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Should the BAPP Amex let you earn tier points permanently, perhaps instead of Avios?

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The news yesterday that British Airways will start offering Executive Club tier points for British Airways Premium Plus American Express spend generated a huge amount of feedback. Our article had over 350 comments by the end of the day.

As I said yesterday, I feel that it’s the right idea but wrongly executed, although a fair attempt at a first stab.

Let’s look into this in more detail.

Should the BAPP Amex let you earn tier points permanently, perhaps instead of Avios?

I had four issues with the offer. You need to understand that my key starting points when looking at any loyalty deal are whether it is easy to understand and how it plays on human psychology.

The spend threshold starts too high

You need to spend £15,000 within six months to start to benefit from this offer. This is too high and will simply lead to too many people tuning out.

It would make more sense to start earning tier points at £5,000 of qualifying spend for 50 tier points. Most people would earn something this way, and once a member had a handful of tier points it would – psychologically – encourage them to look into ways of earning more.

Remember that it costs BA NOTHING to give out tier points if the member does not go on to earn or retain status. It’s a different dynamic to Avios, where giving someone a handful of Avios which are never used requires IAG Loyalty to accrue for them on its balance sheet for three years.

The number of tier points should be uncapped

You can’t be half pregnant. If you’re going to give out tier points based on card spend, you should allow people to earn status entirely on card spend.

If someone wants to spend £60,000 to earn a British Airways Executive Club Silver card from scratch, assuming they also fly four segments, they should be able to (and the same for spending £150,000 to earn Gold).

Anyone who isn’t flying enough to earn status is unlikely to be flying enough to cost British Airways a fortune in lounge access etc. Some people who gained status via this route would also move travel to BA from other airlines to benefit from it.

Running a six month offer only benefits people with certain membership year end dates

Another issue with this trial is that, even if you were keen to take part, you may find that the way your year end falls counts you out. If you could spend a consistent £5,000 per month on your BA Premium Plus American Express card but your BA year end is 8th March, you’d trigger 100 tier points in your current 2023/24 year (which may be wasted) and 100 in the following 2024/25 year.

Should the BAPP Amex let you earn tier points permanently, perhaps instead of Avios?

There are issues for people who have stopping using a BA Amex because they have spent £9,999

Some people have spent £9,999 on their cards and are holding off spending more so they don’t trigger their annual 2-4-1 companion voucher unnecessarily early – although I published the obvious solution for that problem here.

I spent nothing on my BA card between February 2023 (when I was above £9,500) and the last week of October 2023 because I wanted to ensure the 2-4-1 voucher would be valid for October half term in 2025.

If BA is going to give out tier points on card spend, it ALSO needs to address the issue of people deliberately holding off using their card to avoid triggering their voucher early.

An idea: should British Airways offer Avios OR tier points?

Ever since interchange fee caps cut the money that credit card companies have to fund travel rewards, I have been pushing the idea of giving out elite status instead of miles.

(Iberia has been offering the equivalent of British Airways Bronze status with one of its credit cards for some years now – all you need to do is pay a €100 annual card fee. IAG isn’t against the concept of ‘selling’ status.)

What would happen if you were given a choice with your British Airways Premium Plus American Express?

  • earn 1.5 Avios per £1 (as you do now) or
  • earn 0.75 Avios per £1 and receive 1 tier point per £100 spent?

Why would BA do this? Because it makes financial sense – and financial sense is something that BA understands.

The airline targets a 10% operating profit margin from flying, although it is currently doing better. Bear this in mind.

Let’s assume that BA started to offer the two options above and I chose the second – 0.75 Avios per £1 and 1 tier point per £100 spent on my Premium Plus card.

Should the BAPP Amex let you earn tier points permanently, perhaps instead of Avios?

To earn British Airways Executive Club Silver status at 600 tier points would require £60,000 of credit card spend. I’d also receive (60,000 x 0.75) 45,000 Avios, instead of the 90,000 Avios I’d get at the standard rate of 1.5 Avios per £1.

