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Heathrow unveils its three-runway masterplan – what does £49 billion get you?

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Today, Heathrow (re-)submits its proposed masterplan for the third runway to the Government.

As everyone will know, this has been an on-again off-again saga for …. well, decades. Most recently, expansion was approved by the House of Commons in 2018, only to be snarled up in court battles through 2019 and early 2020.

In December 2020, the Supreme Court gave a final ruling allowing Heathrow to proceed …. but with unfortunate timing, as the aviation industry was still reeling from covid and forecasts for future passenger numbers all over the shop.

Heathrow unveils its three-runway masterplan
Heathrow, when the hamlet of Heath Row still existed

However, as the past few years have shown, demand for air travel continues to surge. Heathrow says it is on track for a record 84m passengers this year which will set a new record.

When Thomas Woldbye took over as CEO of Heathrow in October 2023 it gave the airport the opportunity to re-evaluate its proposals and ensure they made sense for the new operating environment.

With passenger demand seemingly there, Woldbye hinted in January that he needed Government support to proceed, saying that “We are the tactical executors on the plan but transportation strategy is a government issue.” Fortunately, Rachel Reeves was happy to comply and backed the plans.

So, we are back to where we started: the Government backs a third runway as a ‘Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project’ and Heathrow is ready to submit its plans. Note that this is separate to the £10bn, five-year funding settlement Heathrow is currently negotiating with the Civil Aviation Authority which does not cover any work on a new runway.

Here’s what Heathrow’s proposal looks like. It can be split into three parts, all three of which combine to allow the airport to grow to 150m passengers annually (a 78% increase) and contribute 0.43% to GDP growth.

Heathrow unveils its three-runway masterplan

The third runway – £21 billion

As before, Heathrow believes the best option for increasing capacity at the airport is the construction of a 3,500-metre long runway to the north west of the existing airport.

This is largely where Bath Road currently sits and crossing the M25 to the West. It suggests this would be operational “within a decade.” It’s hard to see anyone taking this timeline seriously and arguably it undermines the proposal.

According to Heathrow, the price tag is “the same as the 2014 investment of £14bn when adjusted for construction inflation in today’s prices.”

What are the benefits? A new 3,500-metre long runway would unlock up to 276,000 new flights annually (an average of just over 750 per day), taking total airport movements from 480,000 today to 756,000.

It is the only way of increasing the number of flights that can operate from the airport, with existing runways already operating at maximum efficiency.

There is no mention of where these flights would come from, but realistically a large percentage will be airlines moving from Gatwick and City. There is a discussion to be had about whether what is good for Heathrow (getting airlines to move across from Gatwick, potentially putting its future at risk) is also good for the wider UK.

Heathrow’s third runway proposal

Heathrow says it is open to considering a shorter runway “but the case must be made on how it can deliver the same operation, community and economy benefits as a full length runway.”

A counter-proposal by hotel tycoon Surinder Arora (owner of many of the airport hotels, and indeed some key pieces of land around Heathrow) for a 2,800-metre runway was announced yesterday for “under” £25 billion.

Arora’s Heathrow West proposal

A shorter runway might avoid some of the expensive construction costs as a result of overbuilding the M25, which would require realignment and widening this major road – without closing it – between Junctions 14 and 15.

Studying Arora’s proposal – which he calls Heathrow West – it’s clear that the shorter runway is inadequately served by taxiways, forcing flights on a long trundle around the western perimeter of the airport, adding to taxi-time and increasing congestion across the airfield.

Heathrow says a shorter runway would not necessarily be cheaper. Re-aligning it further to the east would require the airport to purchase an additional 1,300 residential properties with associated compensation costs.

The current plans require ‘just’ 750-odd houses to be purchased at ‘unblighted’ market value + 25% plus stamp duty and other moving costs. It says it would also increase noise for communities to the East of the airport.

The airport also notes that only Heathrow’s Northwest Runway proposal is backed by the Airports Commission and Government, and has survived years of legal challenges. Redesigning the third runway would incur risk of (almost certain) judicial review.

New terminals and airport stands – £12 billion

To accommodate all the additional flights that will be unlocked via a third runway, Heathrow needs to expand its passenger infrastructure. It is proposing to do so via two new terminals, provisionally named T5XW and T5XN. As the names suggest, these would be to the West and North of the existing Terminal 5 building.

