    • Lady London says:

      I’ve been ambushed a couple of times in the US by a “resort fee” that was not advertised when booking and refused it based on the fact that I was not notified. Truthfully where I see these fees then I book elsewhere. I’ve never had to pay the resort fee when I’ve stated this. If I’d been made aware of it before booking then it would be a different story.

    • No chance says:

      Madness to consider paying it. As Rob has shown, everything is a rip-off at every juncture. How could that ever be an enjoyable relaxing break? Just avoid such nonsense hotels.

  • Philip says:

    St Regis made a complete horlicks of running the San Clemente Palace in Venice , likely because of their grasping approach , taken over by Kempinski now and its wonderful , being on its own Isalnd with free regular boat service its ideal for Venice in many ways .

  • Jack says:

    I wonder what it feels like to be American and arrive in the U.K and realise at the hotel the price is what you booked is what you pay and there is no mandatory tipping. Do you think we are daft or do they envy us?

    • Brighton Belle says:

      They are too busy laughing at the ludicrous exchange rate they’re getting and wondering if we’ll still be trading in April 2019

      • Paul says:

        My guess is around £1 worth $0.95 if we crash out. Mays deal will probably keep the status quo but dumping Brexit should see us back at $1.50 which is a fair rate.

        • aaaa says:

          deal? it’s not a ‘deal’, it’s a proposal; a half baked proposal that won’t (cannot) work.

        • swhostring says:

          been @ £1 = $2 three times in the last 30-odd years

        • xcalx says:

          “been @ £1 = $2 three times in the last 30-odd years”

          and once at near to $1 ~ £1 = $1.02 early 1986 and no Brexit to blame back then.

      • Chris says:

        Yawn. Even HfP comments isn’t safe from tedious Brexit ‘analysis’

        Roll on April. If only so we can stop fighting 2016’s battles.

        • Thomas Howard says:

          If I’ve learnt anything following politics it’s that our leaders are master can kickers. Unless the EU want to punish us to deter others I expect some kind of status quo fudge with more negotiating time. Journalists with a full head of hair will retire on this.

        • swhostring says:

          They’re not leaders in any real sense: they’re useless numpties.

          & yes: the faceless EU bureaucrats do actually want to punish UK for leaving. I’m a Remainer, a #2 referendum supporter. I want to stay in the EU. But the unelected EU officials are harsh, merciless monsters, we’re better off making a clean break & adopting WTO rules

    • Anna says:

      It depends – if they have to buy car fuel while they’re here it tends to wipe the smiles off their faces.

    • Mr dee says:

      Well they probably think everything is cheap when nobody tries to nickel and dime them and usually they will still tip well better than anyone local apparently.

      • Rob says:

        I have seen a Harrods doorman pocket a £20 tip for, erm, opening the door – in this case for the person who was coming out as I was going in.

        NY hotel doormen at top properties earn $100k, I read once. I was clearly clocked as I probably entered the St Regis 10 times and only once did a doorman open the door.

  • Bertster says:

    I’ll be very interested to read your review. King Cole Bar notwithstanding, I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the St Regis NY during a 5 night reward stay a couple of years ago. It was peasant enough, but in many ways it didn’t feel like being in New York (compared to some of the Westin properties in the city, for example) and yet as a St R it didn’t come anywhere near the level of quality, inclusive service as one of their European properties (eg Florence, Rome).

    I’m also pretty sure that the ridiculously priced lobster omelette wasn’t available as part of the platinum breakfast while we were there either, although the multi-coloured sautéed potatoes were a nice touch.

    • Rob says:

      No, the omelette is not included. My general sentiments match yours.

    • Nick_C says:

      “in many ways it didn’t feel like being in New York”

      Just what I was thinking from Rob’s article. Well done Rob for making sure you got every last nickel and dime from this ridiculous surcharge. But when I’m in NY, I want to feel I’m in NY. I hop on a bus and go to Andrew’s Coffee Shop for breakfast – one of the few remaining family run businesses in a city that increasingly feels like a theme park, and with Pret and Starbucks on every corner.

      • ABC says:

        Bus? In NY?
        You either walk or use subway on Manhattan. Busses are for the other boroughs.

        • Roger1* says:

          Nah, they can be very useful East-West crosstown, for example along 42nd Street.

          If you’ve been to Manhattan, you’ll know that subway lines are mainly North-South. 😉 And short subway journeys are for the birds.

        • Roger1* says:

          Hi, ABC.

          This – ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation’ – has been added to my comment, not by me and in no way intended to be a response to you!

        • ChrisC says:

          What a load of nonsense. I often use the buses in Manhattan when on holiday for short trips when it’s a little too far to walk and there are no subways close by.

          I buy an unlimited metro card so cost is not an issue.

          Stop with the anti bus snobbery.

        • Cat says:

          Roger1* – Oh good, glad it’s not just me! Was worried I’d made one or two too many comments after one or two too many!

        • Cat says:

          To be fair, I think we both deserve it, the real Shoestring, my old mucker!

      • Kipto says:

        +1

    • Hotel Reviews says:

      “It was peasant enough”

      I’d suggest this is perfectly apt.

    • the_real_a says:

      That has to be the best Freudian slip of the year 🙂

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