Let’s assume Amex pays BA the same amount of money either way. Instead of paying BA around £750 for issuing 90,000 Avios, it pays BA £750 for issuing 45,000 Avios and giving me a Silver card.

Basically, BA will have been paid £375 for giving me a Silver card.

Because the airline targets a 10% profit margin on flights, BA makes the same profit on this as if I’d spent £3,750 on flying.

This is a big win for the airline.

Let’s assume I try to earn Silver from scratch by flying. A good ‘tier point run’ would cost around £2 per tier point. You can beat this – Heathrow to Sofia in Club Europe is currently as low as £210 return in March / April / May for 160 tier points, and you’d get another 80 tier points with a connection by starting outside London. Stay five nights in Sofia, book via BA Holidays, and you’d earn double tier points.

At £2 per tier point, I could earn Silver by spending (600 tier points x £2 per tier point) £1,200 on flights. BA would make £120 of profit this way based on a 10% margin. Instead, it would be getting £375 of profit by letting Amex buy me a Silver card.

Even someone with no real idea of what makes a good tier point run should be able to pick up a Silver card by spending far less than £3,750, generating less than £375 of profit for BA.

‘Selling’ status this way is actually good business sense for the airline.

This offer isn’t for you? That’s fine

Clearly this offer wouldn’t be for everyone. That’s fine.

BA doesn’t want it to be for everyone due to lounge capacity etc. After all, when everyone’s a princess, no-one’s a princess (a lesson I learned from reading ‘Olivia and the Fairy Princess‘ to my daughter when she was five – I can sense the blank looks from readers who don’t have a young daughter ….)

There are so many British Airways Premium Plus American Express cardholders – I am guessing 100k-ish – that BA would only want a couple of percent to earn status purely via card spend.

The extra revenue generated from this couple of percent of cardholders who went for it, gung ho, would be worthwhile for both American Express and BA, however.


How to earn Avios from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (April 2025)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

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There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

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British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending £15,000 Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points. These points convert at 1:1 into Avios.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

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The Platinum Card from American Express

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There is also a British Airways American Express card for small businesses:

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There are also generous bonuses on the two American Express Business cards, with the points converting at 1:1 into Avios. These cards are open to sole traders as well as limited companies.

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Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

Comments (118)

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  • Can2 says:

    I really like the analysis even though I don’t personally agree with some details. For instance earning 0.75 Avios per £ and 1TP per £100 overly complicated things. Instead, why not trade Avios in your pot for TP? Let everyone earn Avios the same way and sell TP on the BAEC shop. Or similar to Avios subscription, start a TP subscription.

  • Paul says:

    Aside from not having £15k to blow I have 3 reasons why this not for me.
    1. As you say pretty useless if you year end is April as mine is.
    2. BAPP stays in a drawer given the lack of flexibility on when it is issued. If BA allowed you to select date of issue once £10k threshold reached, it would probably be my one and only Amex. Till then spend is capped at £10,001 per annum! They have never ran a campaign good enough for me to break this rule.
    3. Since my grandfathered rights to a free card were removed by Amex, it is my wife who holds the main BAPP. This is churned every two years and once voucher triggered will be cancelled. I’ll reapply 2026 when both she and I will get referral bonuses as I’ll retain Platinum. I find platinum a bit better thanks to the offers and insurance. They are also more generous with retention MR points which offer a wider range of airlines

  • zapato1060 says:

    “Our article had over 350 comments by the end of the day.”

    What was the most commented post ever?

    • illuminatus says:

      From recent memory – about Curve and Amex, with over 1K comments

    • Rui N. says:

      Not even close

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      A fair few of those were people asking why they couldn’t see the offer in the app when the article said you had to register on the web!

      So maybe a lot of quantity but not always higher quality posts.

  • Richie says:

    Topping up TPs by flying to just exceed the threshold required to maintain status really is very easy.

