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Just though I’d share this here, don’t think there’s much to be done here. But feels extremely suspicious.
That doesn’t sound right at all, there is a 50% reduction over 4 hours on some longer routes. But 4 hours is the absolute maximum.
The five hours referenced by Wizz refers to Article 6 – Delays and is the point at which, if you were waiting at the airport, you would then be entitled to a refund if you chose not to fly. It has no relevance to the OP if they actually travelled on the flight when delay compensation kicks in at three hours for a flight of the LGW-IST distance. Wizz is playing on the fact that the UK/EC261 text makes no mention of compensation for delays as that came along later via the ECJ decision in Sturgeon.
Wizz makes no claim of ‘extraordinary circumstances’ so, if Mr. AC travelled on the flight, he should be entitled to delay compensation of £350pp.
I thought a 5 hour delay allows the passenger to abandon the journey and request a voluntary refund of all unused portions of a ticket.
A delay of over 3 hours entitles the passenger to compensation, the amount dependent on distance
(a) EUR 250 (GBP220) for all flights of 1 500 kilometres or less;
(b) EUR 400 (GBP350) for all intra-Community flights of more than 1,500 kilometres, and for all other flights between 1,500
and 3 500 kilometres;
(c) EUR 600 (GBP520) for all flights not falling under (a) or (b).LGW-IST is 2,491km so the band for delay compensation is b above ie GBP350.
A delay of under 4 hours allows the airline to reduce the compensation by 50%.
The issue you have is that the compensation for delay isn’t set out in the regulations but was created as a result of several court cases.
@JDB answered more succinctly before me
Just though I’d share this here, don’t think there’s much to be done here. But feels extremely suspicious.
Oh that one needs to go to Mr Calder, I doubt that WizzAir deliberately set out on a course of misfeasance, but it is very nice of them to confirm the delay and not claim exceptional circumstances.
Good morning. This is László from the Customer Services Despairment.
I apologise for the prior erroneous message from my colleague who has now been reassigned to our Almaty field office. In calculating your delay my colleague did not account for the two hour time difference between London Gatwick and Istanbul.
I can now categorically confirm that your flight was only delayed by 2 hours 59 minutes.
Therefore I can only offer you my best wishes as compensation.
Luv ewe
László
I’m intrigued by the rest of the email. What is that all about and what does it go on to say?
Apologies, I didn’t give enough context. Just though it’s funny.
What happened was that I had a Wizz Air flight to Istanbul and then another flight from Istanbul onwards (different airline) in 4 hours.
At Gatwick the delay showed as 2 hours initially, but when I asked a Wizz Air agent they said it would be longer (without explaining the reason). So I told them I wouldn’t travel because the connection would be too tight (they said to contact the call centre about it), and rebooked myself on a different airline (and travelled).The Wizz Air ticket was their most expensive refundable tariff (apparently not fully refundable).
FlightAware thinks the delay was 5 hour 7 minutes, but as I wasn’t on board I don’t know when the door was opened in actuality.
Full e-mail below:
Thank you for contacting Wizz Air Customer Service Department.
We are sorry to hear about the inconvenience caused by the delay in your flight. After thoroughly investigating your case, we can confirm that the delay of flight W9 5771 LGW-IST on the 2nd of August 2024 was 4 hours 59 minutes, based on the arrival at your destination airport.
According to your request we need to inform you that we are guided by the Regulation (ec) No 261/2004 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 February 2004:
passengers shall be offered by the operating air carrier:
(iii) when the delay is at least five hours, the assistance specified
in Article 8(1)(a).In this case we can only offer voluntary cancellation. In case of voluntary cancellation and if there are less than 14 days before departure or if a flight is already in the past, we use the formula:
Flight W9 5771 LGW-IST on the 2nd of August 2024
(Ticket Price + Administration Fee + Bundle price) – Seat Protection Fee.
(243.99 GBP + 8 GBP + 61.06 BP) – 90 GBP = 223.05 GBPRegarding your request, we kindly inform you that we refund 223.05 GBP to the original payment method that was used for the booking. Funds will be available within 7-10 working days. A refund was initiated on the 16th of August 2024.
Also, I have double-checked the reservation and seen that you booked tickets via a travel agency or third-party website (not directly with Wizz Air). Due to our policy, we can refund money only to the original payment method (the card has been used).
In this case, please contact your travel agency to get your money back
Upon checking your reservation YN7EQA in our system, we confirm that there was a disruption of your flight W9 5771 LGW-IST on 02.08.2024 due to an extraordinary circumstance that could not be avoided by our company. We would like to assure you that our priority is our passenger’s safety, and that is why in this type of situation, we are forced to make decisions that are not always easy, but necessary.
As this incident could not be predicted by our company, regardless of our efforts to avoid it, point (14) and Article 7 of European Regulations 261/2004 exempt the carrier from the obligation to provide compensation in case disruption of the flight was caused by an extraordinary circumstance. Therefore, we regret to inform you that no compensation is due.
I love how they see legislation as something to be “guided” rather than bound by!
@Mr.AC – from the tone of your post I sort of surmised that you might not actually have travelled on that flight so my response was couched in cautious terms. I doubted that even Wizz would be so brazen as to offer that response to a claim for delay compensation. Context is everything.
Good morning. This is László from the Customer Services Despairment.
I apologise for the prior erroneous message from my colleague who has now been reassigned to our Almaty field office. In calculating your delay my colleague did not account for the two hour time difference between London Gatwick and Istanbul.
I can now categorically confirm that your flight was only delayed by 2 hours 59 minutes.
Therefore I can only offer you my best wishes as compensation.
Luv ewe
László
How do i claim compensation for a new keyboard?
@NorthernLass – I suspect the word ‘guided’ may be a matter of unfamiliarity with language but it’s also not exactly wrong. The statute says what it says but it’s very old and definitely far from black and white so whether anyone, passenger or airline, is ‘bound’ by anything is a matter of interpretation.
This is why EC261 has been subject to over 70 higher court decisions that alter the effect/meaning of the text and most of those decisions still say that the precedents set by those judgments are subject to interpretation by local courts so still not definitive.
Some aspects like the ‘Right to Care’ bind in principle but not in quantum so that doesn’t help anyone. The courts have decided that any such costs must be “necessary, appropriate and reasonable” so an airline isn’t bound by any specific sum and that is of course intentional.
That’s the nature of civil litigation which keeps huge numbers of judges and lawyers busy.
I guess since this turned into a whole thread, might as well ask – no compensation is due in this situation, right? (I did not board the flight as it was clear the delay would be more than 2 hours, and it ended up 4:59 according to them bust most likely was over 5 hours when the doors were opened in IST)
Re: extraordinary circumstance – don’t know what the reason was, but most other flights were departing LGW normally or with slight delays as far as I could see.
I guess since this turned into a whole thread, might as well ask – no compensation is due in this situation, right? (I did not board the flight as it was clear the delay would be more than 2 hours, and it ended up 4:59 according to them bust most likely was over 5 hours when the doors were opened in IST)
Re: extraordinary circumstance – don’t know what the reason was, but most other flights were departing LGW normally or with slight delays as far as I could see.
Yes, for delay compensation and downgrade reimbursement, you need actually to have flown. Cancellation compensation is more complicated.
Re ‘extraordinary circumstances’ what other flights are doing is rarely a guide to anything. You don’t know where the issue is and there can be a significant number of weather related cancellations while dozens of other flights fly in and out of the same airport. I have no idea whether it affected your flight but the ATC situation across Central Europe/Balkans has been very tricky for some time.
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