Government brings back 100ml liquids rule at airports with new security scanners

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• Giuseppe says:

  8 Jun8 June 08:03

  This is so dumb. Are all the other European countries crazy then? To allow liquids >100ml with the new scanners? I don’t think so

  • TGLoyalty says:

    8 Jun8 June 08:52

    I’m assuming it’s not the scanners themselves but the software it comes with which might be be bespoke to U.K. DfT or in some way new globally and it’s quite right.

    Everyone with over 100ml being sent to secondary is ridiculous so can’t continue.

    • Paul says:

      8 Jun8 June 09:02

      Bespoke – Infosys perhaps? Competence even?
      A single European standard is required to rid is both if 100ml and transfer security. But one can dream

      • riku says:

        8 Jun8 June 12:30

        going through security for transfer is purely a UK decision. The USA has a similar rule. Both countries only accept their own security clearance. If you are transferring at an EU airport then they accept EU and UK security with no need to transfer security again (at most well designed airports anyway).

  • Paul says:

    8 Jun8 June 08:59

    @giuseppe
    When I passed through AMS last year I was struck by how well designed the transfer hall equipments was. It looked modern, clean and really good looking. Consequently it gives an immediate sense of efficiency and competence. – while this is not always the case compare that to many chaotic badly designed security halls. Many in the USA spring to mind, but equally Heathrow, Edinburgh or Glasgow. There is nothing attractive about the facilities and certainly nothing that provides a sense of competence or efficiency. Are Europeans crazy, no I don’t think so but neither do I think they have trumpeted theses changes as the U.K. did. I might be wrong and will no doubt be told here very soon.
    If I could change one aspect about flying today it would be to have a single European standard and rid us of the need for transit security ….. but I was always a dreamer

    • TGLoyalty says:

      8 Jun8 June 10:37

      AMS has been an absolute shit show when I’ve tried to use it on 5/6 occasions in the past 5/6 years but admittedly not in the past year. I will in November.

      • Novice says:

        8 Jun8 June 11:15

        I agree with TGLoyalty. Last time I used AMS it was such a bad experience that I swore off any connection through there.

    • Derek Scott says:

      8 Jun8 June 21:29

      The problem is by the time a security hall is designed and built it’s already out of date.

      Security halls need to be functional rather than attractive. What’s the point in style if you want in and out as quickly as possible? As long as it’s effective and designed with throughput in mind.. and that’s hundreds per half hour at peak 6-9am slot

      I challenge the slant of lack of competence. UK screening is at such a high standard that arriving aircraft from non-EU countries have added security checked once the aircraft fully disembarked as standards overseas as not considered as stringent.

      There already is a single European standard and each country then applies it to respective borders by DoT.

      I feel EDI flows very well and has high scoring satisfaction scores. EDI has 6 loading bays per lane compare to LHR and the one lane that’s the “slow lane” is the Family lane!

      Warning, if it’s relevant… don’t take baby food through that contains banana… high potassium levels trigger the special food scanners and slows the process down

  • HampshireHog says:

    8 Jun8 June 09:23

    Just a thought, Fujitsu not the software supplier?

  • HampshireHog says:

    8 Jun8 June 09:24

    But we shan’t be part of any European standard as we’ve gained our freedom!

    • Paul says:

      8 Jun8 June 15:59

      Thank explains everything as the rest has gone so well too

• Amy says:

  8 Jun8 June 08:30

  Went through the new scanners at T3 fast track this week for the 1st time. Nice to be able to leave to liquids in bag. The pain point for me was always having to cram into the small plastic bags rather than the 100ml limit. Hopefully that bit will go away?

• Paul says:

  8 Jun8 June 08:34

  I think security at our airports is very good and the staff do a commendable job in difficult circumstances.
  The simple fact is this – that the desire to rid ourselves of the 100ml rules became a political matter with a strong desire to be “world beating”
  The DoT changing things in the midst of an election campaign to “enable further improvements” simply says to me that its doesn’t work and they take this opportunity to reverse it.
  Don’t get me wrong I’d love not to fill little bottles and buy miniatures of toiletries for a weekend away, but after almost 20 years of travelling like this, is it really the most important issue travellers face?