  • pappap647 says:

    I would love this idea, I am a avios rich (1.5m between me and my OH) and TP poor (bronze for now).

  • NigelthePensioner says:

    What has not been addressed is the slow but sure devaluation of Avios. Collecting 45,000 Avios in a year’s spend on a card costing ??£250 a year anyway plus some tier points is all very well, but where will 45000 Avios take you? Nowhere worthwhile.
    The earning of Avios with BA is now atrocious and even though we are both gold til Oct 25, with our bookings, I can foresee our large stash of Avios disappearing through the devaluation and inflation of redemptions and earning. Earning Avios outside of BA relies on Amex point transfers and a couple of Avios specific credit cards. So its getting more and more difficult to stash enough Avios for Club or F rewards – even using a 241.
    We have a colossal number of AmEx points available and more than enough Virgin points for 2 long haul UC. So Virgin will start to get back some of our business ……. If only they did Malaysia and select other Eastern destinations…..
    I kind of like the idea above of “buying” tier points with Avios, BUT one has to be careful not to spend all your Avios on Tier points and then find you have no Avios to enjoy the Gold status that you now have!!

    • Rob says:

      There is no inflation on redeeming. New York has been 120k in Club plus full taxes for 7-8 years now. You may CHOOSE to pay 180k for the RFs £350 taxes rate but that’s up to you.

      Surcharges have gone up, yes, but not base Avios needed.

      Meanwhile, BA has chucked out the crappy old seat and brought in private suites plus (slightly) improved food. Overall it’s a far better package than it was.

      Meanwhile for the last year Qatar has offered you Oz in Qsuite for 180k Avios return vs 250-300k on BA. I don’t see any devaluation there.

      • MT says:

        I agree fully, to be Avios has increased in value recently with the options and what it gets you.

      • T says:

        Not sure how this can’t be considered inflation when the real money cost has gone up and one needs to spend more points if one wants to obtain the same perceived return. I’m always looking for the best “return’ so I am considering both components. Particularly where the cash cost of the flight is not significantly different from the taxes and charges. Qatar to ausbut availability is far more limited then on launch.

        • Rob says:

          Qatar availability was excellent last week after their seat drop, even for Australia. Note also that because of their married segment rules you’ll see a lot more Qatar availability from airports other than Heathrow – because you’d pay more for cash booking Heathrow to Sydney compared to Copenhagen to Sydney, Qatar’s logic is that fewer Avios seats should be made available on the former vs the latter.

          Given the cash cost of flights for the last 18 months I struggle to take any discussion about devaluation seriously to be honest.

          • T says:

            The current cost of flights is a whole other kettle of fish.
            If you throw in airline price gouging then I agree. Thank goodness in this case for non revenue based redemptions!

            Non Heathrow to Australia is not an option for me. Extending an already long journey is not on the cards for me. Did an 8hr layover imposed by Qatar earlier this year and it was miserable. Despite access to the first lounge and the new business lounge.

  • Stu_N says:

    “There are issues for people who have stopping using a BA Amex because they have spent £9,999“

    Isn’t this part of the point – incentivise people who would otherwise not use the card? We just trigger voucher whenever it happens as can always use them for something….

    • meta says:

      It’s not a big enough of an incentive. You could spend £5000 and get 7500 Avios + 100 TPs or sign up for Barclaycard and get 25k Avios sign up bonus for 3k spend. If you have one already work you’re half way towards the Barclaycard voucher.

      Most people would also go for player 2 Amex 241 voucher as that’s a bigger prize.

    • jjoohhnn says:

      Yes I was thinking that Rob was missing the point here. BA probably had an aim of “how can we get people to keep spending, and not hold off just shy of £10K” which this looks to address to some degree. Now people have to make a choice about it..

      • Rob says:

        If that’s the plan, it’s not a good one. Most people place more value on delaying their voucher than earning a few extra TP.

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    How about an other option?

    Trade your voucher in for a pre set number of TP?

    Not enough to get you silver without flying at least some flights.

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