The new Terminal to the West of T5 would act as the main arrivals and departures hub, connecting to the new Northerly Terminal underneath the airfield via (I presume) an air train.

At this stage, the number of new gates is not finalised (and would depend on the ratio of small and large gates for short and long haul aircraft) but looking at the diagrams this would at least double the 53 gates T5 currently has.

Heathrow unveils its three-runway masterplan

Demolishing, expanding and modernising existing terminals – £15 billion

Plans are already in place to modernise and rationalise the Heathrow Central area, which currently comprises Terminals 2 & 3 and the derelict Terminal 1, which closed in 2015. This would be delivered “in a two runway masterplan regardless of (runway) expansion.”

As I have written before, this involves demolishing Terminal 1 once T2’s new baggage system is in place and extending the main Terminal 2 building to the north. Terminal 3, the oldest of Heathrow’s terminals, would be demolished, with the exception of the four A380 gates in the 2006-era Pier 6.

Two new satellite terminals would be built: T2C to the East of T2B and T2D to the West, where Terminal 3 now stands. A new extended Pier 6 would also be sandwiched between T2A and T2D, as well as a row of remote stands to the West of T2D.

Again, the final number of gates is not confirmed but it seems T2 would at least double in size, which it would need to to absorb T3’s existing 28 gates.

The earliest much of this can happen is 2029/30. This is when T2’s new baggage system – which is being assembled in an underground bunker between the main terminal building and the satellite building – is projected to be completed.

I suppose it’s possible that work on the T2C satellite terminal could start before then, but given current timelines this seems unlikely. Terminal 2 will have to be extended before Terminal 3 is demolished in order to maintain the airport’s existing capacity. Only later will the Western section of the Central Terminal area be able to be redeveloped.

Heathrow unveils its three-runway masterplan

What happens next?

At £49bn, these plans are not as expensive as were speculated, with talk of costs spiralling into the £60bn range.

That said, given that Heathrow is guaranteed a healthy return on its spending by the CAA, which sets the fees charged to airlines, it is difficult to see any incentive to keep costs down.

Some of these projects – such as the £15bn expansion and modernisation of Terminal 2 – need to happen regardless of whether a third runway is ever built, given the state of Terminal 3. Even Virgin Atlantic – often a critic of Heathrow’s plans – is clamouring for a new home for the airline.

To put that into context, the third runway and the associated new terminals near T5 account for £33bn – or two thirds – of the overall masterplan.

Government ministers will now need to consider the proposal and inform Heathrow how it wants to proceed. Heathrow can then apply for a Development Consent Order.

Heathrow says it will need “sufficient comfort that the necessary policy changes (on airspace modernisation, planning reform and regulation) will be implemented before …. taking this proposal forward to a full planning application.”

It expects to hear back from Government after the summer. “Timing is crucial if it is to achieve the Government’s schedule of DCO approval by 2029.”

Even if approved, there will be further long discussions over who should pay. The Arora plan, and the model favoured by the airlines, is for the airport to be broken up and the extension and new capacity ring-fenced. New entrants would pay for the cost of the third runway, whilst the legacy carriers are shielded.

No-one is offering to fully fund the £10 billion contribution requested by TfL as a contribution towards the necessary rail and road links.

Comments (189)

  • George K says:

    Small typo, I think: *T2C* to the east of T2B will be built, not T5C (which lies to the west and of course is already built)

    I find it very difficult to back any of the designs that are being put forward. They all feel half-baked, and scream of what will undoubtedly be yet another overpromised but underdelivered project. I was also rather hoping a new CEO would end Heathrow’s constant whinging attitude, and finally recognise that this has been a chronically mismanaged airport first, before shaking his tin cup asking for more. The lack of accountability displayed during the power cut was, in my estimation, a bad preview of things to come.

    • VinZ says:

      Two typos, in fact. It should be *T2C and *T2D.

      Two new satellite terminals would be built: T5C to the East of T2B and T5D to the West, where Terminal 3 now stands.

      I wish they invested this money into improving Gatwick instead. The good news is even this proposal will be challenged in court and will never see the light of day.