  • Bagoly says:

    8 Jun8 June 13:12

    Presumably this change was driven by civil servants – ministers during a general election more or less having to do what the civil servants recommend?
    So better disinterested decision-maker?
    Or stick-in-the-mud?

• HampshireHog says:

  8 Jun8 June 09:11

  What a typical display of British amateurism, lack of openness and official incompetence. Presumably there no total limit of one litre?

• Antony Savvas says:

  8 Jun8 June 09:47

  What a country. We’re hearing from voters that ‘nothing works’, and it doesn’t. Flying to SFO from Newcastle via London tomoz and thought I’d take my own full size shampoo and shower gel to my Element hotel in Santa Clara for the week on business, instead of relying on their lower grade product, and leave what I don’t use, and now this, after all the fantastic efforts Newcastle Airport has made to upgrade every scanning line there. I only check in luggage when travelling on holiday with the wife.

  • TGLoyalty says:

    8 Jun8 June 10:38

    But some Dove for $5 when you’re out there.

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    8 Jun8 June 19:53

    Buy some mini bottles from Primark / Poundland / tiger.

    What did you do before when it was the long-standing 100ml rules?

    Likely decanted into a smaller bottle?

    Go back to doing that.

• VinZ says:

  8 Jun8 June 11:24

  What a bloody joke.

• John says:

  8 Jun8 June 12:02

  It’s rea;;y simple. Heathrow and other major airports missed the 2022 deadline and were given an extension. They then made clear they were going to miss the 2024 deadline…. Profit being far more important than complying with a security directive.

  Net result TOTAL confusion among the travelling public as security rules would vary by airport (& in some cases which queue you join. To end the chaos that would almost certainly result, it’s been decided to simply roll the clock back for the airports who bothered to invest in a timely manner, so the big boys aren’t shown up.

  • can2 says:

    8 Jun8 June 12:49

    That bums me too
    How come they can just not make the deadline and not get fined?

    • JDB says:

      8 Jun8 June 17:45

      I don’t understand how various people just randomly criticise the airports, government, UK in general without knowing any of the facts. As @BAFlyerIHGStayer says, there were entirely valid reasons so the airports couldn’t possibly have been fined. The UK has more stringent security standards than some other countries which isn’t a bad thing.

      • HampshireHog says:

        8 Jun8 June 19:32

        We are criticising the useless, back covering public administration in this country which many of us with a footin the gov.uk camp have known for years. Covid, blood products and the Post Office mean that Joe and Jane Public now know what I know

        • JDB says:

          8 Jun8 June 19:48

          @HampshireHog – thank you for confirming you know zippo about the security scanner situation so justify the mindless criticisms based on other entirely unconnected errors when what has happened here isn’t even an error.

          Governments and public administrations of all countries make monumental errors and suffer from cronyism and cover ups. That will never change.

          However, it’s wearisome to see such constant negativity or glass half empty attitude. A more balanced approach and analysis would sound rational rather than ranting and be better for mental health.

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    8 Jun8 June 17:18

    Airports did bother to invest in time but the Dept for Transport didn’t settle on the detailed regulations for a long time so that the manufacturers weren’t sure what standard they should be following.

    Once the DfT did decide that it was all guns blazing but that also caused delivery and installation delays.

    But airports can’t install machines that haven’t been made can they?

    And it’s really unfair to compare installing 100+ scanners across multi site LHR to installing 2 at LCY or MME.

  • HampshireHog says:

    9 Jun9 June 11:00

    @JDB, I could add for your kind consideration, aircraft carriers, HS2, brexit, privatisation of public utilities and the railways. All botched.

• AL says:

  8 Jun8 June 12:40

  Is this DfT or DOT? I’d expect to see this from the former, not the latter, although the latter definitely have influence.

  • Scott says:

    8 Jun8 June 17:33

    The signs in security at MAN today say DfT.

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