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Virgin Flying Club dynamic pricing in Upper Class: our analysis (Part 1)

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It’s just over a week since Virgin Flying Club moved to dynamic pricing on Virgin Points redemptions.

Now that the transition has had time to bed in, we thought we’d take a look at how redemption pricing has changed for Virgin Atlantic flights.

To give credit where it is due, Virgin Flying Club has built a very handy tool for finding Saver pricing. Called Reward Seat Checker, you can see pricing and availability for every route month-by-month. Saver fares are meant to be marked with a red tag but the IT is buggy.

We used this tool to look at the impact of the changes on Virgin Flying Club redemptions in Upper Class.

We have assumed that you have no interest in redeeming for dynamically priced ‘any seat’ rewards and are only interested in ‘Saver’ seats which are priced at no more than the ‘old’ reward prices. ‘Dynamic’ seats in Upper Class cost up to 700,000 Virgin Points + £1,000 of taxes and charges return.

For simplicity we only looked at departures from London Heathrow.

The work was done before the rumours of the cancellation of Accra and Tel Aviv were reported. We may get some clarity on this story during Monday.

We believe this data to be correct but errors could have crept in, so please double-check what we say. ‘Dynamic pricing’ also means that what was correct last Thursday may not still be correct today.

The results, in summary

We’ll show you the data in a minute, but let me summarise it for you:

Forget Virgin Points if you want to fly Upper Class at short notice

Only four routes have ANY flights with an Upper Class Saver seat between 8th and 30th November:

  • Boston (1 day)
  • Orlando (4 days)
  • Tampa (2 days)
  • Washington DC (4 days)

This is shocking. 24 routes do not have a single Upper Class Saver seat available on any flight on any day between 8th and 30th November.

New York JFK, with multiple flights per day, doesn’t have a single Upper Class Saver seat on any day between 8th and 30th November 2024.

For Upper Class, you should probably only collect Virgin Points if you want to fly to:

  • Accra
  • New York
  • Washington
  • Bangalore
  • Boston
  • Mumbai
  • Riyadh

All other routes have NO Saver seats in Upper Class on at least 66% of dates where there is a flight.

Forget Virgin Points if you want to fly Upper Class to Canada, Dubai, the Caribbean, Maldives or South Africa

The routes below have fewer than 25 days OUT OF THE NEXT 331 DAYS where you can get an Upper Class Saver seat outbound:

  • Antigua
  • Barbados
  • Cape Town*
  • Dubai*
  • Grenada
  • Johannesburg
  • Las Vegas
  • Los Angeles
  • Male / Maldives*
  • Nassau / Bahamas*
  • St Lucia*
  • St Vincent & The Grenadines
  • Toronto*
  • Trinidad & Tobago*
  • Turks & Caicos

Routes marked with a ‘*’ do not operate all year, but it is still worrying to see fewer than 25 days with Upper Class Saver seats.

Forget Upper Class if you want to fly in August with your children on Virgin Points to these places:

The following routes have NO outbound Upper Class Saver seats, at all, in August 2025:

  • Antigua
  • Barbados
  • Grenada
  • Las Vegas
  • Los Angeles
  • St Vincent & The Grenadines
  • Toronto
  • Turks & Caicos

There are seven days or fewer in August 2025 with an Upper Class Saver seat to Miami, Montego Bay, Orlando and Tampa.

On the positive side, there are 14 Virgin Atlantic routes which have 10+ days in August 2025 with Upper Class Saver seats.

The reality is that we have sugar-coated the results above

This is because:

  • we don’t know how many Upper Class Saver seats are available on a particular date. If you are travelling with someone else and need two seats, you will have fewer options than we highlight above. If you travelling as a family, it will be even worse.
  • we are only looking at outbound flights from Heathrow. If a route only has a handful of Saver dates flying out, the chance of you finding a return flight on a suitable date is slim.

With that said, let’s move on to the data.

Where and when can you find Upper Class Saver availability?

The chart below lists all 32 Virgin Atlantic routes together with the numbers of days each month where outbound Upper Class Saver seats are available.

If you have children, you need to look at April and August to see where you could go in Upper Class during the Easter and summer school holidays. However, let me caveat that – our analysis is based on days with ONE Upper Class Saver seat. There are not necessarily two, three, four or more available.

The number of dates shown for seasonal routes is arguably inflated. There are often seats in the final days before flights cease, but passengers have no way of getting back on Virgin Atlantic. All 16 dates with Dubai availability, for example, are in March and services end on 28th March.

Cancun is excluded because seats are not bookable until later this month. The first flight is 19th October 2025.

What does the table below show?

