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LAST CHANCE: Book Virgin Atlantic redemptions before dynamic pricing starts

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You are running out of time to book Virgin Atlantic flight redemptions with Virgin Points before the new pricing structure launches on Wednesday.

If you need more convincing to move quickly, I should point out Virgin Atlantic has not provided examples of the new pricing to us despite offering to do so.

Meanwhile, according to our forum but 100% unverified, the Virgin Atlantic call centre is apparently briefing that Upper Class flights to the US will be priced at 350,000 points each way on super-peak dates. This is up from the current maximum of 57,500 Virgin Points.

350,000 Virgin Points each-way (700,000 points return) would not be out of line, unfortunately.

Delta Air Lines, Virgin’s joint owner, charges 375,000 miles for a one-way transatlantic flight in Virgin Atlantic Upper Class at peak times:

Now, to be fair to Virgin Atlantic, it will be releasing all seats on all flights for points redemption from Wednesday.

The majority of those New York seats at 350,000 Virgin Points each way would never have been released for redemption in the first place. You can argue that you’re not really losing anything.

However, SOME of them would have been.

At present, Virgin Atlantic guarantees to release 12 seats per flight (two Upper, two Premium, eight Economy) for redemption.

This guarantee is scrapped from Wednesday.

If Virgin Atlantic had retained the 12 seat guarantee, dynamic pricing would have been a storm in a tea cup.

Members would genuinely have been no worse off. The previous 12 seats would have been bookable at standard rates and other seats, previously unbookable, would have been available at a crazy price you wouldn’t want to book anyway.

The real issue here is removing the guaranteed seat availability under the cover of moving to dynamic pricing.

Virgin Flying Club Gold and Silver status

There will be ‘Saver seats’

The 12 guaranteed seats will be replaced by ‘Saver seats’.

Whilst these will also be dynamically priced, they will be offered “at or below today’s prices.”

It’s hard to know how this compares to the current offering without a pricing chart but Virgin Atlantic says flights to New York will be available from as few as 6,000 points. One-way standard season economy tickets are currently 10,000 points although there are regular seat sales.

Saver pricing will be available in all classes, but there is no guaranteed minimum number of Saver seats per flight.

What this means is that on popular flights, such as during school holidays, you should expect to pay very high points prices and see no Saver seats. Quieter flights will be correspondingly cheaper for points, should you wish to visit New York in January.

Virgin Atlantic could theoretically never release Saver seats on its most popular routes, forcing you to redeem (if you have a seven figure balance) for higher-cost, dynamically priced seats.

Changes to credit card vouchers

It’s worth a reminder of what will happen to your existing Virgin Atlantic credit card vouchers on Wednesday.

You can continue to use a voucher for a companion or to upgrade but it will now be redeemable on any seat in any cabin, in line with the move to universal redemptions.

A new fixed points cap will apply to vouchers to accommodate the new dynamic pricing being introduced:

  • Flying Club Red members can redeem their voucher up to a maximum of 75,000 points
  • Flying Club Silver or Gold members can redeem their voucher up to a maximum of 150,000 points

The value of your voucher will be calculated by your status at the time of redemption, not when you fly.

Here’s an example. A standard Upper Class redemption to New York is currently 95,000 points, return. If you are Flying Club Silver or Gold, you have no problem using your voucher to unlock a ‘free’ Saver companion ticket, as it’s below the maximum 150,000 points threshold.

A Flying Club Red member would be 20,000 points short, as the voucher only covers a maximum of 75,000 points. However ….

You will still be able to use your voucher even if it doesn’t cover the full amount of the companion ticket or upgrade, as Virgin Atlantic will let you top it up. In other words:

  • Flying Club Silver/Gold members would pay 95,000 points + taxes for two Upper Class tickets to New York
  • Flying Club Red members would pay 115,000 points + taxes for two: 95,000 points for the first ticket, plus the voucher (worth 75,000 points) and the difference of 20,000 points

This is not hugely different from the old system where Flying Club Red members could only redeem 50% of the points required for the second Upper Class ticket, although it does make cheaper Upper Class redemptions more attractive.

