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Can anyone confirm when tier points will be awarded after 1/4/25 please? On non refundable fares will the TP be awarded when you book and pay rather than after the flights are taken? Thanks.
Part of me says why on earth would you think that, but I can sort of see where the idea came from. Either way no change, you earn points for flying not booking regardless of when you pay or whether you could request a refund.
Just like all other airline and hotel schemes. Well OK with hotels you stay rather than fly, but you know what I mean.
It will be after you fly.
Even a non refundable ticket has some refundable elements such as proper government taxes and airport fees.
It’s just the airline elements that aren’t.
Part of me says why on earth would you think that, but I can sort of see where the idea came from. Either way no change, you earn points for flying not booking regardless of when you pay or whether you could request a refund.
Just like all other airline and hotel schemes. Well OK with hotels you stay rather than fly, but you know what I mean.
Thanks for confirming.
It will be after you fly.
Even a non refundable ticket has some refundable elements such as proper government taxes and airport fees.
It’s just the airline elements that aren’t.
Thanks.
It will be after you fly.
Even a non refundable ticket has some refundable elements such as proper government taxes and airport fees.
It’s just the airline elements that aren’t.
Thanks.
It’s only the non refundable part that you get teir points on. Yes I agree with everyone you won’t get them without flying. But logically, you should. However it would stretch BA IT to the limit and beyond
Yes you only earn TP on the non-refundable airline elements, which is why I said above that I could see where the idea came from. However it’s got nothing at all to do with IT. It’s always been clear that you earn from flying not booking.
Flights can obviously be cancelled by the airline and refunded, or changed by the customer and the costs amended accordingly. You cannot possibly earn TP (and potentially status) at the time of initial payment in one collection year, then retrospectively change the earnings at a later point, which could affect the status level and/or occur in the following year.
@Gatethgerry – it’s not really logical and nor is it an IT issue. BA and other airlines don’t wish to sell status without a decent proportion of flying and additionally having people buying tickets that aren’t then used would be very disruptive.
@Gatethgerry – it’s not really logical and nor is it an IT issue. BA and other airlines don’t wish to sell status without a decent proportion of flying and additionally having people buying tickets that aren’t then used would be very disruptive.
BA don’t give a damm, as long as they get the money. There is only an upside to people buying a non refundable ticket and not using it compared to buying same ticket and using it. Less weight (trivial but positive ). Less chance of denied boarding from overbooking and paying compensation to others and reroute costs. It’s not selling status it’s selling a ticket. If they cancel flight and reroute you on another airline still get status even though you don’t fly BA and it’s still classed as one of your BA metal flights.
I said it won’t happen and it’s complicated but not illogical. Only logical argument against it is if BA cancel and you take refund.
@Garethgerry Whilst I see what you’re saying that has never been how it works. When it comes to earning status there always has been, and will continue to be, a requirement/ condition that necessities you personally fly the sector(s) you booked.
Whilst it may indeed be beneficial for the reasons you gave ( less weight, fuel burn [ although for 1/2 pax that would be negligible tbh] ability to try resell the seat last minute) BA have been consistent in clearly stating that you will not earn TPs if you don’t actually fly. One of the obvious softening approaches BA could’ve taken would’ve been to allow status qualifying spend via co-brand cards and/ or estore/ partner merchants ( to a sizeable and appreciable percentile) like AA introduced and IB have just rolled out to a max of 30% of status point spend. But they haven’t as they’re obstinate in their ‘bums on seats to qualify’ approach ( Amex is undoubtedly forcing BA to deliver a more cardholder appealing offer behind the scenes as they held Delta to a few years back but it’s doubtful we’ll see anything like IBs 30 percent potential or for the criteria to be even comparable, imho).
BA DO care about members flying sectors & have demonstrated that ‘book and no show’ won’t become an earning route
Exactly that. Are there any reward schemes which pay out before you travel, stay or otherwise partake in the services, as opposed to the huge number that do not?
< One of the obvious softening approaches BA could’ve taken would’ve been to allow status qualifying spend via co-brand cards and/ or estore/ partner merchants ( to a sizeable and appreciable percentile) l
Where have you been?
This is included in the new scheme (though with a cap on how many TPs you can own from Amex spend)
And this is after the trial they had a couple of years ago.
@Garethgerry Whilst I see what you’re saying that has never been how it works. When it comes to earning status there always has been, and will continue to be, a requirement/ condition that necessities you personally fly the sector(s) you booked.
Whilst it may indeed be beneficial for the reasons you gave ( less weight, fuel burn [ although for 1/2 pax that would be negligible tbh] ability to try resell the seat last minute) BA have been consistent in clearly stating that you will not earn TPs if you don’t actually fly. One of the obvious softening approaches BA could’ve taken would’ve been to allow status qualifying spend via co-brand cards and/ or estore/ partner merchants ( to a sizeable and appreciable percentile) like AA introduced and IB have just rolled out to a max of 30% of status point spend. But they haven’t as they’re obstinate in their ‘bums on seats to qualify’ approach ( Amex is undoubtedly forcing BA to deliver a more cardholder appealing offer behind the scenes as they held Delta to a few years back but it’s doubtful we’ll see anything like IBs 30 percent potential or for the criteria to be even comparable, imho).
BA DO care about members flying sectors & have demonstrated that ‘book and no show’ won’t become an earning route
I didn’t say that’s how it was, I clearly said it wasn’t how it works.
Book and no show is non earning, I know that , never disputed that. What I dispute is the logic, of why for a non refundable ticket. .
However by giving no benefit to people cancelling non refundable flights , there is no incentive but to be a no show, why bother if no benefit to oneself. A no show benefits BA a little, but not as much as if they had the opportunity to re sell the seat. It would be in BA benefit to encourage people to cancel, rather than just no show. Even if it’s only the teir points and avios, which you have paid for.
@Garethgerry – non refundable tickets often aren’t quite as non refundable as they sound and BA doesn’t account for the full amount of revenue at purchase of such tickets.
As you identified earlier, the flight might be cancelled and thus refunded or refunded on compassionate or other exceptional reasons.
This reminds me if why I only fly BA longhaul on avios. As their flexible tickets are so expensive, and non refundable tickets are only refunded in exceptional circumstances except when legally obliged to when they cancel.
I much prefer other airlines that offer semi refundable (except for say £250-500) for a reasonable premium.
Robs 1p per avios, undervalue the flexibility of avios tickets.
Book and no show is non earning, I know that , never disputed that. What I dispute is the logic, of why for a non refundable ticket.
Ryanair generates around 1/3 revenue in ancillary revenue. Airports also generate revenue from passengers. I suspect this might be one reason BA want you to fly – probably more relevant in the good ‘ol days (that we’re still in) where I guess you could otherwise do a TP run without leaving the sofa 😉
Moving back to a world where your luggage costs more per kg than the passenger, and gets treated better 😁
Book and no show is non earning, I know that , never disputed that. What I dispute is the logic, of why for a non refundable ticket.
Ryanair generates around 1/3 revenue in ancillary revenue. Airports also generate revenue from passengers. I suspect this might be one reason BA want you to fly – probably more relevant in the good ‘ol days (that we’re still in) where I guess you could otherwise do a TP run without leaving the airport
Moving back to a world where your luggage costs more per kg than the passenger, and gets treated better 😁
It’s BA not Ryanair we are discussing. Ancillary spend is mostly before flying generates teir and avios and is again non refundableif the main ticket is non refundable. In air Ancillary spend is not that significant.
BA would make more money if people cancelled and they resold , compared to a no show
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