Lufthansa selling miles with a 60% bonus via its odd ‘bundles’ – as low as 0.96p

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• Mikeact says:

  14 Sep14 September 06:25

  The very worst FFP scheme around ?

  • Justin says:

    14 Sep14 September 07:02

    I don’t think it is that bad a programme. It will depend on where you want to fly. I’ve used it mainly on EVA Air redemptions. The fees are not high as long as you are flying from EU or Asia. The main problem is there is no credit card. I did very well with the old card, especially combined with Curve 🙂 It’s more useful to me than Flying Blue, which seems to have stupidly expensive dynamic pricing redemptions now, or Flying Club, where the only worthwhile redemption is ANA.

    • QFFlyer says:

      16 Sep16 September 17:22

      While I didn’t have it, the old Diners Card would have been gold if it worked the way the Aussie one did with Curve…

  • The Original David says:

    14 Sep14 September 08:37

    Haha, you have led a very sheltered life if you think M&M is the very worst. Try Air China’s Phoenix Miles for a start.

    • Mikeact says:

      14 Sep14 September 08:49

      No way thanks…I know exactly what you mean, but I was obviously thinking closer to home

  • David Cohen says:

    14 Sep14 September 08:55

    At Senator, it’s not bad. Not great, but not bad. You can waitlist for premium awards, get access to first class on Swiss, you get 50% off a companion if travelling together.
    It’ll be interesting to see how the changes in terms of aligning more closely to the Exec Club for going to tier points pan out. I think they’ve gone on the high side, but for their core market in DACH, it’s probably about right.
    Still a shame there’s no UK credit card.

  • Bagoly says:

    14 Sep14 September 12:00

    Meilenschnäppchen are still available, if limited in number while number of aircraft is low post-Covid. Managed Seattle in J for 55k miles + EUR700 in June.
    And if you want to go to some of Turkish Airlines less mainstream destinations such as East Africa (including proper business class from UK) the fact that the ceiling is 500k M&Ms rather than 50k Miles&Smiles makes a big difference.

  • Peter says:

    14 Sep14 September 14:25

    To each his own. Vienna to Dubai and back for 90.000 miles and 200€ in economy last autumn was not that bad… and that was the price for 2 people 😀 Could have been worse.

• Greenpen says:

  14 Sep14 September 07:34

  This might be a really good offer if you need a substantial top up with your existing miles approaching the end of their life.

  Having collected miles towards a F flight using the LH MBNA credit card I was about twenty thousand short with that hard expiry date fast approaching. I had to buy miles through their hotel booking site (bonuses you pay for through a higher price) at about 1.5p per mile. This offer is much better and if you are happy to take the risk about securing F redemptions then makes sense.

• Save East Coast Rewards says:

  14 Sep14 September 10:35

  “miles expire after three years and you can’t do anything to save them, unless you earn M&M elite status”

  Not strictly true, you could move to a country that still has a M&M credit card 😁

  • Jonathan says:

    14 Sep14 September 12:42

    Easier said than done !

    I think many months ago another reader mentioned something about being able to obtain a Swiss co-branded cc that’d stop points from expiring, anyone got any info on this at all ? It was mentioned however that ID checks are a bit frustrating though…

    • meta says:

      14 Sep14 September 22:44

      Plenty of peope with dual or multiple nationalities and/or residencies. Earning rates on some of these cards are very very poor, but at least they keep the miles alive if you spend once monthly.

      • Jonathan says:

        15 Sep15 September 09:02

        Yeah it’s not ideal, especially if your card offers little incentive to use it as your everyday card when earning rates are poor compared to competitor cards.
        Using a card once a month purely to stop points expiry is unfortunately the only good use some of their cards have !

• Albo says:

  15 Sep15 September 06:35

  Does anyone know a creative way to convert Amex points into M&M points now that they’ve closed the Marriot Bonvoy option?

  • Jonathan says:

    15 Sep15 September 09:16

    There’s no option at all to earn M&M points via UK credit card spending.

    The Marriott route was forced to be shut down after someone in Germany begin legal proceedings to get cash for their balance of points claiming them to be a form of e-currency, as Marriott sold points directly and then allows (until it was stopped in light of the case) transfers to M&M, this makes M&M points a form of e-currency, and the person who began legal proceedings believes that they have a right to get cash for their balance of points.
    No one has any idea how this ongoing legal dispute is going on with the case, and things first kicked off in 2019, meaning that Covid definitely slowed the German legal system down to say the least.
    It’ll be good when it’s out of the way, as then M&M could potentially look at more partnerships from then on, for now though, a lot of doors are firmly shut

    • Londonsteve says:

      15 Sep15 September 14:24

      Germans are very good at launching awkward legal claims with an almost psychopathic determination to prove a nuanced point, in this case not even gaining very much. Reminds me too of the UK ebay vendor who had to pay a pile of damages to the German bidder for a professional reel-to-reel recorder. Having terminated the auction early with a view to not selling it, the German bidder claimed he was entitled to buy it for whatever price the auction was at, on the basis the vendor wasn’t entitled to terminate the auction early having started it. The German claimant won and cost the UK vendor about £10k in damaged.

      • Rob says:

        15 Sep15 September 14:28

        Indeed. Most Germans buy personal liability insurance because of the propensity of other Germans to sue you at any possible opportunity.

        • Jek says:

          16 Sep16 September 21:37

          Not true. Private PLI is there to cover damages caused to others. For example, dropping a glas of red wine at a friend’s house on an expensive rug. I dropped it, it’s my fault, my PLI pays for it, and I pay a higher premium. No problem. I still don’t understand the British approach. I dropped it, it’s my fault, the owner’s content insurance pays for it, and they pay a higher premium.

      • Jonathan says:

        15 Sep15 September 19:01

        Very unfortunate, if you think you might end the auction early, then you should state on the listing that you’re within your rights to do so.

        eBay don’t help themselves by deterring people from selling on their platform by treating host sellers like crooks when buyers decide to be dickheads

        • Jonathan says:

          15 Sep15 September 19:06

          *honest sellers (not host sellers)

• Jonathan says:

  15 Sep15 September 18:57

  Germans are worse than Americans with suing people ?!?
  I didn’t think anyone would ever do the Americans…

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