You cannot use a credit card voucher for a straight 75,000 or 150,000 points discount on a ticket for yourself. It must be for a companion with your ticket purchased at the full points or cash price. It will be possibe for a solo traveller to upgrade a cash ticket with their voucher by one cabin.

Conclusion

Virgin Atlantic has, despite previous commitments, failed to provide us with indicative pricing for reward flights from Wednesday, even though it appears to have been provided to call centre staff.

Given that you can cancel a Virgin Atlantic redemption for £30 per person, you would be crazy not to lock in a planned redemption now.

There is still time, as transfers are immediate, to move American Express Membership Rewards points over with the current 30% bonus.

You can also buy Virgin Points with a bonus of up to 70% – click here to buy.

If your flight turns out to be cheaper from Wednesday, you can cancel and rebook.

Indeed, I suspect there will be a lot of cancelling and rebooking after Wednesday. In theory, once a flight becomes 3,000 points cheaper due to dynamic pricing, it makes sense to call up and rebook it …. (EDIT: It appears that cancellation fees are rising to £70 per person to reduce the number of people who do this.)

What I still don’t understand from this whole process is who Virgin Atlantic is aiming at.

There are tens of thousands of people in the US with a seven figure Delta SkyMiles balance – you can earn 1 million miles in a month if you go on a credit card application spree – so crazy redemption prices will have some takers. If you think this is an exaggeration, remember that a keen points collector in the US will have around 30 airline and hotel credit cards. (Google ‘I have 30 credit cards’ and read the US articles that appear if you don’t believe me.)

Realistically, how many people in the UK are sitting on 1m+ Virgin Points?

Even if you fly to New York every two months as a Gold member on a £10,000 fully flexible ticket, you have only been earning 250,000 Virgin Points per year.

You have to assume that UK members are taking the fall for US members who have racked up seven figure balances in a matter of months, virtually for free, via credit card bonuses.


How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards

How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards (April 2025)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Virgin Points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses.

You can choose from two official Virgin Atlantic credit cards (apply here, the Reward+ card has a bonus of 18,000 Virgin Points and the free card has a bonus of 3,000 Virgin Points):

Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

18,000 bonus points and 1.5 points for every £1 you spend Read our full review

Virgin Atlantic Reward Mastercard

3,000 bonus points, no fee and 1 point for every £1 you spend Read our full review

You can also earn Virgin Points from various American Express cards – and these have sign-up bonuses too.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold is FREE for a year and comes with 20,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 20,000 Virgin Points.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 30,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express comes with 50,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 50,000 Virgin Points.

The Platinum Card from American Express

80,000 bonus points and great travel benefits – for a large fee Read our full review

Small business owners should consider the two American Express Business cards. Points convert at 1:1 into Virgin Points.

American Express Business Platinum

50,000 points when you sign-up and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Virgin Points

Comments (209)

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  • Oliver Dickinson says:

    I also think they are focusing more on brand and customer loyalty and retention.

    Scenario:

    Me and my mate sign up to Virgin flying club. Never flown with them before.
    We want to go to Florida, UC cash booking return is £5,500 for the dates we want.

    Virgin flying club has a sale on, 70% more points.
    I do some research, and if I buy a full reward seats in UC at 95,000 points return, I can then buy a standard companion ticket at 50% reduced point cost. Total points needed is 142,500.
    On sale that costs: £1,350. Then add 2k taxes, the total comes to 3,350 GBP.
    Where cash rate is 5,500 GBP, saving over £2,000!
    I have no loyalty to Virgin, but I’m winning and they’re losing out on over £2k!

    So, I also think they are trying to improve customer loyalty and retention with this.
    I actually did my university thesis a few years ago on loyalty programmes and a lot of people whilst do have their favourite brands will shop around for the best price. Whereas you will still have some people (minority) who will choose that brand time and time again even at a higher price. But with some much completion, Virgin cannot possibly out price themselves.