  • We list all 32 routes alphabetically
  • Across the top are columns for the next 11 months, starting with November 2024 and ending with September 2025. Data for October 2025 is not available because of the 11 month booking window.
  • For each route we show the number of days where at least one Upper Class Saver seat is bookable FROM Heathrow
  • Our analysis only looks at OUTBOUND seats and not inbound
  • A blank space means that flights do not operate that month. A zero means that flights are operating but that no Upper Class Saver seats are available.
  • This data was correct as of 7th November. Seat numbers for November 2024 are for dates from 8th November.
NDJFMAMJJASTotal
Accra2626312925140
Antigua021001000004
Atlanta0822261911331126111
Bangalore03101521212219202518177
Barbados00001350000018
Boston182326192028309205190
Cape Town0112307
Delhi00000161716261683
Dubai00001616
Grenada000000000000
Jo’burg02002102012019
Lagos00001151717231716108
Las Vegas06111300000021
Los Angeles0048900000021
Male0000077
Miami0210121801607763
Montego Bay0456000015324
Mumbai024823222216113123165
Nassau03115
New York JFK08262828283130152914238
Orlando4214102001747372
Riyadh21271528141192
San Francisco02753200010130
Seattle071223231000012087
St Lucia0200911
St Vin / Grenadines000000000000
Tampa24232724443073101
Tel Aviv013217221662
Toronto10000012
Trinidad & Tobago01449
Turks & Caicos014400000009
Washington DC41822233128262812117222

In Part 2 tomorrow ….

In the second part of this article, published tomorrow, we will dig into the Upper Class reward seat data in more detail.


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How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards (December 2024)

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Comments (154)

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  • mits says:

    This is from virgin T&C’s from 30th October

    What if my booking value is more or less than the value of my voucher?
    If the cost is higher than the points value of your reward voucher, you can pay the difference using your VirginPoints. If lower, the voucher will be redeemed in full when you book, and the seat won’t cost you any points.

    so this means if there is seat requiring 75,000 points return, a reward voucher worth 75,000 points would mean no points needed at all.
    When I called today however, mumbai was 76,000 points one way UC, premium seat was 10,500 points and i was told I would need 11,500 points by redeeming my 75,000 reward voucher. None of this makes any sense and the agent was also all over the place explaining it all.

    • Rob says:

      This is vaguely correct.

      You CANNOT redeem your voucher directly against a ticket. You can ONLY use it to upgrade.

      You would therefore need 10,500 points (to pay for a Premium seat) but there would be nothing on top, because the difference (76,000 – 10,500) is less than your voucher.

      • NEIL says:

        So @rob, in the Mumbai example above, where does the 11,500 Points from PE come from. The Dynamic Price for PE to BOM was 10,500 Points at the time, but the Max Saver Reward Price (which i thought was what Reward Voucher pricing was based on) is 17,500 Points. In the example above, it seems neither is being used? Have i missed something?

        • Rob says:

          For a cash upgrade, yes, it should price off the max Saver price.

          For a points upgrade it allegedly prices off the actual PE price. For a direct redemption with a voucher you’d pay the actual PE cost plus the difference (if any) between UC and PE after deducting the voucher value.

          No-one has given me a straight answer though and the call centre is quoting different things to different people.

          • Mitesh says:

            It’s a complete farce IMO. If they don’t understand how to work it how are we supposed to? I hope they are reading HFP. It’s just too complicated and a mess. I think we all want simplicity. I have wasted too much time to get my head around it and decided to now move on and collect Avios

  • Mark says:

    Do you have any unused vouchers from the card?

    • paul says:

      We have 1 voucher to use on the booking for Oct 2025

      Now we’re red the voucher has reduced in value as well.

      • Mark says:

        Frustrating… it’s possible that it may improve a bit closer to the time. You’d think there would be lower demand in September, it being hurricane season, whereas I’d expect Jan-Mar where there are some outbound saver seats to be in higher demand for that destination.

  • Fazzy Bear says:

    Anyone know if my recent redemption will be even possible in future years?

    I booked a trip to Orlando for next August summer holidays from LHR.

    – 4 x Upper Class for 280k points plus £2700 fees overall.

    • RobH not Rob says:

      Unlikely I would think.

    • mradey says:

      No. Can’t see any combinations of the below which would aggregate to 70k per person. Also, I can’t yet see how many redemption seats are available, so 4 may not be available at these values (or at all).

