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  • cercwc76 54 posts

    Am I right that as long as a flight is paid by Amex card it will automatically covered by the insurance provided by Platinum card if any flight cancellation or delay occurred? Just to double check so that I can make use it to achieve the £10k spend on BAPP in next few days.

    JDB 4,384 posts

    If you read the section headed ‘Eligibility’ and just below that the definition of ‘card’ (which is different to the expression ‘account’ and ‘card account’ used elsewhere in the policy and separately defined) I don’t think you are correct.

    cercwc76 54 posts

    I did recall similar topic was raised previously, which led to my understanding to the post this morning. Unfortunately I can’t find the previous discussion anymore.

    Would love to hear other opinions on this.

    Froggee 897 posts

    @JDB – I don’t get how you get this. Do you have the same definitions I do? Sorry but holding has been removed. There is no mention to it being platinum cards and indeed seems to specify any card and all accounts.

    DEFINITIONS
    Whenever the following words or phrases appear in bold, they will have the meaning as described below:

    “£” shall mean United Kingdom pounds sterling.

    “Account” or “Card Account” means Your consumer and small business cards issued by American Express
    in the UK, excluding corporate cards and any American Express cards issued by bank partners.

    “American Express” means American Express Services Europe Limited.

    “Card” means any Card or other Account access device issued to a Cardmember (or a Supplementary Cardmember) for the purpose of accessing the Account.

    “Cardmember” means any individual who holds a valid Account.

    MonkeymaN 12 posts

    My experience is they treat it as one account. Two years ago I was able to claim the money back on Ryanair flights which were still operating, but government advice was against travel. I had paid on an Amex BA card, but claimed on Platinum insurance.

    JDB 4,384 posts

    @Froggee

    I think it is clear from the ‘eligibility’ section:-

    “ELIGIBILITY
    The benefits described in these Policy Terms and Conditions are dependent upon a Card being issued, the Card account being valid and the account balance having been paid in accordance with the Cardmember agreement at the time of any incident giving rise to a claim.
    The following benefits are dependent on use of the Card:
    • Cancelling, Postponing and Abandoning your Trip;
    • Cutting Short your Trip;
    • Travel Inconvenience;
    • Personal Belongings, Money and Travel Documents;
    • Purchase Protection;
    • Refund Protection;”

    Sections such as medical and car hire are not dependent on one of the Plat card – you are always covered. I think that by separating out the above items, and the terminology/definitions used, it’s clear you must pay on the Plat for those elements.

    The original question in this thread was re cancellation cover and I don’t see how that is covered by the Plat insurance unless you pay on the Plat card.

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    Froggee 897 posts

    @JDB – I think I get you. So the rationale is that because “the Card” is not bolded under eligibility we are to assume it means the Platinum card even though “the Card” (unbolded) is not defined anywhere?

    I can see that logic but it seems flawed to me. The preamble is the preamble but having defined “Card” as any Card used to access an Account and “Account” as any of my consumer or small business cards issued by Amex under the first supposedly excluded category it uses the bolded Card (therefore defined as per above).

    1.2 CANCELLING, POSTPONING AND ABANDONING YOUR TRIP
    For the benefits under this section to apply transport and/or accommodation must have been Purchased in full using :
    I. the Card;
    II. American Express Membership Rewards® points; or
    III. Any travel rewards programmes provided the taxes and/or surcharges have been Purchased using the
    Card.

    Sorry I cannot bold on my iPad easily but I’m sure you get my drift. My takeaway is medical, hire car etc are valid even if I use my Creation IHG card (only joking – that got cancelled) whereas for the listed categories I’d need to use an Amex.

    I don’t for a minute think I’ll persuade you but it’s amazing how two not-dumb people can come to such a different interpretation. Given this, the Ts and Cs aren’t fit for purpose as they should be readily understood by a man in the street and I am one better than a man in the street as I am a man on the internet.

    Right I’m off to shout at my children. It’s what I do best.

    JDB 4,384 posts

    @Froggee – also in the definitions you copied they make the distinction between “Account” or “Card Account” and “Card”. They are not the same – the latter refers to the Plat card and the former refers to any Amex card, per my original post.

    It seems quite an unsatisfactory policy to the extent that people are so unsure of what it does or doesn’t cover and clearly if buying air tickets with Amex, it is preferable to pay on a different Amex for more points/Avios, but if you do you lose, inter alia, the cancellation cover.

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    Froggee 897 posts

    Now I’m lost. Where does it say “Card “ is a platinum card? It says “Card” is any card used for accessing an “Account”. Depending on your perspective it’s a virtuous feedback loop or a circle of doom but I’m reading the same words as you and getting a completely different meaning.

    Given that Amex always seem to pay out do you really think they intend to limit all these things to items only billed on the platinum card?

    JDB 4,384 posts

    Now I’m lost. Where does it say “Card “ is a platinum card? It says “Card” is any card used for accessing an “Account”. Depending on your perspective it’s a virtuous feedback loop or a circle of doom but I’m reading the same words as you and getting a completely different meaning.

    Given that Amex always seem to pay out do you really think they intend to limit all these things to items only billed on the platinum card?

    Why else would those specific sections be listed under eligibility? The use of the definite article, i.e. “the card” also seems germane.

    I agree that there is some circularity in the policy wording which is not only poorly drafted but is also inconsistent with the IPID. The consensus I have previously read on here is that not all sections are covered when not using the Plat card and I certainly wouldn’t want to rely on them (ie things like cancellation) being covered without written confirmation from Amex or Axa.

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    PIL 100 posts

    I have cleared this previously with AXA via phone (they will provide a reference number for you) that if it is booked with any AMEX card, then it does not matter as long as your Plat is active during the event (for example delayed luggage or other travel disruption). That led to payment of a substantial amount when we had such an issue and the tickets were booked with a different Amex card.

    The best thing it to contact them and get confirmation via the helpline, although I am confident from personal experience that it you book a trip with any Amex card and you have the platinum, you will be covered.

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