      • JDB says:

        @VinZ – when you say you wish ‘they’ would invest this money into Gatwick instead, who is they? The Heathrow/HAL proposal is privately funded by the owners of the airport; the company used to own Gatwick as well but were obliged to divest, so won’t be investing there. Gatwick has its own plans anyway.

    • Rhys says:

      Thanks for the catch – was muscle memory!

    • JDB says:

      @George K – have you actually read the Kelly report re the power outage before providing your “estimation”? You may find it quite enlightening.

      As both proposals have only been put forward in the last 24 hours, it’s impressive that you have had the time to review them and determine both are “half-baked”.

      What do you say is “chronically mismanaged” about Heathrow, or is that too further un-evidenced blanket criticism?

      • George K says:

        Yes, I have.

        The Heathrow proposal is almost identical to the one put forward three months ago in terms of headline features. I sincerely hoped Heathrow would have taken the time to put more meat on the bone, so to speak, but they just doubled-down on what was there to begin with. I don’t mind telling you that I find the Arora proposal more credible than Heathrow’s. But still, half-baked.

        Heathrow is a mismanaged airport. That’s a fact. It has, time and time again, implemented unnecessary and expensive features purely because it knows it’ll get the money back if it masquerades it as ‘investment’. That leads to chronic mismanagement, and, to be frank, who can blame them? If you knew you could do something like this and not have to spend a penny of your own money, you’d be hooked! It also doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Heathrow just does a poor job in making the airport run with the resources it has already.

  • James W says:

    I think the alternative scheme should be considered. It makes more sense than the disastrous M25 mess that has been suggested

    • masaccio says:

      Do all these horrendous compromises not just suggest that Heathrow has reached its credible peak size and that a new location for London’s primary airport should be found?

      • JDB says:

        Probably, but try finding any vaguely realistic or deliverable alternative location.

        • Greenpen says:

          Didn’t Boris want to build a new airport on an uninhabited island in Essex/Keny?

          • Bagoly says:

            Way pre-Boris, originally suggested in 1943!
            Maplin was the sensible suggestion in the 1970s, which nearly happened.
            Killed by the RSPB.

          • masaccio says:

            I did contemplate adding “Maybe Boris was right about Heathrow” when I wrote my comment, but there was a little bit of sick in my mouth and I deleted that bit.

          • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

            Boris was anti LHR expansion unit he became to Tory candidate for Uxbridge…

      • Bagoly says:

        The biggest problem with Heathrow is that it operates far too close to maximum capacity, so small issues quickly turn into major delays.
        One of the original prompts for a third runway was to relieve this.
        That means increasing flights by much less than 50%.
        The fact that these proposals do involve such an increase does indeed suggest that a more fundamental rethink is appropriate.

        • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

          Indeed so no flexibility when things go wrong.

          Total flight movements should be restricted so that only something like 80% of capacity is used with the remainder offering thr flexibility it needs to recover from issues.

        • Dubious says:

          Yes it the mantra of sweating an asset to squeeze as much revenue out of it as possible.
          Not wrong in itself, but everything has a cost, and in the case of Heathrow that includes flexibility.

          They could consider allowing night flights from the new runway during some days of the week. That could improve the level of connectivity too, but many airports in Europe have similar night restrictions.

      • Will says:

        Yes agreed, surely it’s develop Gatwick and stick in a high speed train link between Heathrow and Gatwick.

        If we had our head screwed on we’d have an airport at Filton and would be linking that up too.

        There’s a value in redundancy and being able to divert flights without it causing absolute chaos.

        Like many though, I’m close to giving up on the UK as being able to make any sensible plans for the future that consider the needs of society rather than profits of individuals.

        • JDB says:

          @Will – isn’t it more that we tolerate the objections of tiny minorities allowing endless legal challenges rather than considering the greater good. That concept has some merits but we take it too far and hamper the whole country for all the wrong reasons.

    • BBbetter says:

      Ok, Arora.

  • Jumpers says:

    Has the option of extending the opening hours of the airport been considered? And then adequate compensation given to local residents? That would increase capacity significantly

    • Rhys says:

      Politically unviable I suspect.

