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  • Krispy 21 posts

    Just a point up for discussion here.

    Isn’t the virgin rewards+ credit card more valuable than the BAPP Amex IF you don’t spend enough/earn enough points for a business class ticket long haul?

    I.e. realistically you’d need around 160k avios to get a business class long haul ticket to NYC. If you’re earning the companion voucher every year and want to use it for a long haul trip but don’t earn 160k avios a year then you’d be out of luck.

    However with the virgin companion voucher you can use it for a companion or upgrade on a cash booking, which in my head seems to be really useful.

    I totally understand if you are earning over 160k avios a year then the BAPP seems to make sense, but am I right in thinking if you’re not getting that level of points then it may be better to direct towards the virgin points system/VA Rewards + card?

    The Savage Squirrel 579 posts

    Correct. It could be a really useful feature for those less all-in on frequent flyer mile collection than the typical HfP reader.

    The things that badly let the Virgin voucher down are:

    1) Almost total lack of integration with Virgin website – although they show in your account as of about 1 week ago you have to phone to book. Before that the voucher was almost invisible.
    2) Even more that the above: being almost wilfully complex to the point of being almost incomprehensible to the non-frequent-flyer who is not much interested in points. You needs points-reward inventory seats to pay cash to upgrade a cash ticket; there are different rules with and without status, it’s really a 2-for-1.5 for most people, etc. Try explaining all that to someone not familiar with frequent flyer schemes in the first place.

    This article pretty much covers that issue.

    https://www.headforpoints.com/2023/06/11/virgin-atlantic-credit-card-241-upgrade-vouchers-cash-tickets/

    memesweeper 1,270 posts

    Conversely with the BA Avios ecosystem you dont need to book long haul business to find value – it’s possible to book short haul too. So a smaller Avios pot has more options in that respect. Virgin’s short haul offering via partners is much less useful for most people (although having said that I used Virgin points on AF/KLM in 2023 and will again this year).

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