      LHR – MCO MCO – LHR
      +————+———–+——-+ +————+———–+——-+
      | date | UC points | saver | | date | UC points | saver |
      +————+———–+——-+ +————+———–+——-+
      | 2025-08-01 | 90000 | | | 2025-08-01 | 57000 | saver |
      | 2025-08-02 | 135000 | | | 2025-08-02 | 180000 | |
      | 2025-08-03 | 88000 | | | 2025-08-03 | 64000 | |
      | 2025-08-04 | 170000 | | | 2025-08-04 | 170000 | |
      | 2025-08-05 | 155000 | | | 2025-08-05 | 130000 | |
      | 2025-08-06 | 74000 | | | 2025-08-06 | 57500 | saver |
      | 2025-08-07 | 165000 | | | 2025-08-07 | 350000 | |
      | 2025-08-08 | 160000 | | | 2025-08-08 | 68000 | |
      | 2025-08-09 | 165000 | | | 2025-08-09 | 170000 | |
      | 2025-08-10 | 70000 | | | 2025-08-10 | 51000 | saver |
      | 2025-08-11 | 150000 | | | 2025-08-11 | 170000 | |
      | 2025-08-12 | 120000 | | | 2025-08-12 | 130000 | |
      | 2025-08-13 | 76000 | | | 2025-08-13 | 35000 | saver |
      | 2025-08-14 | 105000 | | | 2025-08-14 | 115000 | |
      | 2025-08-15 | 88000 | | | 2025-08-15 | 78000 | |
      | 2025-08-16 | 115000 | | | 2025-08-16 | 145000 | |

      Continued on next post. Some limit prevents me posting the entire month.

      • mradey says:

        For some reason the formatting tags which work in other parts of the forum do not work here. I’ll complete my post but will have to come up with a different method to display data henceforth.

        The remainder of August 2025 LHR MCO:

        | 2025-08-17 | 57500 | saver | | 2025-08-17 | 76000 | |
        | 2025-08-18 | 110000 | | | 2025-08-18 | 115000 | |
        | 2025-08-19 | 100000 | | | 2025-08-19 | 115000 | |
        | 2025-08-20 | 35000 | saver | | 2025-08-20 | 68000 | |
        | 2025-08-21 | 88000 | | | 2025-08-21 | 130000 | |
        | 2025-08-22 | 56000 | saver | | 2025-08-22 | 115000 | |
        | 2025-08-23 | 96000 | | | 2025-08-23 | 150000 | |
        | 2025-08-24 | 39000 | saver | | 2025-08-24 | 62000 | |
        | 2025-08-25 | 125000 | | | 2025-08-25 | 115000 | |
        | 2025-08-26 | 82000 | | | 2025-08-26 | 120000 | |
        | 2025-08-27 | 35000 | saver | | 2025-08-27 | 90000 | |
        | 2025-08-28 | 84000 | | | 2025-08-28 | 155000 | |
        | 2025-08-29 | 57500 | saver | | 2025-08-29 | 115000 | |
        | 2025-08-30 | 110000 | | | 2025-08-30 | 145000 | |
        | 2025-08-31 | 57500 | saver | | 2025-08-31 | 120000 | |
        +————+———–+——-+ +————+———–+——-+

    • Lady London says:

      Yes…. in the new Virgin award ticket pricing system it will work perfectly. Maybe for 1 ticket only though.

  • Throwawayname says:

    You can’t make this up, they’ve just closed all ACC bookings!

    • mradey says:

      They were in the process over the weekend – Sunday no flights available for all dates.

      • Throwawayname says:

        I thought it was just being pushed back a few weeks. I’d been hoping to use an upgrade voucher for an African trip next year, will probably end up using *A miles on Ethiopian and probably travelling to an entirely different country too.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Wasn’t there an article saying it’s cancelled and the return to Tel Aviv “pushed back”

  • khatl says:

    This analysis is really pointless (ahem) without looking at return flights. For example, if the month outbound is wide open with saver rewards at 6k economy and 29k upper, but the return has zero and is 200k+ for anything, then the majority of folks wanting a return on Virgin are out of luck

    • Rob says:

      Simplicity wins with these things.

      • Dan says:

        You can also book another airlines?

      • paul says:

        Simplicity doesn’t win if it has no use in the real world

        Agree that only focussing on one way is pointless when 99% wants to return.

        Simplicity is just less work.

        • babyg_wc says:

          one ways work well (since the reward fees dropped)… i booked Iberia to LAX, and virgin back….

  • degsy says:

    Having now sat down for an hour or so and used the Seat Checker tool to work a few routes through, it seems all’s not lost. At least not for those bound by school holidays. There are some bargains to be had, certainly in E & PE, and the odd one in UC.
    Seems the key is being very very flexible and/or prepared to compromise. And also being prepared to sit down and invest some time with your calendar working it through and finding something that works.
    All part of the hobby….

  • r* says:

    If flying club is only useful for economy bookings, Id guess its probable that the market that it will attract is probably economy passengers.

    We will know how much of a failure its been by how quickly a discount promo appears.

  • Ever says:

    I’ve found the search came back with completely different results when on the app and direct on the websites (280000 points vs 90000). Why?

    • RonnieB says:

      Yeh the reward seat checker seems hopeless, I got excited when it showed Upper for 29000 just to find on the booking page it was 350000. Total shambles

      • Rob says:

        Wonder if this linked to the fact that reward seats, in places, are requiring a Saturday night stay to get the lowest price. If you do the same search for a return flight wiht a 7-day stay does a 29,000 points seat appear?

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