    • Charlie says:

      Exactly. As could other regulations, such as requiring a minimum number of seats per slot (for example, at an extreme, running five 787s to Edinburgh each day instead of ten A319/20/21s). There is plenty of space at Heathrow to build extra terminal capacity within its perimeters to facilitate this. For example, after the planned T5/T2 expansion, a bulldozer could be put to T4 to create extra terminal capacity. I appreciate that goes against the hub and spoke model to a certain extent, but when airlines themselves are moving towards point-to-point, and also choosing smaller aircraft for long haul operations (A380 anyone or would you like an A321?) it is time to say no to Heathrow land area expansion.

      • JDB says:

        @Charlie – the number of seats per slot is sort of self regulating as described in the Heathrow expansion plan published earlier in July. Passenger numbers have grown with the same number of movements (and not just with higher load factors) which are capped.

        • Charlie says:

          It is not self-regulating at all!!! Create a level-playing field by banning all narrow-body aircraft. You could increase passenger numbers with fewer aircraft movements, and a move towards 24 hour operations would increase those movements, and passenger numbers, even more. Furthermore, as highlighted in another article today, Qatar increasing flights to Doha (using wide-bodies – a good thing) but removing flights from Gatwick to do so, the case for a third runway diminishes if all it is going to do is take passengers away from from LCY or LGW. At the moment, we have the worst elements of alleged ‘competition’ and poor regulation at play. Why don’t we just build ten airports around London and see which one is the best over time?!?! Exactly.

          • Rhys says:

            But people don’t want that. See New York – BA doesn’t put its largest aircraft on London-New York. Instead, it puts on 10+ flights a day to give people choice of departure.

            And from a noise perspective, a widebody is louder than a narrowbody, so it’s not exactly a slam-dunk in that regard, either.

          • JDB says:

            Gatwick will always be second eleven. BA has tried incredibly hard to make it better – remember ‘the hub without the hubbub’ ? It will however, remain a bucket and spade airport with some price sensitive long haul flights and some good routes from carriers waiting to get into Heathrow.

          • Charlie says:

            I accept both of those comments completely, and I am a proponent of competition and of the need to both increase passenger numbers and aircraft movements at Heathrow. But both of the issues you mention are solved by better regulation and better government policy. Moving towards 24 hour operations is easily viable, and the noise issue could be reduced by re-working flight paths. Even if it can’t, then so what?! The majority of people that are affected by noise near Heathrow have become residents long after Heathrow became a major world airport. Did they expect it to be a beacon of tranquility? I also agree about Gatwick being second eleven. But that is only a consequence of the status quo. Also, Rhys, if people in 1908 wanted a red Model T they would have been out of luck (well, they wouldn’t actually, as several colours other than black were available, but hopefully you get the gist of my point!).

          • JDB says:

            @Charlie – 24 hour operation would be transformative but, as Rhys says, just isn’t politically deliverable. The movement cap/limited hours is very inefficient and creates higher cost, but the political expediency of a massive entirely privately funded infrastructure project is rather more attractive than trying to ram through more flights which the residents will get anyway.

          • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

            If you ban narrow bodies then you are kicking out a number of airlines that use them

            That reduces competition and eliminates a number of markets served by the airport.

          • FlyingTayto says:

            Banning narrow-body airplanes also would hamper connectivity from other parts of the UK, with 7 (at least?) UK airports no longer feeding directly into LHR for connecting flights.

          • Charlie says:

            Banning narrow bodies at LHR would not kick out airlines or hamper connectivity, and arguably increase both. If you were to send five 787s to EDI per day, and three to NCL, for example, you would maintain a similar number of passengers in about half the number of LHR slots. The same goes for any short haul destination that has more than one slot pair per day (for example, FRA, AMS, VIE, BUD, PRA etc.). By applying to all airlines at LHR it creates a level playing field. I am taking an extreme here – but the gist of the argument is what I am getting at. You could probably double the number of passengers going through LHR by setting a floor level of number passengers per aircraft with current slot pairs. If you reduce the number of movements – because LHR is at capacity in terms of movements – then you can still have more passengers with fewer movements, thereby increasing redundancy. Do that first – of course, building new terminals and infrastructure, and see where the chips fall with regards to LGW. Then return to the issue in a couple of decades with regards to a third runway. Which is how long it will take to approve one anyway!!!

    • Lady London says:

      Bad enough living in Kew and hearing the lumbering old engines of the extra flights which are already still allowed every night, to come in to land at Heathrow at times like 04.00am. Civilised countries limit airport hours.

