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https://apple.news/AH_2B_XhkQOG2zzb5ZgrIzQ
Boarding passes and checkin will change according to ICAO, the UN body responsible for policy.
Your “digital travel credential” will be stored on your device aka phone
Wonder how this works for the x% without a smart phone? Will Ryanair and the like charge an extra £50? What about kids?!
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Sounds like they want to eliminate the “check-in” step. Ryanair, easyJet, Wizz etc already don’t have a “check-in” step.
“Digital travel credential” sounds like it’s just a BP, which can already be displayed as a 2D barcode on a device, and can therefore also be printed on a piece of paper.
They will have to get over the love airline staff (particularly in the Middle East and Africa) of paper. Even on BA at LHR, whenever I check luggage with a person, they insist on printing a paper BP even though I say I am fine using the BA app for my BP.
Airports will require many more free phone charging points if they insist on device usage.
As governments still require physical passports (and sometimes physical visas), if airlines stop physically checking passports on boarding this will lead to trouble.
@John – I think the idea is that your travel documents and ID/visa details will all be contained within the digital travel credentials. A similar system already operates on the Chinese train network which is totally paper free; your DTC is also your e-ticket.
It will probably store your ‘carbon credits’ too
Place your bets! “Digital credentials”, HS2, or Mars???
We already have these things, just not joined up. You might spend 6 months convincing your gas supplier you have moved, or are dead. A few days ago I was flagged by one of these new-fangled “people scanners” because I had something in my pocket. What was it?? My passport!
A few days ago I was flagged by one of these new-fangled “people scanners” because I had something in my pocket. What was it?? My passport!
The ones at LHR object to a clean tissue in your pocket.
Oh, and Euros! So I’ll just put my passport and all my money in a grey bin, and whist you’re screening me because I’ve got a Prince Albert someone has stolen my cash and identity!?
I was more worried the scanner couldn’t both identify my passport AND scan it for my identity.
It’s all a good idea until it’s not.
Just like walking round with a banking app that can drain your account. When my bank tried to persuade me to give up my secure key which I don’t carry round with me and use Security on APP. I asked my bank what would their response be if I was forced on street to empty my accounts. Would I be covered as with a fraud. They didn’t have a policy.
So why do they think it’s good to have your whole life and identity on me , a 100,000 a year stolen in London alone.
Just like walking round with a banking app that can drain your account. When my bank tried to persuade me to give up my secure key which I don’t carry round with me and use Security on APP. I asked my bank what would their response be if I was forced on street to empty my accounts. Would I be covered as with a fraud. They didn’t have a policy.
So why do they think it’s good to have your whole life and identity on me , a 100,000 a year stolen in London alone.
Yes most of us voluntarily have a more advanced phone already, but at the minimum, people are basically forced to spend £50 or so for a cheap (but modern) device in order to use many banks.
I’ve decided to just keep a dedicated phone at home for some banks and not have certain apps on my regular phone.
I have a dedicated computer for banking , never browse or access websites like HFP etc on that. Don’t read emails on it. Do all that on tablet or phone.
Nothing on my phone that could link to bank .
You sound excessively paranoid.
As long as there are backup systems/procedures. You need your passport at one or two touch-points during your departure. For your phone – bag check-in, security, lounge, duty-free (multiple), boarding gate… And that’s before you’ve checked HfP, Flightstats, Facebook, etc, etc. And of course if you drop your passport – no problems! 😏😏
5-10 years IMHO. By which time we’ll all have rice grain-sized chips implanted in our hands (already here)!
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
You could be the subject of fraud from the next credit card to drop through your door.
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
How are you stopping your mail from being intercepted, stolen or ‘lost’? It’s far easier to steal your identity the ‘old way’ rather than the ‘new way’.
It sounds like you don’t use Apple Pay or the like either. So your happy to voluntarily put your card into a skimming machine, or expose your card to so that some details can be caught on spy camera etc.
I’m almost fully digital and have embraced all new tech over the last 25 years and have never been hacked or had my identity stolen.
The risk is there either way, I’m not sure how you analyse which is riskier.
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
what about the 67.8mm non paranoid people who are not victims of cybercrime?
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
what about the 67.8mm non paranoid people who are not victims of cybercrime?
That number will be reducing by 200000 a year , nearly as fast a BAC status membership
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
Most people don’t get hacked but instead do the transfer themselves because they are scammed to doing so. Your computer to only do banking is obviously very secure that way but that only makes you a better target to other type of malicious attacks.
I have a dedicated computer for banking , never browse or access websites like HFP etc on that. Don’t read emails on it. Do all that on tablet or phone.
Nothing on my phone that could link to bank .
Presumably you have a different home router, separate broadband account and private DNS provider for this computer or would that be a bit over the top?
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
You sound excessively paranoid.
May be paranoid but never been hacked or identity stolen , unlike 200,000 (minimum estimate) non paranoid people in UK victims of cyber crime
How are you stopping your mail from being intercepted, stolen or ‘lost’? It’s far easier to steal your identity the ‘old way’ rather than the ‘new way’.
It sounds like you don’t use Apple Pay or the like either. So your happy to voluntarily put your card into a skimming machine, or expose your card to so that some details can be caught on spy camera etc.
I’m almost fully digital and have embraced all new tech over the last 25 years and have never been hacked or had my identity stolen.
The risk is there either way, I’m not sure how you analyse which is riskier.
Diversification not all life on one device
It’s the banks or Amex risk if my credit card gets skimmed. Can’t think of last time I used a cash machine.
Whilst some fraud comes from malwares/viruses, the overwhelming majority of consumer fraud comes from phishing, social engineering scams (push payment), password re-use across providers, etc. Having a separate computer for banking mitigates none of this fraud vectors.
2FA is your best defence against banking attacks (and knowing never to share it!). Payment via RFID/Phone (Apple / Google Pay etc.) is the best way to prevent skimming attacks. “Having your head screwed on” is the best way to prevent phishing/social engineering attacks.
There will come a time when banks will put the onus back on the customer to keep their credentials secure. My home insurance doesn’t pay out if I leave all the windows open…
I agree having head screwed on is best protection, as phishing and social engineering are the biggest sources of fraud. I had text today, your amazon order can’t be fulfilled because of technical problems, please follow this link to get refund. Oops yes I’ll do that and give my details away. Similarly too many people say to much on social media making it easy for example identity theft and nowadays sim /phone number theft , which makes 2FA from a safeguard to a liability .
However once you eliminate stupidity that you have
Malware , this is where we differ , I believe nothing is unhackable even though the banks , tech companies always say it is. The more we have on phones the more effort into hacking them, if you have all your life on phone , then your identity is vulnerable.
I completely agree that the current approach where the banks, in the end you and I pick up the bill for people’s carelessness is crazy. Except for the vulnerable we should be expected to do the equivalent of closing windows. Anyone who falls for the cold call from bank , police ….
I always think those email scammers are a bit thick though because a lot of them come from what look like someone’s personal email address. And often misspelled. And/or the logo doesn’t look quite right.
I just ignore anything I’m unsure about anyway!I always think those email scammers are a bit thick though because a lot of them come from what look like someone’s personal email address. And often misspelled. And/or the logo doesn’t look quite right.
I just ignore anything I’m unsure about anyway!They are not thick. “Obvious” clues that something is wrong dissuade the switched-on potential targets that won’t fall for their nonsense or ultimately waste their time. They are looking for people who miss these warning signs.
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