IHG loses control of 103 North American hotels to Sonesta

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• ChrisC says:

  27 Aug27 August 04:34

  Rob you’ve got the wrong Toronto Hotel IC in your pic.

  Your showing the Toronto IC Centre (Front Street West) when the SVC property is the (current) IC Yorkville on Bloor Street West.

  I stayed at the Kimpton Allegro in Chicago a few years back, was a nice hotel. They gave me a rubber duck in a welcome pack and there was a bottle of wine in the room. And free WiFi as well. Had booked it via Expedia and had no status with them.

  • Rob says:

    27 Aug27 August 05:32

    Thanks. I feared that would be the case.

    • Crafty says:

      27 Aug27 August 09:11

      The rubber duck?

    • ChrisC says:

      27 Aug27 August 09:17

      Well you sorted it out which is good!

• Mark says:

  27 Aug27 August 06:40

  A real shame, I visit Chicago usually at least once a year and have stayed at the Allegro twice and the Palomar once, both are really nice hotels. I’m glad that The Gray (another Kimpton in Chicago) is not owned by the same group as that’s one of my favourite places to redeem IHG points.

• Chrisasaurus says:

  27 Aug27 August 08:31

  This was mentioned here a while back wasn’t it? The thought at the time being there was an undercurrent and that the 13m wasn’t the issue.

  Doesn’t the operator have a large stake in the new brand?

  • ChrisC says:

    27 Aug27 August 09:16

    SVC (who own the actual properties) own a third of Sonesta.

  • TGLoyalty says:

    27 Aug27 August 12:45

    Someone at IHG has obviosuly decided it’s not worth the effort.

    Surprised if the Kimpton or Intercontinentals don’t get picked up by someone else. However, strong the think Sonesta (who) is

• Leo says:

  27 Aug27 August 09:50

  Interesting one – made an OB redemption with some small taxes paid cash. Had to cancel – which was easy to do – and got a voucher for pts + tax cash, to be used for future OB redemptions only.
  Thing is, pts would expire Dec 2020 but with voucher they are now till April 2022!

  • mr_jetlag says:

    27 Aug27 August 11:40

    Same here. Had points expiring 2019 in an OB booking that got vouchered – had I opted for a refund the same points would have evaporated.

• Alex Sm says:

  27 Aug27 August 11:36

  Ah, what timing! My partner and I just booked flights to Sweden to save the expiring OB points. But we will perhaps keep these anyways

  • Lady London says:

    27 Aug27 August 14:19

    you only have to book before expiry, its fine to change the date after that flexibly until the actual ticket expires.

    I struggled to use OB points as the amount required for longhaul is many times more than for shorthaul flights and not doing enough flying to get beyond shorthaul usage. So 2 years running i booked the most likely required route 355 days ahead then just brought the date forward when I had a need. This because you can change the date but not the route.

    Did not use a couple of the tickets and they just expired. Fine with that as the option value of not getting gouged for pricing if I had an emergency need to travel on my route was priceless to me.

    • Alex Sm says:

      28 Aug28 August 01:36

      we don’t have that many points so we use them for shorthaul normally as taxes are not crazy either

• Andy S says:

  27 Aug27 August 12:48

  Surprised to see LCY to Munich pushed back to late October., with Germany not being on the 14 day quarantine list.

  • Lady London says:

    27 Aug27 August 14:23

    I think 25 October is the start date of winter season so probably this is why that date keeps popping up as the projected start of things as many things must ‘renew’ then

    • Rhys says:

      27 Aug27 August 14:30

      This is correct

• Lady London says:

  27 Aug27 August 14:28

  Does anyone think there is more to this story on the IHG side? on the surface of it losing these hotels for the sake of a p1ddly $13 million (that can still be pursued) does not make sense. That, plus the ludicrous Accor aquuisition rumour. And IHG are financially smart.

  Has IHG discovered a black hole in its account? or is it controlled by interests or a family that would rather liquidate even at a discount now, either for family reasons or to invest in something else?

  • TGLoyalty says:

    27 Aug27 August 16:05

    Share price suggests the market thinks it’s in a great position back to near enough pre lockdown levels.

    Perhaps they reviewed the return from the hotelS and deemed losing £m a month For the foreseeable future wasn’t worth the potential future management fees they’d bring in?

    • Rob says:

      27 Aug27 August 17:19

      Apparently IHG has also lost a $100m deposit it made to secure the transaction – the debts being run up were huge. Since corona began this deal has cost it $120m+.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        27 Aug27 August 20:25

        One of those deals which seem like a great idea as 103 properties would never be affected all at once … there will be lessons learnt everywhere for this I imagine.

  • memesweeper says:

    28 Aug28 August 08:46

    > Has IHG discovered a black hole in its account?

    Perhaps they have a deeply pessimistic view of the long term future for business travel. That USD 13million needs to be continued for months and months to come. It would also set a precedent for negotiations with other hotel owners, you can be sure there’s plenty of that happening now.

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