  • Ryan says:

    There appears to be a huge increase in the number of remote stands / spaces with no terminal building.

    Will this mean we should expect an increase in the % of having to take a bus to the plane?

    • Rhys says:

      Yes, I’m not entirely sure either. The stands to the west of the proposed T2D look like the could accommodate a terminal building – T2E? – at a later date.

      • insider says:

        I think the remote stands help with the efficiency overall. For example, in the morning, when BA has a lot of aircraft parked, you can park them near a terminal building (rather than the MTX base) and when the first flight on-stand leaves, you just push the aircraft from the remote stand to the pier stand.

        Also If a longhaul flight comes in and won’t be used again for 5 hours or so, you can push it to a remote stand to free up another on-pier stand

      • Stuart says:

        I always thought the plan was for T5D and that the T5 shuttle trains had the tunnels ready to go for it

  • patrick c says:

    You will get a climate catastrophe, a noise nightmare and ever more insane fine dust pollution accross london.
    Humanity just never learns anything until natire collapses. Given our gkobak lifestyle, this is likely to happen well before this runway will be tjere, so it will be a white elephant.
    That is for the financial part of the project which has a negative NPV.

    Generally london has no real need for more airports, and the plan looks dar from actionable

    • masaccio says:

      Maybe a frequent flyer forum isn’t your target audience for that rant? Oh, and really proof read before submit.

      • RussellH says:

        Surely a frequent flyer forum is EXACTLY the right place. There is no point “ranting” about frequent flyers in a renewable energy forum!
        Though I would argue that while this site certainly attracts many frequent flyers, it is, by and large a “fly better + cheaper” forum.
        It also attracts those who are interested in extracting maximum value from hotel stays.
        I for one am just an occasional flyer. It is now over a year since either of us flew anywhere and we have no forward flight bookings.
        And as someone who grew up in the vicinity of Heathrow, I sincerely hope that these expansion plans die quickly.

    • Pat says:

      What’s the point of the Climate Change Committee if it’s just ignored? There’s a legal requirement to get to net zero by 2050 per the Climate Change Act. Expanding LHR is the opposite of what’s required. 2 tonnes per person per year of CO2 emissions is blasted through in hours with flights.
      Another U-Turn by Sir Keir? The climate catastrophe doesn’t matter? I thought the world was inspired by British Climate Leadership?

      • jj says:

        It’s funny how the climate lobby pick on the relatively small CO2 problem from air travel, and completely ignore bigger sources of emissions.

        Globally, data centres already create more CO2 emissions than air transport. AI is expected to double that footprint within 18 months. How many campaigners do you see boycotting Google or refusing to stream their movies on Netflix? That’s right…none. Climate campaigners seem to be driven more by class hatred than facts.

        • Rhys says:

          Or, indeed, the fashion industry, which contributes 8-10% of CO2 globally.

          • Pat says:

            Ah the “global emissions” mantra. A climate change denier talking point. Why decarbonise our aviation sector because china’s is xxx. Why turn off the coal cos China spews out xxx. A fascinating window to your mind Rhys.
            Rhys go join the mentalists outside Mr Miliband’s office and tell him how pointless everything we do is, that’s just a dumb metric and you fail to understand net zero and the Climate Change Act.
            At least we know now, you think it’s all a con.

          • Rhys says:

            Kind of you to put words in my mouth I’ve never said, Pat!

          • JDB says:

            Yes, the fashion industry is rather symptomatic of yoof hypocrisy on green issues. They buy all this throwaway cheap fashion much of it made under questionable circumstances and rush to Ikea or similar when they could buy much cheaper better quality old furniture rather than encouraging yet more trees to be cut down.

          • jj says:

            @Pat – not sure what you mean by, “A climate change denier talking point.”

            I haven’t heard any climate change deniers, least of all me. The problem is that everyone wants other people to change without changing themselves. People who love their smartphones think aviation is the problem rather than AI, while people who love to travel think that AI is the problem rather than aviation.

            I’m happy to eat organic, buy few clothes, scarcely drive, eschew air conditioning, keep my house cool in winter, refrain from using candles at home, and avoid the big, polluting tech firms. My overall carbon footprint is no worse than average, but my aviation footprint is definitely worse than average. Just let me travel without hectoring and lecturing me and I’ll do my bit for the planet in my own way. Get my back up, and I’ll stick two fingers up at you all.