    • LittleNick says:

      What stuff are you smoking if you think that you’ll get a reward return for 95k points with the new system bar the saver seats which I suspect will be very few and far between? You’ll be lucky to get half a one-way journey with 95k.
      2) You won’t get a companion ticket with a voucher for 47.5k points, this might be the current system but this is going come Wednesday. Your analysis works with the points requirements now but in most cases will not come 30th. This is a massive devaluation, plain and simple, that’s the risk we all take with the points game, it sucks but we all choose to game and get outsize value. All good things must come to an end.

      • Oliver Dickinson says:

        Yes, I was talking about the the current situation as of now… not from 30th October..

        I really don’t think even if you don’t get saver seats, that it’s going to be 150k points instead of 95k one way in UC…

        Unless they really don’t want people spending points.

        Everyone is also forgetting that Virgin has not made a profit since before the pandemic, has place multi billion £ order for the Neos… surely they are not going to risk losing customers and loyal flying members…

        • meta says:

          Outside these platforms, nobody cares about miles and points.

          • Oliver Dickinson says:

            I’m not normally one for commenting. But what is frustrating is Virgin releasing basic details, and providing no further information since the announcement. Which is shocking.

            But also; I have 3 trips planned, and now with these posts saying it’s going to be 300k points return each way.. that has kinda scuppers my plans

          • Rob says:

            They won’t be 300k each way unless you book at the last minute. Don’t worry about that.

            However, I suspect 150k each way (vs 50-65k today) will be the starting point for non-Saver rewards in Upper, and non-Saver rewards are all you will get on probably a majority of flights in Upper.

        • Oliver Dickinson says:

          Well I have 525,000 miles (points booster, accrued and bought with this promo)… if worse comes to worse I’ll either buy premium and see how much it is to upgrade using points or just do money and points.. I thought I’d just make it for at least 2 round trips in UC for 2 adults.
          Or I’ll transfer to hotel partner like IHG that Virgin offer 1:1…

    • r* says:

      Oliver Dickinson woke up this morning and decided that they would find a subject to be totally wrong about and then double down on that position in the face of all argument lol.

      • meta says:

        They also bought points without the intention of using them straight away before devaluation.

        • Oliver Dickinson says:

          No, actually in this sale only bought a top up of points of 50,000. Worked out cheaper to do that instead of boosting my LHR-LAX return flights , thank you very much.

      • BBbetter says:

        The best part was “I actually did my university thesis“.
        Looks like a thesis done with no knowledge of something called devaluation.

        • Oliver Dickinson says:

          Don’t twist words please, that comment was to do with brand loyalty and customer retention and not devaluation of points. You’d make a great politician or journalist , twisting words to fit your own narrative

      • Oliver Dickinson says:

        Not really at all, I’m expressing my opinion on the matter. No need to take things personal. But let’s see tomorrow if I’ll be able to purchase a ticket at a lesser cost of 150k points, as HFP is saying.

  • Iamsmurphslaw says:

    Thanks for confirming Rob.
    Just Red, so just wanted to check I was given the right deal.

  • HampshireHog says:

    If I have the return half of a voucher left to use I wonder what happens?

    • r* says:

      Assuming you arent able to book the other half today, I’d think the most likely thing will be deduct the points already redeemed from the outbound from either 75 or 150k depending on status, then deduct the points cost of whatever the return ends up being and whatever is left over would be payable as extra points.

  • Oliver Dickinson says:

    Don’t think it’s going to shoot up from 47,500 / 67,500 and triple to 150k each way.
    As discussed by others, unless you’re in the minority with 7 figure point balance, no one will be able to book reward seats.

