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I am going on a cruise departing SIN and ending DXB is there anyway I can open jaw a 241 (new style) voucher LHR-SIN then DXB-LHR . I fear the answer is no 🙂 Any help , experience or workarounds much appreciated.
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You need to callI don’t think the distances would work for this for an open jaw (though someone with better geography than me might disagree). You could use your voucher for the DXB sectors and get a separate flight from SIN. SIN has been really difficult to get on avios recently anyway.
LHR – SIN – 6745m
SIN – DXB – 3631m
DXB – LHR – 3398mIf I am reading this correctly
The geographic distance between your original landing airport and your new departure airport must be SHORTER than either of the two flights.So, no, as the distance back from DXB is less than the distance between SIN & DXB
https://www.headforpoints.com/2022/09/20/booking-open-jaw-redemption-flight-using-avios-points/
Have done exactly what you propose with an AMEX 241 (also a cruise) and was no problem apart from having to call. Just check availability on the flights you want first so you know exactly what’s available.
Have done exactly what you propose with an AMEX 241 (also a cruise) and was no problem apart from having to call. Just check availability on the flights you want first so you know exactly what’s available.
Nobody is debating that it is possible to book a single or double open jaw using a 241 and calling BA to book, but it is still always subject to the IATA fare construction rules and, as identified above, the proposed trip falls foul of those rules because the ‘surface’ sector SIN-DXB is a greater distance than one of the flights.
Have done exactly what you propose with an AMEX 241 (also a cruise) and was no problem apart from having to call. Just check availability on the flights you want first so you know exactly what’s available.
Nobody is debating that it is possible to book a single or double open jaw using a 241 and calling BA to book, but it is still always subject to the IATA fare construction rules and, as identified above, the proposed trip falls foul of those rules because the ‘surface’ sector SIN-DXB is a greater distance than one of the flights.
Ba can issue Avios tickets how it wants without reference to IATA constructs, after all the Exec Club is just Avios liabilities. The routing above can be booked
I’d have to double check the numbers but what you are being told is correct, the distance between start and end point must be shorter than the two flights. Only options would be backtrack to Mumbai/Delhi which would require an e-visa for India or head to Johannesburg and fly back from there. I think the India flights would be much cheaper even taking into account the visa requirement. Alternatively, you could head to India first and take the return from Dubai and arrange an onward flight from there to Singapore. If it was me I’d book the flight to Singapore and pax cash back from Dubai.
I’d read it the wrong way around. As @strickers says, the flight out could be to SIN with the 241 (if you can get the seats). One way back from DXB might be expensive for cash but you would probably be able to get an award flight if you book early (or go via DOH)
You’d then have 12 months to use the other half of your 241 if you could tailor a trip where you needed to return from a destination which fell within the open jaw rules. If you had a Barclaycard upgrade voucher this could be used on the outbound.
Actually checking back the flight routing was MAN-LHR-DXB and SIN-LHR-MAN and absolutely no problem with an Amex 2 4 1. Perhaps MAN-LHR makes a difference!
MAN leg shouldn’t have affected it. Did you add the second leg separately and ask for the 50% avios back? Sounds like the CS agent who dealt with it slipped up and you were lucky!
No. Knew what flights we wanted and were available & the CS just booked it.
The whole return journey or just the inbound?
Given how difficult is to reedem on the Singapore route, I have doubts this was done that way unless possibly very last minute.
I have booked open-jaws numerous times. BA agents won’t do it unless it follows IATA rules. If it does happen the agent might have booked it as two one-ways, then returned half the Avios, but just didn’t tell you. You can’t have it on one PNR.
Could OP book the Dubai leg with an onward connection to Scotland? And skip the last leg if on HBO?
Have done exactly what you propose with an AMEX 241 (also a cruise) and was no problem apart from having to call. Just check availability on the flights you want first so you know exactly what’s available.
Nobody is debating that it is possible to book a single or double open jaw using a 241 and calling BA to book, but it is still always subject to the IATA fare construction rules and, as identified above, the proposed trip falls foul of those rules because the ‘surface’ sector SIN-DXB is a greater distance than one of the flights.
Ba can issue Avios tickets how it wants without reference to IATA constructs, after all the Exec Club is just Avios liabilities. The routing above can be booked
@e14 – this is incorrect, Avios bookings are subject to IATA fare construction rules – see BAEC Terms 15.15. The pax may have got lucky coming across an agent who doesn’t know the rules and telephone Avios bookings are a remarkably manual process, but it’s not ideal to have an invalid routing as it can get picked up later, notably if any changes are made.Yes, simply not worth it. The system might pick it up also later and just automatically cancel the whole ticket.
Do it as two one-ways or in fact if you have two 241 vouchers why not nest them in for another trip to Singapore or Dubai or elsewhere within rules.
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