        • Pat says:

          It’s not “picking on” flying it’s because most travel is entirely elective and emissions are increasing.
          If you take energy policy, thanks to de-industrialisation, UK energy consumption is down around a third since 1990. That’s right, we consume LESS electricity despite the growing population. And naturally, that reduction is consumption is assisted by a huge carbon reduction thanks to intermittent renewables.
          Use of aviation fuel however is more than doubled since 1990. In the 2019 peak, aviation was 10-12% of UK primary energy compared to 3-4% in 1990.
          All I read is more routes, more flights, more airlines, more ULH etc. it should be going in the opposite direction but it isn’t. UK energy consumption is decreased absolutely, not by clever accounting saying that per flown km CO2 emissions are down on 1990.
          And as pointed out, with AI, increased consumer demand for all things producing deadly carbons id a trend in the opposite direction of what we have seen since 1990. It’s actually a very good thing that low carbon energy is expensive meaning AI data centres are less likely on our shores.
          Last week HfP posted a completely elective trip to PER which produced 8 tonnes per pax (16 tonnes CO2e using the CCC approved radiative forcing multiplier).
          The CCC estimates by 2050 we need to consume a max of 2 tonnes per *year*.
          I’ll remind you all once more, the Climate Change Act legally compels the UK to reach net zero by 2050. This isn’t a bunch of Chris Packham types banging on, it’s the *law*, the net zero requirement was made by the Tories in 2019.

          • r* says:

            I doubt the law matters, it would just be changed. Tho Id rather have more flights than net zero tbh! 😀

        • cin4 says:

          You’re obviously not paying much attention.

        • RussellH says:

          There are two very valid reasons for addressing emissions from flying (and it is not just the CO2).
          1. Most of the emissions from flying are in the upper atmosphere where absorption of infra-red from the sun by both CO2 and H2O is much more significant.
          2. Emissions from flying are increasing significantly at a time when all CO2 emissions need to be reduced.

      • JDB says:

        Farm emissions? Perhaps you want us all to be eating vegan eggs and no beef bourguignon while pottering about unheated wattle huts in plant woven footwear but like many HfP readers we will continue to fly in premium cabins and enjoy the caviar onboard.

        The problem rabid greens have is that the public isn’t with them. While people want to do something for the planet and future generations, they aren’t willing to pay the costs, so politicians are rowing back on green policies.

        • cin4 says:

          Let’s see what this “rabid greens” characterisation looks like in ten years time when this project could potentially be underway.

          These climate change denier positions are on the wrong side of history.

      • BBbetter says:

        The net zero requirements will be gone in 4 years once Reform gets to power.

        • Throwawayname says:

          I’m not entirely unsympathetic to those who are concerned about carbon dioxide emissions, but India is the world’s most populous country and has stated a crystal clear ambition to massively increase its consumption of natural gas (I think it wants to quadruple it from 2010 to 2040).

          Anyone who thinks the expansion of electric car use or curtailment of flight movements in Europe is going to make any difference on a global scale is pissing in the wind. Anyone who is advocating for that sort of thing without calling for comprehensive sanctions against India and/or any other countries looking to emit more is completely daft at best.

          • Andrew says:

            Replacing coal power stations with gas power stations is probably the single best and easiest thing India and the world could do for the environment. Its contribution is far, far more significant than replacing gas power stations with renewables.

            The road to net zero is just that: a road. It’s pointless pretending we can jump straight to the end. It’s equally pointless pretending that societies, developed and developing, are willing to accept a worse standard of living as a result of net zero. Force them to do so and progress along that road may just grind to a halt.

      • HampshireHog says:

        The Climate Change Act was pushed through with no discussion so unsurprisingly does not have a wide base of support. The proposed third Heathrow runway has been endlessly debated.

    • redlilly says:

      It’s really tricky to take people’s comments seriously, with the sweeping, politically motivated and lazy generalisations of the “yoof of today” and “rabid greens” gets bandied around. It’s sad, belittling and demeaning of those who have different views from one another, are of a different age or demographic and just causes a growing divide and lack of respect for one another, which we really don’t need in this day and age.