    I am not saying this dynamic pricing is not a devaluation of points , it is.
    But just because AF/KLM/Delta have RS seats at 300k or higher , doesn’t mean Virgin will…
    People also forgetting, AF/KLM/Delta have a large aircraft base with regional, national, and international flights… they can offer stupidly high rates as more people have high point balance.

    I have done a small search at UC reward seats today, probably doesn’t mean too much, but for LHR-LAX, LHR-MCO,l for Sept 2025? and the rates are showing for the next few days (obviously cannot book as not 331 days)… that means they already added availability in the system. Same
    Points same taxes.

    You also mention they confirmed 25% will not have a single saver seat within 331 days. Okay, but 75% will…
    For example, Orlando route very popular, they might not offer it, but on Miami or Tampa they do…

    I think if you book in advance, like many people do now to grab those 2 guaranteed UC seats, it will be fine.

    • NorskSaint says:

      One only has to look at SAS who have dynamic pricing in place. Have a high six figure account balance and can’t use them because most of the time their equivalent of saver seats are non existent. Was trying to book BOO-LHR in Jan and unless I wanted to fly on a Tuesday with a 7hr layover in OSL everything else was 3 to 4 times more expensive.. so the 15k saver seats aren’t available but in dynamic pricing world I could pay 80k per seat instead – that’s how it will be in the new VS world.

      Annoyingly they wont even release them at 350 days out so you can end up booking a flight and then 3 months later when RevMan decide the load isn’t high enough turn on saver seats… too late.

      • Oliver Dickinson says:

        At the end of the day, until tomorrow, no one apart from Virgin, actually knows the rate changes etc.

        Everyone has jumped the gun here

        • Rob says:

          You really need to separate out the two issues here.

          At the moment, you can’t redeem for seats on many flights. Tomorrow you can book those seats but for a stupid price. Nothing changes. It’s like complaining that you can’t buy Feastibles in the UK but then your local corner shop gets some in but is charging £15 per bar. You still won’t be getting one.

          The only thing that changes is that there are no longer guaranteed seats and availability you’ll actually be able to afford shrinks massively.

          • Oliver says:

            Whilst I do appreciate this; the other option would be to money plus points.
            I found flights next year as a test around £3,750, return for 2 in UC. Minus 190,000 points (what 2 reward seats off peak cost now), I’d be paying the same as I would around £2k (taxes currently 2k on return UC for 2 adults)…

            Whilst I understand more points will be needed and there may be flights that have redemptions for 150k++ one way, I am certain if you book in advance , and not last minute, they point price shouldn’t be explosive … that was my point.

            I wasn’t denying that there won’t be an increase etc, but if all standard reward seats start at 150k, it’s not going to work out well for them.. or for us. But then like I said, you’d Just take advantage of money plus points option

          • Rob says:

            Those seats aren’t refundable though, and the ‘pence per point’ rate is poor. Lots of things make no sense at that rate, eg converting Clubcard points or Heathrow Rewards points.

      • AirMax says:

        damn I was thinking of doing the million point promo

    • r* says:

      Is this an AI chatbot? 🙂 The time of the posts dont seem to allow for much sleep, its repeating the same things over and over and the posting style is overly argumentative as if its trying to get a response.

  • David says:

    Oliver for someone who says “I am not one for commenting”. You sure enjoy it.

  • Oliver says:

    Yes they are not refundable, but still a better option than paying 150k++ in points each way per person.

  • 787driver says:

    Well have just booked 2 UC reward voucher to West Coast USA,135000 points and £2080 in taxes…😳
    Got a 24 hour cooling off period so will see how it’s all priced tomorrow to see if there is any benefit-though highly doubt it….

  • Oliver says:

    I did speak to an agent on chat.

    “It will work in a similar way to cash tickets. It’s a stepladder, with the most discounted tickets at the bottom and most expensive at the top. When we’ve sold all the discounted seats the price will go up a level. The more availability there is, the less points you would need. Depending on route and time of year, some flights will sell out faster than others.
    350,000 points is the most it could be. To guarantee the best points price would advise you to book early”.

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