      • leggyblonde says:

        Unsurprisingly, a lot of HfP readers are entitled NIMBYs who, at a guess from many of the comments, are also of an age where climate change won’t affect them too much. SKI generation in more ways than one.

  • Kowalski says:

    All this investment, predominantly to take customers away from Gatwick and London City. Is that really worth it?

    • Bagoly says:

      This highlights a conflict which will probably prevent it happening: spread out airports are generally more convenient for the local population because they can often use the one closest to them.
      The big theoretical gainer from consolidation would be the airline(s) operating a hub but as BA would have to move its HQ they are not keen.

      • Rhys says:

        Why not? BA will presumably receive market value for Waterside, plus 25% compensation. What they should then do is open offices in or around Paddington so that they can attract talent that they wouldn’t have been able to at Waterside, but maintaining convenient connections to Heathrow via Heathrow Express or the Elizabeth Line.

        • Dan Carey says:

          Ah yes, because apparently talent only exists within a 10-minute Pret radius of Soho. Imagine the horror of having to commute gasp westwards. Waterside might not be in Zone 1, but plenty of people — talented ones included — seem to survive the treacherous journey to… the depths of West London. Shocking, I know.

          • Rhys says:

            Yes, which is exactly why all the big corporates are clamouring to open offices in Hounslow, right?

            If you re-read my comment you’ll see that I didn’t say there was no talent in West London, just that more central offices would be able to attract talent that they wouldn’t have been able to at Waterside.

            If I worked at Waterside it would be a 90-minute commute each way for me. And I live in Zone 1. There’s a reason IAG Loyalty have already moved to Victoria.

        • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

          Until the HEX gets nixed and it’s only Lizzie that runs trains to the airport!

          • Rhys says:

            The sensible thing to do would be to end HEX services and instead introduce a number of Lizzy Line express services to cover calling at all stations in the core section and then non-stop/one-stop to Heathrow terminals.

    • Rich says:

      That statement simply isn’t true. Our airports are at or near capacity and demand is growing. By the time the runway capacity is increased at both LHR and LGW and the terminals built, there’ll be a need for yet more!
      And there’s little debate about what this means for fares – surely more capacity means more competition, means lower premium cabin fares and improved service?? Well one can only hope!

    • Lumma says:

      Expansion of Heathrow should come with the closure of City Airport for housing.

      • JOHN MATRIX says:

        No and it will never happen

        • Londonsteve says:

          It’s not fanciful. LCY isn’t doing all that well with the decline in the dominance of the City-CW professional services axis due to Brexit and the general reduction in business travel. Meanwhile, the runway makes it ill suited to exploit leisure passenger opportunities due to the inherent limits on the size of aircraft that can use it. The EL is a game changer for connectivity from both the City and CW to LHR. Let’s not forget LCY’s singular inability to offer a passenger lounge, reducing its appeal for premium flyers and business flyers with status, many of whom would rather save their per diem allowance by dining in the lounge, if available. The residual leisure demand currently served by LCY could be easily dispersed to STN and SOU while offering the same flyers lower fares.

          • Londonsteve says:

            Wanted to write STN and SEN.

          • John33 says:

            No one who suggests that Southampton can pick up passengers from London City should be taken seriously, ever.

  • lcylocal says:

    It’s a shame that connecting Terminal 2 to the T5 transit has been dropped. Having a fixed air side connection between all terminals except T4 would have made a huge difference for connections.

    • JDB says:

      There’s a limit as to what is financeable in one go.

    • Lady London says:

      Could be the basis of a complete re-design though.

      This design over the M25 is rubbish – seriously, it would hold the idea of any works or redevelopment on that bit of the M25 to ransom for the future. I think I read somewhere that bit of the M25 is the busiest stretch of road in Europe.

      A more radical redesign is needed. Andc£49 billion? Looks like a carefuĺly crafted headline figure to keep it below £50 biĺlion. Don’t kbow why they bothered because anyone that’s watched the manoeuvres and false promises made by Heathrow literally over decades, knows if they built this monstrosity it’ll cost over 2x that in today’s money and well over 15 years to build.

      I still remember Heathrow’a promise not to build another terminal if they could just get permission to build Terminal 4.

      I think Filton is a much better idea.

  • Peter F says:

    Excellent article Rhys – thank you, with interesting suggestions in the feedback

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